[opensuse] Missing timezone for Canberra, Australia
Hi all, Using OpenSUSE 10.2 DVD There is no timezone for Canberra, Australia, under the clock settings of KDE. This is the capital so it would be polite to include it :) Have fun, Darren -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Darren Freeman wrote:
There is no timezone for Canberra, Australia, under the clock settings of KDE. This is the capital so it would be polite to include it :)
You don't set the timezone there, set it in Yast, System, date and time, where you will find Australian Capital Territory -Canberra -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.2 x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2007-03-02 at 00:55, Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
Darren Freeman wrote:
There is no timezone for Canberra, Australia, under the clock settings of KDE. This is the capital so it would be polite to include it :)
You don't set the timezone there, set it in Yast, System, date and time, where you will find Australian Capital Territory -Canberra
That's not really the point, is it? It's unfortunate that there are two searate lists of timezones but they aren't consistent. Also I was surprised to see the amount of work done by YaST in saving the change, from the linker cache, font settings, etc. Is this going to be made more efficient? (933MHz laptop!) One of the main reasons I got so upset with Mandrake/Mandriva and committed to migrate away was all their config tools were written in very slow Python and some of my machines took tens of minutes to make a minor change due to their slow CPUs. Have fun, Darren -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2007-03-02 at 01:13 +1100, Darren Freeman wrote:
On Fri, 2007-03-02 at 00:55, Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
Darren Freeman wrote:
There is no timezone for Canberra, Australia, under the clock settings of KDE. This is the capital so it would be polite to include it :)
You don't set the timezone there, set it in Yast, System, date and time, where you will find Australian Capital Territory -Canberra
That's not really the point, is it? It's unfortunate that there are two searate lists of timezones but they aren't consistent.
They are _not_ two seperate timezone lists. The one shown with the KDE clock is just a short list of geographic areas so you can see the approximate time in a region of the world. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2007-03-02 at 01:54, Kenneth Schneider wrote:
On Fri, 2007-03-02 at 01:13 +1100, Darren Freeman wrote:
That's not really the point, is it? It's unfortunate that there are two searate lists of timezones but they aren't consistent.
They are _not_ two seperate timezone lists. The one shown with the KDE clock is just a short list of geographic areas so you can see the approximate time in a region of the world.
The dialog clearly states: "To change the timezone, select your area from the list below" and "Current local timezone: Australia/Sydney (EST)" It doesn't look to me like it's just for viewing timezones, but rather for setting them. Does this mean that the difference between Canberra and Sydney isn't visible to other applications although it is to YaST? (They are the same timezone.) If I were to alter the timezone with this dialog, the change would be reflected system-wide right? In which case it should include the same locations as in any other configuration tool. Have fun, Darren -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2007-03-02 at 02:34 +1100, Darren Freeman wrote:
On Fri, 2007-03-02 at 01:54, Kenneth Schneider wrote:
On Fri, 2007-03-02 at 01:13 +1100, Darren Freeman wrote:
That's not really the point, is it? It's unfortunate that there are two searate lists of timezones but they aren't consistent.
They are _not_ two seperate timezone lists. The one shown with the KDE clock is just a short list of geographic areas so you can see the approximate time in a region of the world.
The dialog clearly states:
"To change the timezone, select your area from the list below"
and "Current local timezone: Australia/Sydney (EST)"
It doesn't look to me like it's just for viewing timezones, but rather for setting them.
Well it is for viewing timezones and you can select as many as you like and then scroll through them with your mouse wheel, try it. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2007-03-02 at 02:44, Kenneth Schneider wrote:
On Fri, 2007-03-02 at 02:34 +1100, Darren Freeman wrote:
On Fri, 2007-03-02 at 01:54, Kenneth Schneider wrote:
On Fri, 2007-03-02 at 01:13 +1100, Darren Freeman wrote:
That's not really the point, is it? It's unfortunate that there are two searate lists of timezones but they aren't consistent.
They are _not_ two seperate timezone lists. The one shown with the KDE clock is just a short list of geographic areas so you can see the approximate time in a region of the world.
The dialog clearly states:
"To change the timezone, select your area from the list below"
and "Current local timezone: Australia/Sydney (EST)"
It doesn't look to me like it's just for viewing timezones, but rather for setting them.
Well it is for viewing timezones and you can select as many as you like and then scroll through them with your mouse wheel, try it.
OK we were in different dialogs! I was in right-click->"Adjust Date and Time". I thikn you were in right-click->"Configure Clock". I wasn't aware of that feature, so Ta :) But see the above, now that you know which dialog I was referring to. Also I haven't worked out how to get 12hr time, which I presume is possible, maybe in locale settings. But it ought to be as easy as setting the time or timezone. Have fun, Darren -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Darren Freeman wrote:
Also I haven't worked out how to get 12hr time, which I presume is possible, maybe in locale settings. But it ought to be as easy as setting the time or timezone.
Right-click the clock. Choose "Date/Time Format..." This opens a KDE dialog with some localization settings. Click the "Time & Dates" tab. The drop-down list for "Time format" gives you 24-hour and 12-hour options. One of the more confusing things about KDE is every app seems to have multiple options for where to change the settings. Sometimes it takes a lot of clicking to find which dialog has the option you want to change. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Darren Freeman wrote:
"To change the timezone, select your area from the list below"
and "Current local timezone: Australia/Sydney (EST)"
It doesn't look to me like it's just for viewing timezones, but rather for setting them.
It is only for setting the one you want your clock to show in, it is not a system wide config, only a kde wide used for viewing for its clock and date app. IOW, if you had a user who wanted to see their time, and they were from Europe, they could see their time displayed on your computer separately from you when you log in. But obviously, the computer only has one clock. That one is setup via Yast.
Does this mean that the difference between Canberra and Sydney isn't visible to other applications although it is to YaST? (They are the same timezone.) If they are the same timezone, then what difference would that be? If I were to alter the timezone with this dialog, the change would be reflected system-wide right? wrong, see above. In which case it should include the same locations as in any other configuration tool.
It is the only one for kde. It is not in competition with any other. -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.2 x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2007-03-01 17:47, Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
Darren Freeman wrote:
"To change the timezone, select your area from the list below"
and "Current local timezone: Australia/Sydney (EST)"
It doesn't look to me like it's just for viewing timezones, but rather for setting them.
It is only for setting the one you want your clock to show in, it is not a system wide config, only a kde wide used for viewing for its clock and date app.<snip> Darren's point is actually quite simple: check the timezone package, and you will find separate listings for Australia/Canberra and Australia/Sydney. However, KDE seems to take its zone info from /opt/kde3/share/apps/kaddressbook/zone.tab, which is not the same file at the zone.tab in the timezone package -- amongst other things, Canberra is not there.
One hastens to ask, why not? Why does KDE use its own, truncated, version of the zone.tab file, instead of using the one provided by the system? -- Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo. -- HG Wells -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 02 March 2007 12:29 am, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
at the zone.tab in the timezone package -- amongst other things, Canberra is not there.
One hastens to ask, why not? Why does KDE use its own, truncated, version of the zone.tab file, instead of using the one provided by the system?
Timezones have a name and I can live with that, but what would be involved with having Capital cities added to the KDE time file. I'm in Ottawa, and have a choice of Toronto or Montreal. Could a config option be added for this so that a change could be maintained between updates? -- Collector of vintage computers http://www.ncf.ca/~ba600 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Darren Freeman wrote:
Hi all,
Using OpenSUSE 10.2 DVD
There is no timezone for Canberra, Australia, under the clock settings of KDE. This is the capital so it would be polite to include it :)
Have fun, Darren
But doesn't someone have to actually *live* there in Canniballera or wherever it is for it to be necessary to give them a time zone, or clocks for that matter? <g> Just kidding, if it's not obvious. -- Tony Alfrey tonyalfrey@earthlink.net "I'd Rather Be Sailing" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2007-03-02 at 02:25, Tony Alfrey wrote:
But doesn't someone have to actually *live* there in Canniballera or wherever it is for it to be necessary to give them a time zone, or clocks for that matter? <g>
That's a rather Zen-like question, no? Nobody technically lives in Canberra, they merely exist. On weekends we drive the 3hr to Sydney if we want to live a little :) Have fun, Darren -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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