[SuSE Linux] linux binary support for SCO Unixware
Unless you live in a cave you almost assuredly read slashdot daily, so you've already seen this. I think linux binary compatibility makes good sense for SCO Unixware, and makes their product more attractive as a desktop solution. When the new Unixware 7 with linux bin support becomes available I'm good for a student license just to test drive it. Hmmm, first Sun offers Solaris 2.6 for the cost of shipping and the media, now SCO is integrating linux binary compatibility, what's next? It's nice to see the commercial unices start exercising some of the practices that the open source os'es proved to work, I hope the moves prove successful for both Sun and SCO. -- .###. /#######\## -==============================================- ;##### ;# Mike's WindowMaker ;##### ;# <A HREF="http://tasteslikechicken.ml.org/windowmaker.html"><A HREF="http://tasteslikechicken.ml.org/windowmaker.html</A">http://tasteslikechicken.ml.org/windowmaker.html</A</A>> \# /## -==============================================- ###'---'#### - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Given this WAVE of popularity of Linux, it seems like a surprisingly smart business move by Sco. I was a bit surprised when I read that. The future's so bright we all might need sunglasses. I might have to pick up some SCO myself for a test drive as well. On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Michael Lankton wrote:
Unless you live in a cave you almost assuredly read slashdot daily, so you've already seen this. I think linux binary compatibility makes good sense for SCO Unixware, and makes their product more attractive as a desktop solution. When the new Unixware 7 with linux bin support becomes available I'm good for a student license just to test drive it. Hmmm, first Sun offers Solaris 2.6 for the cost of shipping and the media, now SCO is integrating linux binary compatibility, what's next? It's nice to see the commercial unices start exercising some of the practices that the open source os'es proved to work, I hope the moves prove successful for both Sun and SCO. -- .###. /#######\## -==============================================- ;##### ;# Mike's WindowMaker ;##### ;# <A HREF="http://tasteslikechicken.ml.org/windowmaker.html"><A HREF="http://tasteslikechicken.ml.org/windowmaker.html</A">http://tasteslikechicken.ml.org/windowmaker.html</A</A>> \# /## -==============================================- ###'---'#### - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
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Michael Johnson <hekate@intergate.bc.ca> wrote:
Given this WAVE of popularity of Linux, it seems like a surprisingly smart business move by Sco. I was a bit surprised when I read that. The future's so bright we all might need sunglasses. I might have to pick up some SCO myself for a test drive as well.
On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Michael Lankton wrote:
On thing for sure...there is *no* disto like SuSE which provides the flexibilty on the install, has the utils, works out of the box, and has 5 CD's in the boxed set. More of Everything. Having tried FreeBSD, BSDI, Solaris Intel, and just about every flavour of Linux, my personal opinion is SuSE is the cadillac. -Dee --------------------------------------------------- W.D.McKinney (Dee) deem@wdm.com <A HREF="http://www.wdm.com"><A HREF="http://www.wdm.com</A">http://www.wdm.com</A</A>> "The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few." --------------------------------------------------- - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
W.D.McKinney wrote:
Having tried FreeBSD, BSDI, Solaris Intel, and just about every flavour of Linux, my personal opinion is SuSE is the cadillac.
Mercedes ;-> German engineered, you know. George - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
More like a Hummer. I'd compare OS/2 to a Cadillac. Win95 to a Suzuki Sidekick. On 28-Aug-98 George Toft wrote:
W.D.McKinney wrote:
Having tried FreeBSD, BSDI, Solaris Intel, and just about every flavour of Linux, my personal opinion is SuSE is the cadillac.
Mercedes ;-> German engineered, you know.
George
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On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, George Toft wrote:
W.D.McKinney wrote:
Having tried FreeBSD, BSDI, Solaris Intel, and just about every flavour of Linux, my personal opinion is SuSE is the cadillac.
Mercedes ;-> German engineered, you know.
BMW - (faster than Mercedes, still comfortable) Ed Craig epcraig@efn.org Found job. - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Ed Craig wrote:
On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, George Toft wrote:
W.D.McKinney wrote:
Having tried FreeBSD, BSDI, Solaris Intel, and just about every flavour of Linux, my personal opinion is SuSE is the cadillac.
Mercedes ;-> German engineered, you know.
BMW - (faster than Mercedes, still comfortable)
I stand (speed) corrected. George - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, George Toft wrote:
Mercedes ;-> German engineered, you know.
George
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On Thu, 27 Aug 1998, W.D.McKinney wrote:
Michael Johnson <hekate@intergate.bc.ca> wrote: <snip> On thing for sure...there is *no* disto like SuSE which provides the flexibilty on the install, has the utils, works out of the box, and has 5 CD's in the boxed set. More of Everything.
Having tried FreeBSD, BSDI, Solaris Intel, and just about every flavour of Linux, my personal opinion is SuSE is the cadillac.
Dee, you're right. These people are very efficient, and though I will play with other forms of Unix for fun, one only becomes more rather than less impressed having done so, with the tremendous job done by the guys at S.u.S.E. -M One is most dishonest towards one's God; he is not _permitted_ to sin. mail: mjohnson@pop3.aebc.com - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Michael Johnson wrote:
Given this WAVE of popularity of Linux, it seems like a surprisingly smart business move by Sco. I was a bit surprised when I read that. The future's so bright we all might need sunglasses. I might have to pick up some SCO myself for a test drive as well.
I thought of this, too. Based on a thread in the RedHat list and talking to SCO's sales dept, I've decided the product is far too expensive. Linux appears to support more hardware and has much better user support. Of course, I have no SCO experience, but what I read and the answers to my questions quickly turned me off. Like SUN's Solaris, what you get is the base OS and a GUI. No development tools, and many of the utilities that you use on a daily basis are not included. That free Solaris is going to cost me $18 for the OS and another $38 for the GNU utilities. For $56, I should have bough SuSE 5.3. George - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Michael Lankton wrote:
Hmmm, first Sun offers Solaris 2.6 for the cost of shipping and the media,
Pardon me, SCO has been offering OpenServer and UnixWare since January (maybe earlier), with free download of SCO Merge (runs Win95 programs under OpenServer). I think they were first. I talked to their VP of Marketing, and he said that given the circumstances (imply: Linux and Free Software movement), "it was the right thing to do."
now SCO is integrating linux binary compatibility, what's next? It's nice to see the commercial unices start exercising some of the practices that the open source os'es proved to work, I hope the moves prove successful for both Sun and SCO.
So do I!!! On the topic of successful desktop OSes (yes, I'm beating a dead horse), look at where MS-DOS was just 10 years ago. At that time, a few people used it, and I only knew one person who used Windows (2.something). His system was the hardest to use - nobody could use that point-and-click thing. Now MS-DOS has a really glamorous GUI and it has a new name, but it still walks like a duck and talks like a duck, therefore it must still be a duck. Where am I going with this? Linux can very well become a desktop OS. Just like Win 3.0 and 3.1 took days to configure (and Win95 takes days to reconfigure after it crashes 2^10 times) Linux takes a little bit of tweeking. If someone (and I hate to suggest Yet Another Linux Distro - see Linux Journal Sep 98) could combine the best features of the major distros, and throw in KDE, you would have a system that the *average* computer user could use without too much hassle. Point: Linux (like other Unices) needs considerable administration. Counter Point: NOT!!! (But in the interest of keeping our jobs, we'll say it does). Like was mentioned previously, YaST does a great job of shielding the user from what it is doing. When a user decides to travel the road to be a guru, they can learn what's under the hood. Even very accomplished Win95 users don't know what the registry does (except get corrupted). Summary: Like MS-DOS was 10-15 years ago, like Win3.1 was six years ago, Linux is now. Like Win95/98 is now (IRT admin not stability), Linux will be in two years or so. Look at the advances Linux has made in three years (back then I couldn't fix the stair- stepping of prited text without editing printcap, now YaST and RedHat's PrintTool take care of that for me). As advances in Linux' admin tools are made, Linux will make its way onto the desktops. I use it in a desktop environment on two PC's and in a server environment on two servers. I'll be adding another Linux-based desktop at work when our new computers come in (I'll get the *old one* of course). George - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Yeah George, but Unixware 7 'free' costs $69.95. I am more inclined to spend $20 on an os I don't really need than I am to spend $70. <A HREF="http://wdb1.sco.com/clbk_web/owa/freeunix_view_shopcart?f_prg_id=1"><A HREF="http://wdb1.sco.com/clbk_web/owa/freeunix_view_shopcart?f_prg_id=1</A">http://wdb1.sco.com/clbk_web/owa/freeunix_view_shopcart?f_prg_id=1</A</A>>&f_message= George Toft wrote:
Pardon me, SCO has been offering OpenServer and UnixWare since January (maybe earlier), with free download of SCO Merge (runs Win95 programs under OpenServer). I think they were first.
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On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, George Toft wrote:
Now MS-DOS has a really glamorous GUI and it has a new name, but it still walks like a duck and talks like a duck, therefore it must still be a duck.
glamourous?? LOL. I haven't heard a Linux user call Win95 'glamourous' before... <gring> . Other terms are usually used... but I can't mention it here cause I try to watch my language...
Where am I going with this? Linux can very well become a desktop OS. Just like Win 3.0 and 3.1 took days to configure (and Win95 takes days to reconfigure after it crashes 2^10 times) Linux takes a little bit of tweeking. If someone (and I hate to suggest Yet Another Linux Distro - see Linux Journal Sep 98) could combine the best features of the major distros, and throw in KDE, you would have a system that the *average* computer user could use without too much hassle.
As far as combining the best features of different dists, I feel S.u.S.E. already does this. Am I the only one? When I first used S.u.S.E. it seemed to me to have the best features of Red Hat and Slakware, without the faults. YaST has Glint and the RH Control Panel beat by a mile and Slakware doesn't have a decent database system. S.u.S.E. also include KDE AND Gnome...so I'm not sure what you mean about if someone would 'combine the best features of the major distros and throw in KDE.. then..' cause to me S.u.S.E. has already taken care of this. Am I wrong? On the other hand about desktops for newbies, I would never buy a completey graphical linux, so if they made one that was like Linux 95 (grin) I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole. So long as the proselytizers that want an intuitive gui from jump keep us 'old timers' in mind...things can only go up. I do agree though that the 'average' user ( using 'average' to describe a Linux user sometimes seems paradoxical <grin>) would best benefit from not just a constructive ui but from an INTUITIVE one as well. I think YaST is functionally superior, but RH's tools as much as I don't like them are much more self-explanatory ( read self-explanatory=intuitive )from the GRAPHICAL END, which is a sense I guess what you want. Interesting to see where we are in another couple years, as things seem to be moving ahead more and more in this direction...
Point: Linux (like other Unices) needs considerable administration. Counter Point: NOT!!! (But in the interest of keeping our jobs, we'll say it does). Like was mentioned previously, YaST does a great job of shielding the user from what it is doing. When a user decides to travel the road to be a guru, they can learn what's under the hood. Even very accomplished Win95 users don't know what the registry does (except get corrupted).
Not really true. There's plenty of literature available for the registry... and one CAN tinker with it by hand. I know cause I've done it. I don't know if YaST and the registry are compare-able though. Two different types of tools. The registry isn't meant to be a user interface. I think Wolfgang made a good point about YaST though, maybe shielding the user a bit too much. <grin>. Though much of it you _can_ figure out on your own. Where was _I_ going with this? Nowhere, I just had to respond to any mail calling that Win95 desktop OS 'glamourous'. <grin> Michael - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Michael Johnson wrote: [snip]
Not really true. There's plenty of literature available for the registry... and one CAN tinker with it by hand. I know cause I've done it.
Yes, but this is such a fragile file. One slip and say good bye OS. Linux is not so fragile. Worst case - boot off a floppy and undo whatever you did. I totally botched fstab and lilo.conf in one fell swoop. Rebuilt both from scratch and was back in business.
I don't know if YaST and the registry are compare-able though. Two different types of tools. The registry isn't meant to be a user interface. I think Wolfgang made a good point about YaST though, maybe shielding the user a bit too much. <grin>. Though much of it you _can_ figure out on your own.
Where was _I_ going with this? Nowhere, I just had to respond to any mail calling that Win95 desktop OS 'glamourous'. <grin>
This is a relative statement, not an absolute. The Win95 interface, even though standard in almost all respects, is rigid and inflexable in comparison to X. Costume jewelry is glamorous to a destitute person, but cheeky to one who wears the real McCoy. George - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
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