Am Sonntag, 15. November 2009 schrieb Clayton:

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Uninstall the package libflashsupport, and see then.

It's not installed.... wasn't installed by the default base install either.

Also, PulseAudio is not installed - it was not installed when I installed 11.2, and I've nto added anything Pulse related.

Worth noting... Flash does work as expected on YouTube.com, but if the same YouTube video is embedded in another webpage, or it's an embedded Flash like in the BBC News webpage I linked earlier, it just will not play... clicking the play button does nothing.

C.

Have you checked then if java is installed, and java script is allowed, on your machine ? Java Script is needed for sides like youtube... Micha -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Am Sonntag, 15. November 2009 11:34:26 schrieb Clayton:

Well... technically Java was installed.. by default I got Java OpenJDK. I removed that, and installed Java 1.6 (Sun) and embedded Flash started working again.

So... it appears that OpenJDK is basically broken for Desktop users, and that's what they get by default :-( Time to send off an email to the new users I told to try out openSUSE... tell them to remove the JavaOpenJDK and replace it with Sun Java. Sigh.

And submit a bug report, otherwise it might not be fixed/considered next time. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Am Sonntag 15 November 2009 schrieb Clayton:

Well... technically Java was installed.. by default I got Java OpenJDK. I removed that, and installed Java 1.6 (Sun) and embedded Flash started working again.

Nice to here... Have i nice weekend then Michael -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Hmmm I seem to have bumped into an odd problem with my 11.2 install (KDE4 default and Firefox).... embedded Flash will not play.  For example, this page: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8361025.stm has a small Flash video embedded in the page.  It shows the initial image as normal with "click to play", but clicking has no effect.  I've seen the same on embedded YouTube videos - but there if I right-click on the embedded video I have an option "Play in YouTube" and if I select that option, YouTube is opened in a new tab and the video plays fine.

So.. given that Flash video will actually play if I am directly in YouTube... something else is wrong, and I have no idea what.  Anyone else see this with 11.2? Or have any ideas why embedded Flash won't play in some instances?

C.

No problem playing it here (11.2, Firefox 3.5.4).

Do you have NoScript installed and running in which case have you given the 2 BBC URLs permission?

Nope, a plain vanilla install, with only AdBlockPlus as an extra in FireFox using the same ABP config from my working 11.1. C -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Hmmm I seem to have bumped into an odd problem with my 11.2 install (KDE4 default and Firefox).... embedded Flash will not play.  For example, this page: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8361025.stm has a small Flash video embedded in the page.  It shows the initial image as normal with "click to play", but clicking has no effect.  I've seen the same on embedded YouTube videos - but there if I right-click on the embedded video I have an option "Play in YouTube" and if I select that option, YouTube is opened in a new tab and the video plays fine.

So.. given that Flash video will actually play if I am directly in YouTube... something else is wrong, and I have no idea what.  Anyone else see this with 11.2? Or have any ideas why embedded Flash won't play in some instances?

No problem playing it here (11.2, Firefox 3.5.4).

Do you have NoScript installed and running in which case have you given the 2 BBC URLs permission?

Nope, a plain vanilla install, with only AdBlockPlus as an extra in FireFox using the same ABP config from my working 11.1.

Hmmmm, yet another mysterious "it doesn't work for me" :-( .

I can only say, if it would be of help, is that the 11.2 I am using is RC2 upgraded to GM via zypper; that I am using the 32-bit version of 11.2; and that I have found that some sites will not allow video to be shown in some parts of the world - for example my wife complains that one site in the US will not play a video just because we are in Australia ("Video is not available to your country" or some such :-( ).

I traced it (thanks to a hint from M.Schueller) to the fact that Java OpenJDK is installed by default (in a clean install) instead if Java Sun... the result is some things that rely on Java don't work with the OpenJDK version. I've done some digging, and this is not unique or new... it's just the OpenJDK version, and it appears that a few things simply don't work... in my opinion OpenJDK is a weak cousin to the "real" Java. Once I ripped OpenJDK Java out and installed the "real" Java, everything started working correctly. I've since contacted a couple friends who are trying out openSUSE for the first time and who had the exact same problem... they've replaced Java, and it's now working for them too. I'm guessing that on an upgrade, you already had a working Java install... and that was simply carried over into the update to 11.2. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 15/11/09 23:37, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Once I ripped OpenJDK Java out and installed the "real" Java, everything started working correctly. I've since contacted a couple friends who are trying out openSUSE for the first time and who had the exact same problem... they've replaced Java, and it's now working for them too.

Could you post a link to a non-working flash site, please? I wan't to see if "meetoo".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8361025.stm is what Clayton provided in his original post. BC -- I work to live not live to work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 16/11/09 04:00, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 11/15/2009 01:43 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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Could you post a link to a non-working flash site, please? I wan't to see if "meetoo".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8361025.stm

is what Clayton provided in his original post.

I knew it was somewhere, but couldn't find it O:-)

Anyway, that link works for me, I watched the video fine. I have:

IcedTea Java Web Browser Plugin, and Shockwave Flash 10.0 r32. However, I also have a xine plugin that says it handles flash, so I don't really know what it is using for displaying flash :-? Ah, yes, right click says "adobe flash".

minas-tirith:~ # rpm -q -a | grep -i java java-1_6_0-openjdk-1.6.0.0_b16-5.9.4.i586 timezone-java-2009p-1.1.1.noarch java-1_5_0-gcj-compat-1.5.0.0-107.109.2.i586 java-1_6_0-sun-1.6.0.u15-1.1.2.i586 java-1_6_0-openjdk-plugin-1.6.0.0_b16-5.9.4.i586

Wow. Both types of java engine... go figure.

How did you manage to score all these? :-) . I can only get: dhcppc0:~ # rpm -q -a | grep -i java java-1_6_0-openjdk-plugin-1.6.0.0_b16-5.9.4.i586 java-1_6_0-openjdk-1.6.0.0_b16-5.9.4.i586 timezone-java-2009p-1.1.1.noarch But I guess the more thing is to which java is the symlink in /usr/lib/browser-plugins pointing to? BC -- I work to live not live to work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 19/11/09 10:53, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 11/16/2009 12:52 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 16/11/09 04:00, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Wow. Both types of java engine... go figure.

How did you manage to score all these? :-) .

I can only get:

dhcppc0:~ # rpm -q -a | grep -i java java-1_6_0-openjdk-plugin-1.6.0.0_b16-5.9.4.i586 java-1_6_0-openjdk-1.6.0.0_b16-5.9.4.i586 timezone-java-2009p-1.1.1.noarch

But I guess the more thing is to which java is the symlink in /usr/lib/browser-plugins pointing to?

/usr/lib/browser-plugins/javaplugin.so -> /etc/alternatives/javaplugin* /usr/lib/browser-plugins/npwrapper.javaplugin.so*

/etc/alternatives/javaplugin -> /usr/lib/jvm/jre-1.6.0-openjdk/lib/i386/IcedTeaPlugin.so*

The symlinks are pointing to the same ver. of java as I have -- and I am not having problems with flash. The ONLY time when I may have a "hassle" is when I forget to allow the site access to java thru NoScript which I have been using since it became available as an extension in Firefox; as soon as I allow that site access in NoScript, flash works fine. BC -- I work to live not live to work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Yes, it works here too. I can't replicate the OP problem. Mind you, I don't trust much that java/javascript version, I have had problems with it previously, but not this time. I still have to try OOo with it.

I can't replicate it either, although I did see it on 2 machines/installs back when I reported it. I have to free up a computer and do a clean install to see if I can get it to happen again. It didn't happen with RC1 or RC2, but when I did clean installs of the Final from the full DVD... that's when it cropped up. I'll try again... maybe this weekend when I can pull a computer out of the loop and do a reinstall with all defaults. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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On 19/11/09 18:53, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Yes, it works here too. I can't replicate the OP problem. Mind you, I don't trust much that java/javascript version, I have had problems with it previously, but not this time. I still have to try OOo with it.

Well I used OO only yesterday and found no problems. But then I may not use it for the same reasons that you do. I did look at a Windows generated pps file which worked OK for me. What do you use OO for which may cause you problems with the version of java?

The wizzards. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2-ex-factory "Emerald" GM) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAksFUzoACgkQU92UU+smfQWiAACfcjxZZL0Bv43O8DwB7atYW8zq uCMAnA/pJ94RgdPhie0B/3rp6ZvBfMkZ =eB3J -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Well I used OO only yesterday and found no problems. But then I may not use it for the same reasons that you do. I did look at a Windows generated pps file which worked OK for me. What do you use OO for which may cause you problems with the version of java?

The wizzards.

Aha! Another Harry Potter fan :-) .

Not really. :-)

Don't know "wizzards" so have never used it.

There are a few things in OOo that need java, I don't know exactly which. Sometimes, after some packages updates, something in OOo stops working, and when I look, there is no java defined in the OOo config. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAksMTZcACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VtoACeIfLysEK5OkooVjbYpw3Zq2j0 Bi8AoJU43bUWC6j9SHYcE+NSF8xS6KHP =NV7s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

There are a few things in OOo that need java, I don't know exactly which. Sometimes, after some packages updates, something in OOo stops working, and when I look, there is no java defined in the OOo config.

To the best of my knowledge, the only thing in OOo that needs Java are the various wizards. If you install OOo without Java it should work fine.. unless you access a function that uses the wizards. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 15/11/09 23:32, Clayton wrote:

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Hmmm I seem to have bumped into an odd problem with my 11.2 install (KDE4 default and Firefox).... embedded Flash will not play. For example, this page: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8361025.stm has a small Flash video embedded in the page. It shows the initial image as normal with "click to play", but clicking has no effect. I've seen the same on embedded YouTube videos - but there if I right-click on the embedded video I have an option "Play in YouTube" and if I select that option, YouTube is opened in a new tab and the video plays fine.

So.. given that Flash video will actually play if I am directly in YouTube... something else is wrong, and I have no idea what. Anyone else see this with 11.2? Or have any ideas why embedded Flash won't play in some instances?

No problem playing it here (11.2, Firefox 3.5.4).

Do you have NoScript installed and running in which case have you given the 2 BBC URLs permission?

Nope, a plain vanilla install, with only AdBlockPlus as an extra in FireFox using the same ABP config from my working 11.1.

Hmmmm, yet another mysterious "it doesn't work for me" :-( .

I can only say, if it would be of help, is that the 11.2 I am using is RC2 upgraded to GM via zypper; that I am using the 32-bit version of 11.2; and that I have found that some sites will not allow video to be shown in some parts of the world - for example my wife complains that one site in the US will not play a video just because we are in Australia ("Video is not available to your country" or some such :-( ).

I traced it (thanks to a hint from M.Schueller) to the fact that Java OpenJDK is installed by default (in a clean install) instead if Java Sun... the result is some things that rely on Java don't work with the OpenJDK version. I've done some digging, and this is not unique or new... it's just the OpenJDK version, and it appears that a few things simply don't work... in my opinion OpenJDK is a weak cousin to the "real" Java.

Once I ripped OpenJDK Java out and installed the "real" Java, everything started working correctly. I've since contacted a couple friends who are trying out openSUSE for the first time and who had the exact same problem... they've replaced Java, and it's now working for them too.

I'm guessing that on an upgrade, you already had a working Java install... and that was simply carried over into the update to 11.2.

C.

AHA! Most interesting to know and, mainly, that the problem has been resolved. I installed a "clean" copy of 11.2 off the DVD (on another set of HDs) but haven't yet played around with it so thanks for this piece of "gatcha" to watch out for :-) . BC -- I work to live not live to work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Once I ripped OpenJDK Java out and installed the "real" Java, everything started working correctly.  I've since contacted a couple friends who are trying out openSUSE for the first time and who had the exact same problem... they've replaced Java, and it's now working for them too.

AHA! Most interesting to know and, mainly, that the problem has been resolved.

I installed a "clean" copy of 11.2 off the DVD (on another set of HDs) but haven't yet played around with it so thanks for this piece of "gatcha" to watch out for :-) .

I would call it a workaround :-) It's a problem that new users are going to stumble on and not know how to solve without the inside knowledge that OpenJDK doesn't work right. I'm OK with replacing OpenJDK with a real Java, but... honestly.. I think that the real Java should be pulled in anyway when Flash etc. are installed with the first time run on the Software Installer. I'm sure that someone somewhere has a reason for including OpenJDK instead of Sun Java (probably some dislike of the licensing thing Sun has)... but in the end if it doesn't work, it should either not be included at all, fixed (I've opened a bug report on it), or Sun Java should be pulled in with other "restricted" packages. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

...following your comments I have now looked at the installation of 11.2 I am using (not the "clean" install on the other HDs) and find that the java I have installed is java-1_6_0-openjdk and the plugin for Firefox is of the same name and not the "real" java from Sun.

Following from this, I can only say that your conclusion - in the words of one of the Penguins in the first "Madagascar" movie - "This won't fly!" :-) .

Something else has caused the problem.

I wonder if it is the symbolic link (links actually) - starting in /usr/lib/browser-plugins - to the java which may be the cause? But removing the jdk java and installing the Sun version somehow created the correct symlinks? <Shrugs shoulders>

Hmmmm... that is odd. <scratches head> I wonder what happened in the clean install that would be fixed by "reinstalling" Java (regardless of it being OpenJDK or Sun Java). Also interesting that I've "seen" this on more than one machine/install (clean installs of 11.2) today... confusing to say the least. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* Basil Chupin [11-15-09 08:24]:

...following your comments I have now looked at the installation of 11.2 I am using (not the "clean" install on the other HDs) and find that the java I have installed is java-1_6_0-openjdk and the plugin for Firefox is of the same name and not the "real" java from Sun.

Following from this, I can only say that your conclusion - in the words of one of the Penguins in the first "Madagascar" movie - "This won't fly!" :-) .

Something else has caused the problem.

I wonder if it is the symbolic link (links actually) - starting in /usr/lib/browser-plugins - to the java which may be the cause? But removing the jdk java and installing the Sun version somehow created the correct symlinks? <Shrugs shoulders>

It is not a problem having both versions of java installed, or even more and different version levels. openSUSE has provided "update-alternatives" to allow you to choose your poison. update-alternatives --config java will give you choice among the java versions installed. "real" ?? a misnomer.... -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* Basil Chupin [11-15-09 19:09]:

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It is not a problem having both versions of java installed, or even more and different version levels. openSUSE has provided "update-alternatives" to allow you to choose your poison.

update-alternatives --config java

will give you choice among the java versions installed.

"real" ?? a misnomer....

Interesting....where is this new feature explained?

new feature ??? It was in 10.1. try (a real hard one) man update-alternatives also update-alternatives --help and I have: 19:20 wahoo:~> rpm -qa |grep java timezone-java-2009p-2.2.noarch java-1_6_0-sun-alsa-1.6.0.u17-1.1.x86_64 java-1_6_0-sun-devel-1.6.0.u17-1.1.x86_64 java-1_6_0-openjdk-1.6.0.0_b16-10.4.x86_64 libdb_java-4_5-4.5.20-99.3.x86_64 java-1_6_0-sun-1.6.0.u17-1.1.x86_64 java-1_6_0-sun-plugin-1.6.0.u17-1.1.x86_64 java-1_6_0-openjdk-plugin-1.6.0.0_b16-10.4.x86_64 19:20 wahoo:~ > update-alternatives --config java There are 2 alternatives which provide java'. Selection Alternative ----------------------------------------------- * 1 /usr/lib64/jvm/jre-1.6.0-sun/bin/java + 2 /usr/lib64/jvm/jre-1.6.0-openjdk/bin/java Press enter to keep the default[*], or type selection number: -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* Basil Chupin [11-15-09 23:57]:

On 16/11/09 11:21, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

Hmmm. thanks for this....but why, then, were there mucho discussions about installing the SUN java last year and/or the year before?

update-alternatives *has* been discussed previously.

For the very first time, with 11.2, do I see in /usr/lib/browser-plugins a symlink to "update-alternatives" (which itself is a symlink)? Never saw it there before. But then my eyesight is not all that crash hot.... :-)

I don't ???? 23:59 wahoo:~ > ls -la /usr/lib/browser-plugins/ total 10084 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2009-11-13 02:00 . drwxr-xr-x 128 root root 36864 2009-11-15 19:25 .. -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 10278616 2009-11-10 22:59 libflashplayer.so lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 44 2009-11-09 11:42 nppdf.so -> ../Adobe/Reader9/Browser/intellinux/nppdf.so 23:59 wahoo:~ > ls -l `which update-alternatives` -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 23673 2009-11-10 09:28 /usr/sbin/update-alternatives but then there is always the man page, some explanation *is* there. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* Basil Chupin [11-16-09 00:47]:

On 16/11/09 16:02, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

Dunno, I am not your optician :-) .

Definitely, but why would you want to be? I know of *no* reason for a symlink to update-alternatives to be in /usr/lib/browser-plugins. Perhaps *you* need the optician

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23:59 wahoo:~ > ls -la /usr/lib/browser-plugins/ total 10084 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2009-11-13 02:00 . drwxr-xr-x 128 root root 36864 2009-11-15 19:25 .. -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 10278616 2009-11-10 22:59 libflashplayer.so lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 44 2009-11-09 11:42 nppdf.so -> ../Adobe/Reader9/Browser/intellinux/nppdf.so

23:59 wahoo:~ > ls -l `which update-alternatives` -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 23673 2009-11-10 09:28 /usr/sbin/update-alternatives

I gather from above that something like "2009-11-15" means, in real English, that it is represents "15 November 2009" - which is (to me was yesterday) :-) .

your point. That time/date would point to the last write time to /usr/lib.

Not a problem, I can see same today - but I didn't see similar last year or when I installed 11.1 (but I wasn't looking for this at that time so don't quote me on this).

What ???

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but then there is always the man page, some explanation *is* there.

But of course -- provided that you know that "update-alternatives" exists :-) .

I thought that was the topic of our conversation. Or should I completely ignore the comments and go about my business. Enlightment, bah! -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 16/11/09 04:05, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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I can only say, if it would be of help, is that the 11.2 I am using is RC2 upgraded to GM via zypper; that I am using the 32-bit version of 11.2; and that I have found that some sites will not allow video to be shown in some parts of the world - for example my wife complains that one site in the US will not play a video just because we are in Australia ("Video is not available to your country" or some such :-( ).

The trick is to use an anonymous proxy placed in the US ;-)

Mmm...well worth considering. I did try this proxy-thing some years ago but found that it only slowed me down so I gave it away. But perhaps now, now that I have a faster broadband connection. Thanks for the prompt. BC -- I work to live not live to work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org