Re: [opensuse] 1 CD install ready to test
meister@netz00.co m To: opensuse@opensuse.org cc: 09/06/2005 08:40 Subject: Re: [opensuse] 1 CD install ready to test AM Please respond to opensuse Am Dienstag, 6. September 2005 12:36 schrieb Shriramana Sharma:
True. Single CD still has lots of attraction. Which is why I am downloading Knoppix right now for my travels. If I get a SuSE carry-with-you CD I will certainly have chosen that...
#what about SuSE-Live-CD ? #-- mdc I have used both and Knoppix has some advantages: 1) if required, you can install it on your Hard-drive. I run both Knoppix and Win/XP in my machine. When virus, disk, registry or other problems crop up, I fire up Knoppix on the machine and bingo. I don't even have to carry my CD. 2) Knoppix has a bunch of very neat tools for trouble shooting. I don't leave home without it to fix my SuSE systems when they run into trouble. 3)SuSE-Live-CD is mostly a marketing CD, not really well thought out for the purpose of such tools as Knoppix is. Mind you, it is a good thing to have when you want to show someone what their machine would look like if SuSE was installed. I am a believer that a 1_CD_Desktop from the SUPER initiative would go a long way. 4) By the way, I am a SuSE bigot and use it all over the place including our Mainframe. Knoppix is necessity. Regards, Uriel --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@opensuse.org The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. This message may be an attorney-client communication and/or work product and as such is privileged and confidential. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message.
Am Dienstag, 6. September 2005 17:58 schrieb Uriel_Carrasquilla@ncci.com:
meister@netz00.co m To: opensuse@opensuse.org cc: 09/06/2005 08:40 Subject: Re: [opensuse] 1 CD install ready to test AM Please respond to opensuse
Hi Uriel, funny header...
Am Dienstag, 6. September 2005 12:36 schrieb Shriramana Sharma:
True. Single CD still has lots of attraction. Which is why I am downloading Knoppix right now for my travels. If I get a SuSE carry-with-you CD I will certainly have chosen that...
#what about SuSE-Live-CD ?
#-- mdc
I have used both and Knoppix has some advantages: 1) if required, you can install it on your Hard-drive.
Correct me, but as I remember there was also an option to install SuSE-Live-CD on the HD.
I run both Knoppix and Win/XP in my machine. When virus, disk, registry or other problems crop up, I fire up Knoppix on the machine and bingo. I don't even have to carry my CD.
as far as I know, the MS bootloader isn't able to boot an image. So you still have to boot from CD, even if you supply a linux bootsector in a file unless you find a way to make grub or lilo booting a disk image. Even Knoppix can not boot an image, they boot an initrd and in this they mount their image via cloop. But if you use another bootloader like grub either, it doesn't matter if you boot SuSE or Knoppix.
2) Knoppix has a bunch of very neat tools for trouble shooting. I don't leave home without it to fix my SuSE systems when they run into trouble.
I think, maintaining a SuSE system that went into trouble works better if you use the SuSE installation CDs to boot and repair.
3)SuSE-Live-CD is mostly a marketing CD, not really well thought out for the purpose of such tools as Knoppix is. Mind you, it is a good thing to have when you want to show someone what their machine would look like if SuSE was installed.
I agree. A lot of usefull tools are missing on the Live-CD.
I am a believer that a 1_CD_Desktop from the SUPER initiative would go a long way.
Maybe. Earlier in this thread they discuss whether to include OpenOffice. If this is the way, they want to go, I think it will indeed be only a desktop and no system rescue/maintaince disk.
4) By the way, I am a SuSE bigot and use it all over the place including our Mainframe. Knoppix is necessity.
Hmm, SUSE has some big advantages that's right (have you ever tried to inject some pice of code in Herbert Xu's mkinitrd scripts in a Debian distro?) Knoppix is the right tool, if you have a pc runnning only windows, and you want to do some kind of network diagnosis, but not on a pc running SuSE. -- mdc
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 07:07:47PM +0200, meister@netz00.com wrote:
Correct me, but as I remember there was also an option to install SuSE-Live-CD on the HD.
I don't think so. <snip>
4) By the way, I am a SuSE bigot and use it all over the place including our Mainframe. Knoppix is necessity.
Hmm, SUSE has some big advantages that's right (have you ever tried to inject some pice of code in Herbert Xu's mkinitrd scripts in a Debian distro?) Knoppix is the right tool, if you have a pc runnning only windows, and you want to do some kind of network diagnosis, but not on a pc running SuSE.
If you want to repair stuff on your SUSe and can't get in, Knopix could do the deal. I personaly don't think SUSE or Knopix are tools I would use to have with me. I rather walk around with http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ It has knopix based distro plus a ton more. My feeling is that SUSE is a distro to be used and not a repair tool. Others do that much better, like UBCD. -- houghi http://www.opensuse.org/index.php/Making_a_DVD_from_CDs
houghi wrote:
If you want to repair stuff on your SUSe and can't get in, Knopix could do the deal.
Especially if you're in less than 100MB RAM - coz' the SuSE rescue system wont load in just 96Mb, whereas Knoppix will.
I personaly don't think SUSE or Knopix are tools I would use to have with me. I rather walk around with http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
The SuSE rescue system has up till now been all I needed. I have only recently started using Knoppix because the SuSE rescue system is too bloated. /Per Jessen, Zürich
as far as I know, the MS bootloader isn't able to boot an image. So you still have to boot from CD, even if you supply a linux bootsector in a file unless you find a way to make grub or lilo booting a disk image.
Even Knoppix can not boot an image, they boot an initrd and in this they mount their image via cloop. But if you use another bootloader like grub either, it doesn't matter if you boot SuSE or Knoppix.
aha cloop ... yeah that's right ... Mepis actually installs the entire content and not the compressed image. I quite like that concept.
2) Knoppix has a bunch of very neat tools for trouble shooting. I don't leave home without it to fix my SuSE systems when they run into trouble.
I think, maintaining a SuSE system that went into trouble works better if you use the SuSE installation CDs to boot and repair.
yeah
3)SuSE- Live- CD is mostly a marketing CD, not really well thought out for the purpose of such tools as Knoppix is. Mind you, it is a good thing to have when you want to show someone what their machine would look like if SuSE was installed.
I agree. A lot of usefull tools are missing on the Live- CD.
I am a believer that a 1_CD_Desktop from the SUPER initiative would go a long way.
Maybe. Earlier in this thread they discuss whether to include OpenOffice. If this is the way, they want to go, I think it will indeed be only a desktop and no system rescue/maintaince disk.
the small 1 CD I do is probably better suited as a rescue disc anyway. Currently both CD's have the SUSE rescue image on it and can be used to rescue. Andreas
Am Dienstag, 6. September 2005 12:36 schrieb Shriramana Sharma:
True. Single CD still has lots of attraction. Which is why I am downloading Knoppix right now for my travels. If I get a SuSE carry- with- you CD I will certainly have chosen that...
#what about SuSE- Live- CD ?
#-- mdc
I have used both and Knoppix has some advantages: 1) if required, you can install it on your Hard- drive. I run both Knoppix and Win/XP in my machine. When virus, disk, registry or other
crop up, I fire up Knoppix on the machine and bingo. I don't even have to carry my CD. 2) Knoppix has a bunch of very neat tools for trouble shooting. I don't leave home without it to fix my SuSE systems when they run into
3)SuSE- Live- CD is mostly a marketing CD, not really well thought out for the purpose of such tools as Knoppix is. Mind you, it is a good
Yes .... I would love one :D I already added this page a few days ago http://www.opensuse.org/index.php/Live_CD talking about Knoppix. All it would take is: 1.) take knoppix /etc/ 2.) Find all apps that knoppix has added to debian 3.) Create a knoppix style install for SUSE 4.) Add the apps knoppix has (hwsetup, RedHat hwdata mainly) 5.) Create cramfs image of above install and iso 6.) Test to see what scripts break 7.) fix scripts and go back to 5 Last time I did this with Yoper it took me 2 days full work to have everything working perfectly. Was too busy to consider it mainstream though, needed scripting to make usable. So if anyone would take Knoppix /etc/ and do this it and maintain it going forward. Now that would be a good experimental thing that people would love to use. problems trouble. thing to
have when you want to show someone what their machine would look like if SuSE was installed. I am a believer that a 1_CD_Desktop from the SUPER initiative would go a long way.
Well an installable 1 CD should IMHO not replace a live CD and vice versa. But maybe this could be an option for the SUPER modified iso's ... hmmmm actually quite a good idea. Have a LiveCD and not an installCD ..hmmmmm In any case I am starting to be far too busy to do this all alone. Really need some relief in quite a few areas as I don't do this fulltime at work and have a normal consulting job to do. Andreas
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