I just read at the linux today web site about some of the features in SuSE 8.0, including KDE3. I thought KDE3 was still in beta. Is it stable and production ready or are they rushing it out the door? I haven't even upgraded to KDE 2.2. I know many people have had problems with 2.2 and the new qt library, having to downgrade qt to get good performance again. I am a big supporter of KDE and SuSE but I don't want to see something bad happen like when Red Hat shipped a custom and unstable gcc version. Regards, Keith -- LPIC-2, MSCE, N+ you may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one Got spam? Get SPASTIC http://spastic.sourceforge.net
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 13 March 2002 21:09, Keith Winston wrote:
I just read at the linux today web site about some of the features in SuSE 8.0, including KDE3. I thought KDE3 was still in beta. Is it stable and production ready or are they rushing it out the door?
I haven't even upgraded to KDE 2.2. I know many people have had problems with 2.2 and the new qt library, having to downgrade qt to get good performance again. I am a big supporter of KDE and SuSE but I don't want to see something bad happen like when Red Hat shipped a custom and unstable gcc version.
Regards, Keith
KDE 2.2.2 has always been fine for me from SuSE rpm's. And from source when i built it first off. KDE 3 is in RC2 status. Full code freeze etc... RC3 is scheduled for 18th March. The Final Release has been put back and the date will be set depending on the state of RC3. Tom - -- Famous last words: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8j8uRAEYnIVU7X9IRAnSHAJ9nRNZxhnpI+EPK1H/iGjaZrrSaQwCghjdt eZTy0WmcFDg93yXdSJtp1mA= =axm1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Tom Wesley wrote:
KDE 2.2.2 has always been fine for me from SuSE rpm's. And from source when i built it first off. KDE 3 is in RC2 status. Full code freeze etc... RC3 is scheduled for 18th March. The Final Release has been put back and the date will be set depending on the state of RC3.
Tom
Most here prolly got the same announcement, but for those who didn't it looks like SuSE 8.0 is due April 22nd.. Ken -- o _ _ _ Ken Hughes <ken@taclug.org> __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) Tacoma Linux User Group _`\<, _`\<, _>(_) (_)/<_ \_| \ _|/' \/ http://www.taclug.org (_)/(_) (_)/(_) (_) o (_) (_) (_)' _\o_
On Wednesday 13 March 2002 9:09 pm, you wrote:
I just read at the linux today web site about some of the features in SuSE 8.0, including KDE3. I thought KDE3 was still in beta. Is it stable and production ready or are they rushing it out the door?
I haven't even upgraded to KDE 2.2. I know many people have had problems with 2.2 and the new qt library, having to downgrade qt to get good performance again. I am a big supporter of KDE and SuSE but I don't want to see something bad happen like when Red Hat shipped a custom and unstable gcc version.
The KDE-2.2 problem was a small cockup by SuSE. They didn't notice that KDE was supposed to have been run against the 2.3.1 Qt library, not the 2.3.2. There was a bug in 2.3.2 which was known about, and the KDE developers recommended against its usage from the start. Once SuSE spotted the problem (not difficult given the noise that was made) they fixed the packages and the problem went away. Regarding the KDE3 inclusion in 8.0, I can't figure it out at all. KDE3 is still in testing, and judging by the number of bugs being discussed on kde-devel and kde-core-devel it's just not ready. I haven't even bothered getting a CVS snapshot to test as yet because lots of people are still reporting what appear to me to be significant problems. Breakages in Kmail, kicker's layout and konqueror's proxy handling don't sound like too much fun. Given that the SuSE's CDs must have been pressed by now, the KDE3 snapshot must have been from a little while ago. 7.0 was not, by all accounts, a great SuSE release. I've a feeling I'll be skipping 8.0 as well if KDE3 is the default KDE desktop. -- 8:42am up 8 days, 18:12, 1 user, load average: 0.11, 0.10, 0.13
On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 08:53:10AM +0000, Derek Fountain wrote:
Regarding the KDE3 inclusion in 8.0, I can't figure it out at all. KDE3 is still in testing, and judging by the number of bugs being discussed on kde-devel and kde-core-devel it's just not ready. I haven't even bothered getting a CVS snapshot to test as yet because lots of people are still reporting what appear to me to be significant problems. Breakages in Kmail, kicker's layout and konqueror's proxy handling don't sound like too much fun.
Yeah, this worries me. If SuSE just needs to crank out a new release for the revenue, I wish they would just include stable versions. I would be happy to pay to an 8.0 release with KDE 2.2.2 since there have been many upgrades and bug fixes made to other packages since 7.3 came out (evolution, apache, games, etc.). They could include KDE3 as an option and not make it the default desktop. I have purchased every SuSE box release since 6.1 and I don't want them to to become driven by marketing instead of solid technology, which is why I buy linux. I hope we are worried about nothing. Best Regards, Keith -- LPIC-2, MSCE, N+ you may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one Got spam? Get SPASTIC http://spastic.sourceforge.net
On Thursday 14 March 2002 13:07, Keith Winston wrote:
On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 08:53:10AM +0000, Derek Fountain wrote:
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Yeah, this worries me. If SuSE just needs to crank out a new release for the revenue, I wish they would just include stable versions. I would be happy to pay to an 8.0 release with KDE 2.2.2 since there have been many upgrades and bug fixes made to other packages since 7.3 came out (evolution, apache, games, etc.). They could include KDE3 as an option and not make it the default desktop.
I doubt they will make it the default, personally. If you remember 7.0 was *billed* as coming with the latest 2.4 kernel, but it wasn't the default; nonetheless, because it *could* be used with 7.0, the marketdroids made loud noises about it. I would guess that 8.0 will be released with something as close as possible to KDE 3 beta 2 as an optional install, and when the final version is released, it will be available from the FTP site. cheers, Gideon.
I doubt they will make it the default, personally. If you remember 7.0 was *billed* as coming with the latest 2.4 kernel, but it wasn't the default; nonetheless, because it *could* be used with 7.0, the marketdroids made loud noises about it.
Did you read the press release? I mentions KDE-3 seven times, including one entire section labelled "KDE 3 - The Comfort-Desktop" (which is a stupid marketeer's phrase if ever I heard one!). I hope you're right, but I suspect you aren't. -- 2:13pm up 8 days, 23:43, 1 user, load average: 0.14, 0.14, 0.07
In 7.0 they had the 2.2 beta which was optional, and the 1.1 which installed by default. I was assuming that this is how they would do it with 8.0 seeming that KDE 3.0 is still in Beta. i.e. 2.2 would install as default, but 3.0 would be easily available. Just my 2c -John : -----Original Message----- : From: Keith Winston [mailto:kwinston@twmi.rr.com] : Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 3:09 PM : To: suse-linux-e@suse.com : Subject: [SLE] SuSE 8.0 with KDE3 : : : I just read at the linux today web site about some of the features in SuSE : 8.0, including KDE3. I thought KDE3 was still in beta. Is it stable and : production ready or are they rushing it out the door? : : I haven't even upgraded to KDE 2.2. I know many people have had problems : with 2.2 and the new qt library, having to downgrade qt to get good : performance again. I am a big supporter of KDE and SuSE but I don't want : to see something bad happen like when Red Hat shipped a custom : and unstable : gcc version. : : Regards, : Keith : -- : LPIC-2, MSCE, N+ : you may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one : Got spam? Get SPASTIC http://spastic.sourceforge.net : : -- : To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com : For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com : : Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq and the : archives at http://lists.suse.com : :
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