[opensuse] VMware workstation 7 and opensuse 11.2
I have just installed VMware Workstation 7.0 in opensuse 11.2 GM 1. This is the file I use VMware-Workstation-Full-7.0.0-203739.x86_64.bundle 2. Installation was very easy. The old vmware-config.pl is gone, in v 7.0 all is done automatically. The only two interventions are to accept the license and to yes or not to Eclipse (the default is no which is what I did) 3. Then you have to reboot so the modules are loaded. You will find the entries on the K menu under /system/more 4. I open a couple of the VM that I have with vmware workstation 6.5 (XP and Gentoo and both work fine) The treo sync without problems in XP. The vmtools were updated automatically. 5. The open source vmware that was installed by default under opensuse 11.1 is not installed under opensuse 11.2 so we do not have to unsintall it. In summary I do not find problems (at least initially) with vmware workstation 64 7.0 under opensuse 11.2 -=terry=- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Montag, 16. November 2009 schrieb Teruel de Campo MD:
I have just installed VMware Workstation 7.0 in opensuse 11.2 GM [...]
In summary I do not find problems (at least initially) with vmware workstation 64 7.0 under opensuse 11.2
Did youallready try to access an USB mass storage device ( i.e na USB thump drive or USB attached harddrive ) with your guest ? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 15 November 2009 08:33:08 pm Markus Koßmann wrote:
Am Montag, 16. November 2009 schrieb Teruel de Campo MD:
I have just installed VMware Workstation 7.0 in opensuse 11.2 GM
[...]
In summary I do not find problems (at least initially) with vmware workstation 64 7.0 under opensuse 11.2
Did youallready try to access an USB mass storage device ( i.e na USB thump drive or USB attached harddrive ) with your guest ?
I did. Works fine. You get two warnings from Vmware that state: The specified device appears to be claimed by another driver (usb-storage) on the host operating system which means that the device may be in use. To continue, the device will first be disconnected from its current driver. Click yes to both, and the device is disconnected from Linux and connected to the guest. (The question is asked twice, once for the drive and once for the device and once for the partition apparently). Soon as you shut down the virtual machine Linux picks up the device again and it appears in Device Notifier again. -- If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out? - Will Rogers -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Montag, 16. November 2009 schrieb John Andersen:
On Sunday 15 November 2009 08:33:08 pm Markus Koßmann wrote:
Am Montag, 16. November 2009 schrieb Teruel de Campo MD:
I have just installed VMware Workstation 7.0 in opensuse 11.2 GM
[...]
In summary I do not find problems (at least initially) with vmware workstation 64 7.0 under opensuse 11.2
Did youallready try to access an USB mass storage device ( i.e na USB thump drive or USB attached harddrive ) with your guest ?
I did. Works fine.
You get two warnings from Vmware that state:
The specified device appears to be claimed by another driver (usb-storage) on the host operating system which means that the device may be in use. To continue, the device will first be disconnected from its current driver.
Click yes to both, and the device is disconnected from Linux and connected to the guest.
(The question is asked twice, once for the drive and once for the device and once for the partition apparently).
For me this is a little bit different. I answer the questions with yes. The device disappears from the device notifer. But immediately after that the Device Notifier comes up again with the device. In /var/log/messages I see that the device was reset. And the device is not working in the guest OS. But it is marked as connected by vmware.
Soon as you shut down the virtual machine Linux picks up the device again and it appears in Device Notifier again.
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On 11/16/2009 11:16 AM, Markus � wrote:
Am Montag, 16. November 2009 schrieb John Andersen:
On Sunday 15 November 2009 08:33:08 pm Markus Ko�mann wrote:
Am Montag, 16. November 2009 schrieb Teruel de Campo MD:
I have just installed VMware Workstation 7.0 in opensuse 11.2 GM
[...]
In summary I do not find problems (at least initially) with vmware workstation 64 7.0 under opensuse 11.2
Did youallready try to access an USB mass storage device ( i.e na USB thump drive or USB attached harddrive ) with your guest ?
I did. Works fine.
You get two warnings from Vmware that state:
The specified device appears to be claimed by another driver (usb-storage) on the host operating system which means that the device may be in use. To continue, the device will first be disconnected from its current driver.
Click yes to both, and the device is disconnected from Linux and connected to the guest.
(The question is asked twice, once for the drive and once for the device and once for the partition apparently).
For me this is a little bit different. I answer the questions with yes. The device disappears from the device notifer. But immediately after that the Device Notifier comes up again with the device. In /var/log/messages I see that the device was reset. And the device is not working in the guest OS. But it is marked as connected by vmware.
You are right, if the Virtual machine does not grab the device it will revert back to the host. This can happen if 1) the Vm was not defined with a USB device, or 2) the USB in the Guest was not defined with plug and play support or 3) there were no device drivers in the VM's OS, or 4) the Guest OS pulls a device driver right off of the device itself, installs it and then re-sets the USB bus so that the newly installed driver can find the device. This often happens with cameras and phones, etc. Also, be aware that many Apple devices, especially iPhones while installing new operating systems with iTunes, play fast and loose with the USB spec, and frequently disconnect and reset the USB bus. This will drive the host OS crazy, as it will re-attach the device each time. You essentially have to blacklist the bus from the host for the duration of the OS install to the phone. I've written scripts for this. But only need them for upgrading iPhone operating system in a VM. Not needed for normal iTunes syncing with the phone). Most of my testing of USB devices were on Linux Host, with various versions of windows as the guest. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11/16/2009 09:36 PM, John Andersen wrote:
On 11/16/2009 11:16 AM, Markus � wrote:
You get two warnings from Vmware that state:
The specified device appears to be claimed by another driver (usb-storage) on the host operating system which means that the device may be in use. To continue, the device will first be disconnected from its current driver.
Click yes to both, and the device is disconnected from Linux and connected to the guest.
(The question is asked twice, once for the drive and once for the device and once for the partition apparently).
For me this is a little bit different. I answer the questions with yes. The device disappears from the device notifer. But immediately after that the Device Notifier comes up again with the device. In /var/log/messages I see that the device was reset. And the device is not working in the guest OS. But it is marked as connected by vmware.
You are right, if the Virtual machine does not grab the device it will revert back to the host.
This can happen if 1) the Vm was not defined with a USB device, or 2) the USB in the Guest was not defined with plug and play support or 3) there were no device drivers in the VM's OS, or 4) the Guest OS pulls a device driver right off of the device itself, installs it and then re-sets the USB bus so that the newly installed driver can find the device. This often happens with cameras and phones, etc.
Ah... I think I had that problem with a TomTom. I told vmware to grab the device without asking me, so that it is regrabbed automatically again and again. Seems to work. Aparently vmware remembers the device that you don't want to be warned, because if will still warn for other devices you use. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2-ex-factory "Emerald" GM) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAksBv2MACgkQU92UU+smfQVAmgCfd7f/zPVH5LckM5UNZ1lm6B26 y5oAn1Xp/CImHc/hVZ0d8Thy4hWDgYqS =NfDi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 11/16/2009 1:08 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
You are right, if the Virtual machine does not grab the device it will revert back to the host.
This can happen if 1) the Vm was not defined with a USB device, or 2) the USB in the Guest was not defined with plug and play support or 3) there were no device drivers in the VM's OS, or 4) the Guest OS pulls a device driver right off of the device itself, installs it and then re-sets the USB bus so that the newly installed driver can find the device. This often happens with cameras and phones, etc.
Ah... I think I had that problem with a TomTom. I told vmware to grab the device without asking me, so that it is regrabbed automatically again and again. Seems to work. Aparently vmware remembers the device that you don't want to be warned, because if will still warn for other devices you use.
Interesting, where did you find that setting. I'd like to try it with the iphone. Oh, and BTW, yours remains (after all these years) the only pgp signature that I can't fetch with the built in Pgpkey utilities that are so well integrated with kmail. Its been this way for years. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11/16/2009 10:20 PM, John Andersen wrote:
Ah... I think I had that problem with a TomTom. I told vmware to grab the device without asking me, so that it is regrabbed automatically again and again. Seems to work. Aparently vmware remembers the device that you don't want to be warned, because if will still warn for other devices you use.
Interesting, where did you find that setting. I'd like to try it with the iphone.
Let's me see... from memory, on vmware server 1.x. You tell vmwarewhatever that you want to use certain usb device. Then it warns that it is in use by the kernel, whether you want to reclaim it, you say ok, and mark the "don't ask again" tickbox. I think that's it.
Oh, and BTW, yours remains (after all these years) the only pgp signature that I can't fetch with the built in Pgpkey utilities that are so well integrated with kmail. Its been this way for years.
Ah, sorry, that's my fault. This is my factory test partition, and it is temporary and I don't use it all the time, I have not exported this signature. Probably I should... No, I can't publish: Seahorse says "Couldn't communicate with 'keyserver.pgp.com': Can't contact LDAP server". I wonder why it wants to contact any ldap server, pgp does not use ldap, AFAIK... even if I use a server defined as hkp, it complains about ldap. Argh, another bug. Seahorse can neither import nor export :-/ - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2-ex-factory "Emerald" GM) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAksB3wcACgkQU92UU+smfQX7cgCfRy3W5kAi94MuG4CmF7D479cz mmIAn0y0vEvtf8/99Z5FNRBKh8Bu08Am =oAra -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Montag, 16. November 2009 schrieb John Andersen:
On 11/16/2009 11:16 AM, Markus � wrote:
Am Montag, 16. November 2009 schrieb John Andersen:
On Sunday 15 November 2009 08:33:08 pm Markus Ko�mann wrote:
Am Montag, 16. November 2009 schrieb Teruel de Campo MD:
I have just installed VMware Workstation 7.0 in opensuse 11.2 GM
[...]
In summary I do not find problems (at least initially) with vmware workstation 64 7.0 under opensuse 11.2
Did youallready try to access an USB mass storage device ( i.e na USB thump drive or USB attached harddrive ) with your guest ?
I did. Works fine.
You get two warnings from Vmware that state:
The specified device appears to be claimed by another driver (usb-storage) on the host operating system which means that the device may be in use. To continue, the device will first be disconnected from its current driver.
Click yes to both, and the device is disconnected from Linux and connected to the guest.
(The question is asked twice, once for the drive and once for the device and once for the partition apparently).
For me this is a little bit different. I answer the questions with yes. The device disappears from the device notifer. But immediately after that the Device Notifier comes up again with the device. In /var/log/messages I see that the device was reset. And the device is not working in the guest OS. But it is marked as connected by vmware.
You are right, if the Virtual machine does not grab the device it will revert back to the host.
This can happen if 1) the Vm was not defined with a USB device, or 2) the USB in the Guest was not defined with plug and play support or 3) there were no device drivers in the VM's OS, or 4) the Guest OS pulls a device driver right off of the device itself, installs it and then re-sets the USB bus so that the newly installed driver can find the device. This often happens with cameras and phones, etc.
It happens with standard USB mass storage devices like a USB attached disk or a USB thumb drive. The guest OS is XP and tries to grab it. But then marks it as not working. It looks like to be triggered by a change in the kernel for me. With SUSE-11.0/ 2.6.25 it used to work for me , too. However the same VM shows that problem if I update the kernel on that host to 2.6.27. Workaround was to unload the linux USB mass storage module . That doesn't work with 11.2 any more, because now the mass storage support is compiled into the kernel. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 05:33 +0100, Markus Koßmann wrote:
Did youallready try to access an USB mass storage device ( i.e na USB thump drive or USB attached harddrive ) with your guest ?
Yes, I sync the treo which is the most tricky of all the usb. Today or tomorrow I will try the usb modem etc. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 15 November 2009 08:12:22 pm Teruel de Campo MD wrote:
I have just installed VMware Workstation 7.0 in opensuse 11.2 GM
1. This is the file I use
VMware-Workstation-Full-7.0.0-203739.x86_64.bundle
2. Installation was very easy. The old vmware-config.pl is gone, in v 7.0 all is done automatically. The only two interventions are to accept the license and to yes or not to Eclipse (the default is no which is what I did)
3. Then you have to reboot so the modules are loaded. You will find the entries on the K menu under /system/more
You were doing fine till you got to the above point. I did not have to reboot, and neither did you. I did a clean install of 11.2 so I had nothing hanging around from a prior version. But even if I did, Vmware dutifully removes it, and a reboot is never needed. Vmware 7 works great with 11.2. -- If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out? - Will Rogers -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
5. The open source vmware that was installed by default under opensuse 11.1 is not installed under opensuse 11.2 so we do not have to unsintall it.
Is there such an animal ? open source vmware ? -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 14:59 +0200, Alexey Eremenko wrote:
5. The open source vmware that was installed by default under opensuse 11.1 is not installed under opensuse 11.2 so we do not have to unsintall it. Is there such an animal ? open source vmware ?
He is talking about the kernel modules for operating as a VMware *GUEST* [your machine is running in VMware]. In 11.1 [and prior?] these kernel modules were sometimes erroneously installed when openSUSE was installed on metal [not a guest]. There is no Open Source VMware; there are free VMware products. But Workstations isn't that expensive and very much worth paying for [compared to the free products]. -- OpenGroupware developer: awilliam@whitemice.org http://whitemiceconsulting.blogspot.com/ OpenGroupare & Cyrus IMAPd documenation @ http://docs.opengroupware.org/Members/whitemice/wmogag/file_view -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
There is no Open Source VMware; there are free VMware products. But Workstations isn't that expensive and very much worth paying for [compared to the free products].
What is your own experience of VMware compared to the free product VirtualBox ? -- -"Technologov" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 15:25 +0200, Alexey Eremenko wrote:
There is no Open Source VMware; there are free VMware products. But Workstations isn't that expensive and very much worth paying for [compared to the free products]. What is your own experience of VMware compared to the free product VirtualBox ?
VMware "just works", hosting anything I've tried. Create VM - install OS - Work. That is very much worth $$$. My experience with VirtualBox reminded me of my experience with WINE. It also felt like Xen. It probably works great, if your willing to fiddle and take the time to learn all about how VB / Xen works. I'm not. I need to develop, test, and run apps; I just don't care at all about how the software in question makes that happen. On occasion I've gone through VB's wizard to create a VM and subsequently had it fall down with some error message. And then I've deleted the VB VM and used VMware. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
VMware "just works", hosting anything I've tried.
Yah... I've even managed to futz around and get OSX working in VMWare :-) Wasn't easy nor nice, but it did work... kinda.
My experience with VirtualBox reminded me of my experience with WINE. It also felt like Xen. It probably works great, if your willing to fiddle and take the time to learn all about how VB / Xen works. I'm not. I need to develop, test, and run apps; I just don't care at all about how the software in question makes that happen. On occasion I've gone through VB's wizard to create a VM and subsequently had it fall down with some error message. And then I've deleted the VB VM and used VMware.
That's how it used to be... in my experience, it's not like that anymore. I simply fire up VBox and step through the wizard and install my guest OS - everything just works (for I throw at it anyway). Any tinkering I do is the same kind of tinkering I do in VMWare as well.. like fine tuning the Guest hardware profile (using the GUI of course)... changing the amount of RAM avail to the guest, bumping up the video RAM.. that sort of thing. i haven't had VBox fall down with any errors on installing a guest in a very long time. One noticeable diff between the two is the easy mode install in VMWare if you're installing a Windows OS.. that's the bit where you enter the license key etc and VMWare auto fills in the bits and then installs VMWare Tools withot you needing to do anything. Installing in VBox is almost as easy, but you have to enter license keys in the appropriate spots and then run the VBox Tools installer yourself. It's a convenience feature... In VBox I currently have... WinXP, Win7, OpenSolaris, OpenSUSE 10.3, 11.0, 11.1 and 11.2, Ubuntu 9.04, 9.10, and Kubuntu 9.10, and a few other misc Linux distros I'm testing/trying. The Win and OpenSUSE installs are used on at least a weekly basis, primarily for my job. What I have seen with VBox is if/when I've used the OSE build from the repos, then the tweaking took on a new level of annoyance... but also that was many versions ago, so things are likely to have changed... that said, the OSE build from the repos is missing functionality (specifically RDP and USB support). C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Alexey Eremenko wrote:
There is no Open Source VMware; there are free VMware products. But Workstations isn't that expensive and very much worth paying for [compared to the free products].
What is your own experience of VMware compared to the free product VirtualBox ?
A couple of years ago, I tried out VMware first, found it to be easy and straight forward. Then I stumbled over VirtualBox a little while later, and the free version is a lot easier to deal with. I don't know of any functional differences, and have used VB ever since. It just works. /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (12.0°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11/16/2009 04:32 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
Alexey Eremenko wrote:
There is no Open Source VMware; there are free VMware products. But Workstations isn't that expensive and very much worth paying for [compared to the free products].
What is your own experience of VMware compared to the free product VirtualBox ?
A couple of years ago, I tried out VMware first, found it to be easy and straight forward. Then I stumbled over VirtualBox a little while later, and the free version is a lot easier to deal with. I don't know of any functional differences, and have used VB ever since. It just works.
What about usb? I heard of problems with permissions, then that you get usb 1, not 2... (full speed). - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2-ex-factory "Emerald" GM) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAksB4SQACgkQU92UU+smfQWkUwCbB4jmp/NL2EgsaitQ7aS1NdGL 22gAn2MMZeuN+rNIwKdhqtjdAVXLRoxz =yCF8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 00:32 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I heard of problems with permissions, then that you get usb 1, not 2... (full speed).
Carlos, I have been using usb 2 under 6.5.3 without problems. I have just installed Workstation 7 so I do not have much experience with it yet. I have not had any problems with 6.5.3 of any usb devices, flash sticks (I made an usblive opensuse 11.2 from opensuse 11.2 guest in VMware workstation opensuse 11.1 host)hard disk, scan, usb modem/fax and of course the Treo 700p which was the hardest under previous versions. Even under unity mode the usb have worked ok. -=terry=- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11/17/2009 04:05 AM, Teruel de Campo MD wrote:
On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 00:32 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I heard of problems with permissions, then that you get usb 1, not 2... (full speed).
Carlos,
I have been using usb 2 under 6.5.3 without problems. I have just installed Workstation 7
I refered to virtualbox. I know that VMW supports usb fine. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2-ex-factory "Emerald" GM) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAksC/agACgkQU92UU+smfQVQ6ACfQFBuEUP1/HWgvVC3arT2Ncj0 OoYAnRH3JyKY5b548Hz2fi96YKt1Ez0G =/Lvm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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On 11/16/2009 04:32 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
Alexey Eremenko wrote:
There is no Open Source VMware; there are free VMware products. But Workstations isn't that expensive and very much worth paying for [compared to the free products].
What is your own experience of VMware compared to the free product VirtualBox ?
A couple of years ago, I tried out VMware first, found it to be easy and straight forward. Then I stumbled over VirtualBox a little while later, and the free version is a lot easier to deal with. I don't know of any functional differences, and have used VB ever since. It just works.
What about usb?
I heard of problems with permissions, then that you get usb 1, not 2... (full speed).
Yes, I've seen those comments too - I haven't had a need to use any USB devices with VB, so I can't say. /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (6.8°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 11/16/2009 04:32 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
What about usb?
I heard of problems with permissions, then that you get usb 1, not 2... (full speed).
Yes, I've seen those comments too - I haven't had a need to use any USB devices with VB, so I can't say.
/Per
If you use the download from http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads USB will work just fine without having to do any special configuration. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
There is no Open Source VMware; there are free VMware products. But Workstations isn't that expensive and very much worth paying for [compared to the free products].
Workstation is $190US per license. That is somewhat expensive for a home user... not so bad for a company to pay though I suppose. I've used and do use both... and overall, I personally prefer VirtualBox - not because it's free, but because I find that for my purposes it works better or the same. If it works the same, free wins out over $190 any day. Historically, VMWare worked a lot better with USB devices, and supported more legacy OSes, but, USB is working fine for me now in VBox and the supported OSes covers all that I have/use. As well, VBox can open/boot VMWare images... so any older VMWare VMDK images I have are still usable/accessible (at least in my experience). VMWare has some nice features for running an managing multiple VMs on the server side, and the VMWare Player is nice - something VBox does not have. I don't miss the Player though when I'm using VBox. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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There is no Open Source VMware; there are free VMware products. But Workstations isn't that expensive and very much worth paying for [compared to the free products].
Workstation is $190US per license. That is somewhat expensive for a home user... not so bad for a company to pay though I suppose.
I've used and do use both... and overall, I personally prefer VirtualBox - not because it's free, but because I find that for my purposes it works better or the same. If it works the same, free wins out over $190 any day.
Historically, VMWare worked a lot better with USB devices, and supported more legacy OSes, but, USB is working fine for me now in VBox and the supported OSes covers all that I have/use. As well, VBox can open/boot VMWare images... so any older VMWare VMDK images I have are still usable/accessible (at least in my experience).
VMWare has some nice features for running an managing multiple VMs on the server side, and the VMWare Player is nice - something VBox does not have. I don't miss the Player though when I'm using VBox.
C.
I can confirm that you can run VMware images in Vbox. I am doing so with two different images. If you want to make the change to Vbox make sure you remove the VMware tools first. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Clayton pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
There is no Open Source VMware; there are free VMware products. But Workstations isn't that expensive and very much worth paying for [compared to the free products].
Workstation is $190US per license. That is somewhat expensive for a home user... not so bad for a company to pay though I suppose.
I've used and do use both... and overall, I personally prefer VirtualBox - not because it's free, but because I find that for my purposes it works better or the same. If it works the same, free wins out over $190 any day.
Historically, VMWare worked a lot better with USB devices, and supported more legacy OSes, but, USB is working fine for me now in VBox and the supported OSes covers all that I have/use. As well, VBox can open/boot VMWare images... so any older VMWare VMDK images I have are still usable/accessible (at least in my experience).
VMWare has some nice features for running an managing multiple VMs on the server side, and the VMWare Player is nice - something VBox does not have. I don't miss the Player though when I'm using VBox.
C.
I can confirm that you can run VMware images in Vbox. I am doing so with two different images. If you want to make the change to Vbox make sure you remove the VMware tools first. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11/16/2009 02:34 PM, Clayton wrote:
There is no Open Source VMware; there are free VMware products. But Workstations isn't that expensive and very much worth paying for [compared to the free products].
Workstation is $190US per license. That is somewhat expensive for a home user... not so bad for a company to pay though I suppose.
But the server version is free, and it works fine. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2-ex-factory "Emerald" GM) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAksB4akACgkQU92UU+smfQXRMACgirvIYOMc5vGxu0nEXMfTR8Rf Er0AoIfVEaf2Ztzdlt94nrctcDDAPD6y =Ay2D -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 14:59 +0200, Alexey Eremenko wrote:
Is there such an animal ? open source vmware ?
Alexey, Open the software manager and search for vmware. That's what I was referring to. When this option are checked you can not install the commercial product (the were checked by default under 11.1) Back to your question there is not a open source for the vmware workstation. 1. You can get the vmware player for free. 2. you can create a VM for free, it is not complex, there is even a web site that help you to do it and saw also a program that comes with the distro for this purpose. 3. This VM that you create can play on the vmware player the problem is that you do not have the vmware tools that are key for performance and many other functions. Here is where you find an open source version of the vmware tools. I did 1 and 2 and I then I saw the potential and I decided to get the commercial product at the time it was version 5. This is a much as know of the products I saw are in the repositories related to vmware. -=terry=- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 17/11/09 03:56, Teruel de Campo MD wrote:
2. you can create a VM for free, it is not complex, there is even a web site that help you to do it and saw also a program that comes with the distro for this purpose.
Since version 3.0 you can now create a new guest within VMware Player. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Le Monday 16 November 2009 05:12:22 Teruel de Campo MD, vous avez écrit :
I have just installed VMware Workstation 7.0 in opensuse 11.2 GM
1. This is the file I use
VMware-Workstation-Full-7.0.0-203739.x86_64.bundle
2. Installation was very easy. The old vmware-config.pl is gone, in v 7.0 all is done automatically. The only two interventions are to accept the license and to yes or not to Eclipse (the default is no which is what I did)
3. Then you have to reboot so the modules are loaded. You will find the entries on the K menu under /system/more
4. I open a couple of the VM that I have with vmware workstation 6.5 (XP and Gentoo and both work fine) The treo sync without problems in XP. The vmtools were updated automatically.
5. The open source vmware that was installed by default under opensuse 11.1 is not installed under opensuse 11.2 so we do not have to unsintall it.
In summary I do not find problems (at least initially) with vmware workstation 64 7.0 under opensuse 11.2
-=terry=-
Hi Terry, Thank you to share this with us. I will now have to figure wether I buy VMware 7.0 or change to Virtual Box. Cheers Matthias -- / \ /_!_\ My e-mail address has just changed. Please note the new one : matthias.titeux@inserm.fr _____________________________________________________________ Matthias Titeux, PhD Département de génétique des maladies cutanées et allergiques dans des modèles animaux et chez l'homme. INSERM U563 - CPTP Pavillon Lefebvre, 5ème étage CHU Purpan BP3028 31024 Toulouse cedex 03 __________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hi Terry,
Thank you to share this with us. I will now have to figure wether I buy VMware 7.0 or change to Virtual Box.
Try both. AFAIK There is 30-day evaluation for VMware WS 7.0 and VirtualBox is Free. After you try both, tell us what you feel. -- -"Technologov" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Le Monday 16 November 2009 14:22:19 Alexey Eremenko, vous avez écrit :
Hi Terry,
Thank you to share this with us. I will now have to figure wether I buy VMware 7.0 or change to Virtual Box.
Try both. AFAIK There is 30-day evaluation for VMware WS 7.0 and VirtualBox is Free.
After you try both, tell us what you feel.
-- -"Technologov"
Hi, I know. My main prob is that I am using a VM under VMWare for 5 years now (VMware 4 (SUSE 8.2), then VMware 6.02 (OpenSUSE 10.3)), and since VMware 6.02 does not work on OpenSUSE 11.2 I will have to figure out whether I install a brandnew VM under VirtualBox (time consuming, moving data from VM --> HD, then copy back data from HD-->New VM) or buy VMware 7.0. It was important to me to know whether VMWare 7.0 works well under OpenSUSE 11.2. Thank for your input. Matthias -- / \ /_!_\ My e-mail address has just changed. Please note the new one : matthias.titeux@inserm.fr _____________________________________________________________ Matthias Titeux, PhD Département de génétique des maladies cutanées et allergiques dans des modèles animaux et chez l'homme. INSERM U563 - CPTP Pavillon Lefebvre, 5ème étage CHU Purpan BP3028 31024 Toulouse cedex 03 __________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
My main prob is that I am using a VM under VMWare for 5 years now (VMware 4 (SUSE 8.2), then VMware 6.02 (OpenSUSE 10.3)), and since VMware 6.02 does not work on OpenSUSE 11.2 I will have to figure out whether I install a brandnew VM under VirtualBox (time consuming, moving data from VM --> HD, then copy back data from HD-->New VM) or buy VMware 7.0.
Why would you need to reinstall? VirtualBox understands/opens VMDX images. In theory you shoudl be able to simply point VBox at your VMDX and boot - although, for testing purposes I'd suggest you make a copy of your existing VMDX and boot the copy until you're confident that VirtualBox can boot the VN~MDX and works correctly for your needs. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 02:36:07PM +0100, Clayton wrote:
My main prob is that I am using a VM under VMWare for 5 years now (VMware 4 (SUSE 8.2), then VMware 6.02 (OpenSUSE 10.3)), and since VMware 6.02 does not work on OpenSUSE 11.2 I will have to figure out whether I install a brandnew VM under VirtualBox (time consuming, moving data from VM --> HD, then copy back data from HD-->New VM) or buy VMware 7.0.
Why would you need to reinstall? VirtualBox understands/opens VMDX images. In theory you shoudl be able to simply point VBox at your VMDX and boot - although, for testing purposes I'd suggest you make a copy of your existing VMDX and boot the copy until you're confident that VirtualBox can boot the VN~MDX and works correctly for your needs.
http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Migrate_Windows is a useful place of information. In particular the hint to enable APIC. Lars -- Lars Müller [ˈlaː(r)z ˈmʏlɐ] Samba Team SUSE Linux, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany
Le Monday 16 November 2009 14:36:07 Clayton, vous avez écrit :
My main prob is that I am using a VM under VMWare for 5 years now (VMware 4 (SUSE 8.2), then VMware 6.02 (OpenSUSE 10.3)), and since VMware 6.02 does not work on OpenSUSE 11.2 I will have to figure out whether I install a brandnew VM under VirtualBox (time consuming, moving data from VM --> HD, then copy back data from HD-->New VM) or buy VMware 7.0.
Why would you need to reinstall? VirtualBox understands/opens VMDX images. In theory you shoudl be able to simply point VBox at your VMDX and boot - although, for testing purposes I'd suggest you make a copy of your existing VMDX and boot the copy until you're confident that VirtualBox can boot the VN~MDX and works correctly for your needs.
C.
Hi, Glad to know ! I will try it out, but It is in contradiction with a post of Alexey (see my previous post OpenSuSE 11.2 and VMWare) who said: _______________________________________________________________ /snip
Alexei, do you know if a virtual machine disk from VMware will be usable by Virtual box ?
Short answer: No. Long answer: Try to export your VMware machines into OVF, and re-import them into VirtualBox. VirtualBox can read VMDKs, but it provides a different virtual hardware, so the transition experience may be painful. Windows VMs may require re-activation or refuse to load (BSOD), and Linux VMs may require re-configuration of Xorg and hardware. While it is possible to transfer VMs, it is not pain-free. I recommend install OSes from scratch, like you would, when migrating to new physical hardware. ____________________________________________________________________ So I understood than Virtual box cannot open VMWare VM without tweaking. Especially because the VM is a windows XP system. Thank you Matthias -- / \ /_!_\ My e-mail address has just changed. Please note the new one : matthias.titeux@inserm.fr _____________________________________________________________ Matthias Titeux, PhD Département de génétique des maladies cutanées et allergiques dans des modèles animaux et chez l'homme. INSERM U563 - CPTP Pavillon Lefebvre, 5ème étage CHU Purpan BP3028 31024 Toulouse cedex 03 __________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Try to export your VMware machines into OVF, and re-import them into VirtualBox. VirtualBox can read VMDKs, but it provides a different virtual hardware, so the transition experience may be painful. Windows VMs may require re-activation or refuse to load (BSOD), and Linux VMs may require re-configuration of Xorg and hardware. While it is possible to transfer VMs, it is not pain-free. I recommend install OSes from scratch, like you would, when migrating to new physical hardware. ____________________________________________________________________
So I understood than Virtual box cannot open VMWare VM without tweaking. Especially because the VM is a windows XP system.
Mmmmm... that is a good point, and good that someone pointed it out - especially with Windows. Windows7 is pretty robust with changing hardware and seems to recover reasonably well - other than reactivation silliness and proving you're not a pirate etc etc. But.. WinXP and previous versions will probably have a fit. I've only had any experience with Linux VMDKs and they switched over painlessly... but thatw as my particular experience/setup. Different installs may not go as smooth. Basically, it will work on a technical level... Windows may have a fit.. and freak out.. or it may not. I've not tested it. That's why I suggested you make a copy of your working VMDK and open that :-) If it works, then you're set... if not, you haven't trashed your working install. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Matthias Titeux -
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Teruel de Campo MD