First, sorry for the top post as this is being sent from my blackberry. Second' I think the issue is a call to one of the gnome libraries. I imagine if you upgrade gnome to 2.24 it will work. Why do I think this? Because before I had a GLX error when I upgraded to gnome 2.24 but kept compiz at 0.7.8-2 (prior to 25.1 update). I have since reverted my gnome stuff to 2.22 (and went to update back to 2.24 but now it has a ton of dependencies in the factory repo (lame, they should have a 2.24 build for 10.3, but nope.) I'll try it when I have some time Ben On 10/3/08, Rodney Baker wrote:

On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:14:07 David C. Rankin wrote:

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Ben Kevan wrote:

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Well, I think I know what is causing my issues with 0.7.8-25.1

I've installed it, killed my .emerald and .config/compiz directories

I then tried configuring it using ccsm, just to find that the GLX plugin wouldn't stay configured.

No output when launching ccsm & is delievered to the console, so I can't really give you any reason why.

This is my production machine, so I'll try to duplicate on a different box to help find the issue.

Just FYI mostly to CyberOrg

Ben

CyberOrg, Ben, Cris, aledr:

With all the issues with compiz 0.7.8, I went ahead and filed a bug report. Review my explanation and add your detail so that the developers will have a clear picture. Thanks. See:

Compiz Upgrade to 0.7.8 - Emerald Theme Broken / repos version mismatch/kSnapShot Crashes

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=431799

David,

Just checked the bug report and it has been closed as Invalid with comments from one of the developers. Not impressed - the gist of it was "don't even try it with kde 4.1.x - it is only designed to work with a clean install of 11.0"...

How does that help those of us that are still running 10.3 and have the same issues? I think I'll add a comment to that effect and see if it can be reopened...

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Rodrigo Moya wrote:

On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 06:45 -0700, Ben Kevan wrote:

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First, sorry for the top post as this is being sent from my blackberry.

Second' I think the issue is a call to one of the gnome libraries. I imagine if you upgrade gnome to 2.24 it will work.

Why do I think this? Because before I had a GLX error when I upgraded to gnome 2.24 but kept compiz at 0.7.8-2 (prior to 25.1 update).

I have since reverted my gnome stuff to 2.22 (and went to update back to 2.24 but now it has a ton of dependencies in the factory repo (lame, they should have a 2.24 build for 10.3, but nope.)

I'll try it when I have some time

the FACTORY repo in X11:Compiz is indeed being compiled against GNOME 2.24, but the 11.0 shouldn't AFAIK (right Jigish?)

Ben, It seems your suspicions may indeed by correct. How do the rest of us undo it? For 11.0, would it be possible to build compiz from .src.rpm and get around this problem? Is their a building compiz howto somewhere? I wouldn't mind trying, but it would be nice to have an idea of which packages needed to be built to eliminate the potential gnome version problem. Thanks. -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Friday 03 October 2008 10:32:32 pm you wrote:

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 9:33 PM, Rodrigo Moya wrote:

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the FACTORY repo in X11:Compiz is indeed being compiled against GNOME 2.24, but the 11.0 shouldn't AFAIK (right Jigish?)

Right, compiz for 11.0 is compiled against standard 11.0, it will not work if users have updated gnome or kde.

10.3 users should not have any issue at all. As suggested before if anyone is having problems, minimum troubleshooting you can do is:

#Check if packages are of matching versions: rpm -qa | grep compiz

#Remove old configuration rm ~/.config./compiz

Create brand new user and test compiz with that account.

If that does not work, pastebin the output of "rpm -qa | grep compiz" and "compiz-manager --replace" so someone can help instead of just saying "compiz does not work".

Ciao

-J

All that was done. Still nothing, and my GLX option kept unchecking itself. I had default version of GNOME, and 3.5.10 KDE, but the issue wasn't KDE related. I could downgrade to 3.5.9 to confirm that, but it's not worth the time IMO. Mind you, originally the 7.8 package worked until the .25-1 package was built (this is when GLX complaints came up..) i'll possibly try upgrading to XOrg 7.4 .. Ben Anyways.. I'm back on 7.4 and am runnin' fine -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

CyberOrg wrote:

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 9:33 PM, Rodrigo Moya wrote:

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the FACTORY repo in X11:Compiz is indeed being compiled against GNOME 2.24, but the 11.0 shouldn't AFAIK (right Jigish?)

Right, compiz for 11.0 is compiled against standard 11.0, it will not work if users have updated gnome or kde.

10.3 users should not have any issue at all. As suggested before if anyone is having problems, minimum troubleshooting you can do is:

#Check if packages are of matching versions: rpm -qa | grep compiz

#Remove old configuration rm ~/.config./compiz

Create brand new user and test compiz with that account.

If that does not work, pastebin the output of "rpm -qa | grep compiz" and "compiz-manager --replace" so someone can help instead of just saying "compiz does not work".

Ciao

-J

J, Here is the issue I'm having trying to rebuild from the source rpm. If I understand what you said above it will not work if either kde or gnome has been updated. Currently the build fails related to glitz. The error is: grep: /usr/lib64/libglitz.la: No such file or directory /usr/bin/sed: can't read /usr/lib64/libglitz.la: No such file or directory libtool: link: `/usr/lib64/libglitz.la' is not a valid libtool archive make[2]: *** [libsvg.la] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/packages/BUILD/compiz/compiz-0.7.8/plugins' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/packages/BUILD/compiz/compiz-0.7.8' make: *** [all] Error 2 error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.17185 (%build) I have mde 3.5.9, so I suspect that is the problem, but I do have all glitz packages installed except glitz-gnome. I'll load that and try. I also will try and throw a fresh 11.0 install on another machine and try there. Is there anything else that would prevent the build? I can also confirm the behavior that Ben is seeing, I can select options like shift-switcher and the check/selection stays for about 4 seconds and then undoes it self. Additionally, after dropping back ot 0.7.4 on my laptop, all the application-switcher thumbnails are blank/white. All the 0.7.6 machines are still 100% great! I will have a little additional time this evening. If you would like any additional testing let me know and I'm happy to help. -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Rodney Baker wrote:

On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:14:07 David C. Rankin wrote:

...

Ben Kevan wrote:

...

Well, I think I know what is causing my issues with 0.7.8-25.1

I've installed it, killed my .emerald and .config/compiz directories

I then tried configuring it using ccsm, just to find that the GLX plugin wouldn't stay configured.

No output when launching ccsm & is delievered to the console, so I can't really give you any reason why.

This is my production machine, so I'll try to duplicate on a different box to help find the issue.

Just FYI mostly to CyberOrg

Ben CyberOrg, Ben, Cris, aledr:

With all the issues with compiz 0.7.8, I went ahead and filed a bug report. Review my explanation and add your detail so that the developers will have a clear picture. Thanks. See:

Compiz Upgrade to 0.7.8 - Emerald Theme Broken / repos version mismatch/kSnapShot Crashes

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=431799

David,

Just checked the bug report and it has been closed as Invalid with comments from one of the developers. Not impressed - the gist of it was "don't even try it with kde 4.1.x - it is only designed to work with a clean install of 11.0"...

How does that help those of us that are still running 10.3 and have the same issues? I think I'll add a comment to that effect and see if it can be reopened...

It means that Novell is sending openSuSE down the drain.... -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

CyberOrg wrote:

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 8:46 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:

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https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=431799

David,

Just checked the bug report and it has been closed as Invalid with comments from one of the developers. Not impressed - the gist of it was "don't even try it with kde 4.1.x - it is only designed to work with a clean install of 11.0"...

How does that help those of us that are still running 10.3 and have the same issues? I think I'll add a comment to that effect and see if it can be reopened...

It means that Novell is sending openSuSE down the drain....

I am sorry if you missed this somewhere: X11:XGL or any other repository on openSUSE build service are totally unofficial, they are maintained by volunteers from the community giving their personal time. I am maintaining compiz there and providing support for those packages on my own time, I do not work for Novell.

I do not use 10.3, so if you want official updates please stick to the official update channels.

KDE4 that came with 11.0 is drastically different than 4.1.x so the decorator will not work unless built against the latest kde4. Building it against the latest kde4 will break the decorator for the majority of people who might still be running kde4 that came on 11.0.

Remarks like that only reflect badly on you, at least it tells me to never take you seriously again.

Kind regards

-J

Thanks J, I was under the apparent mistaken impression that download.opensuse.org problems should be addressed through bugzilla. I fail to see that translates in whether someone should never be taken seriously again, but to each his own. Where then, is the proper place to report what appears to be a complete melt-down in emerald function between 0.7.6 and 0.7.8? Surely it wouldn't be a second post to the compiz list as all that would do is draw further chastisement from you for double posting. Now let's quit throwing stones and figure out how to fix this mess. Compiz has a good thing going, but people have to be able to install it and run it for it to do any good. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Friday 03 October 2008 08:16:15 am David C. Rankin wrote:

It means that Novell is sending openSuSE down the drain....

-- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E.

Not quite, I think it means that the build service isn't being treated as it should. Things in the 11.0 should be built against 11.0 (base builds w/ updates and stuff from the "STABLE" repositories. It seems to me they built / tested on a box that had GNOME 2.24. Just speculation at this point.. but i'll test and see. Ben -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 21:25 +0930, Rodney Baker wrote:

How does that help those of us that are still running 10.3 and have the same issues? I think I'll add a comment to that effect and see if it can be reopened...

you have the same issues with what version of compiz? This 0.7.8 update is only for 11.0 and Factory, so you shouldn't be installing (or just at your own risk) 11.0 packages on a 10.3 installation -- Rodrigo Moya -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org