[opensuse] What to use SLED or OSL??
Hi everybody, I have to ask this question with the hopes that somebody out there has used SLED (Suse Linux Enterprise Destkop) and OSL (Open Suse Linux) enough to know if SLED is really that much more refined and stable. SLED currently is based on OSL's 10.1 build...with that in mind...would anybody say that SLED is worth it for the support and other purks that is being offered? I'm asking this question because we plan on offering Suse Linux as an option to MS products on a new PC....should it be SLED or OSL? Thanks Chris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 4/21/07, Chris & Steve
Hi everybody, I have to ask this question with the hopes that somebody out there has used SLED (Suse Linux Enterprise Destkop) and OSL (Open Suse Linux) enough to know if SLED is really that much more refined and stable. SLED currently is based on OSL's 10.1 build...with that in mind...would anybody say that SLED is worth it for the support and other purks that is being offered?
I'm asking this question because we plan on offering Suse Linux as an option to MS products on a new PC....should it be SLED or OSL?
Thanks Chris
You decide. SLED lacks community support which is a very big factor for me. Plus another factor is how many packages SLED has ? I think it has less than openSUSE. Since SLED has nothing extra (such as multimedia codecs out-of-the-box) I doubt there is any value in it. -- -Alexey Eremenko "Technologov" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
however, boxed openSUSE could be nice... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 21 April 2007 07:12:05 pm Alexey Eremenko wrote:
On 4/21/07, Chris & Steve
wrote: Hi everybody, I have to ask this question with the hopes that somebody out there has used SLED (Suse Linux Enterprise Destkop) and OSL (Open Suse Linux) enough to know if SLED is really that much more refined and stable. SLED currently is based on OSL's 10.1 build...with that in mind...would anybody say that SLED is worth it for the support and other purks that is being offered?
I'm asking this question because we plan on offering Suse Linux as an option to MS products on a new PC....should it be SLED or OSL?
Thanks Chris
You decide. SLED lacks community support which is a very big factor for me.
If _you_ don't know about it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. The mailing list suse-sles-e is good for SLED too, since they share the same code base.
Since SLED has nothing extra (such as multimedia codecs out-of-the-box) I doubt there is any value in it.
Do you think the same reasoning from owning 1 to 10 computers applies to a couple of hundred computers? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
You decide. SLED lacks community support which is a very big factor for me. Plus another factor is how many packages SLED has ? I think it has less than openSUSE.
You're right is saying that SLED lacks community support but a lot of questions can be made on the opensuse mailing list. Most of the questions I made the last year were related to stuff I was trying to do on SLES10 but my questions were sent to the opensuse's mailing list because there are really knowledgeable people on this list.
Since SLED has nothing extra (such as multimedia codecs out-of-the-box) I doubt there is any value in it.
There is a value if you don't want to update the distribution every 2 years. SLED and SLES10 has a 7 years support life cycle (4 + 3 extended support). I like opensuse, but If you thing that your users will want to stay with the same distribution for a few years (nromal users don't really care to have the last version of software, they just want something that works), SLED makes probably sense. You will just have to take into consideration the upgrade of some software (Firefox on SLED 10 is version 1.5 for instance) Kind regards, Gaël N�����r��y隊Z)z{.�ﮞ˛���m�)z{.��+�Z+i�b�*'jW(�f�vǦj)h���Ǿ��i�������
On Monday, 23. April 2007 09:23:38 Gaël Lams wrote:
You will just have to take into consideration the upgrade of some software (Firefox on SLED 10 is version 1.5 for instance)
Better not, Service Pack 1 will include Firefox 2.0. Bye, Steve -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 10:35:01AM +0200, Stephan Binner wrote:
On Monday, 23. April 2007 09:23:38 Gaël Lams wrote:
You will just have to take into consideration the upgrade of some software (Firefox on SLED 10 is version 1.5 for instance)
Better not, Service Pack 1 will include Firefox 2.0.
We will upgrade Firefox to 2.0.x for all current products anyway, since 1.5.x support is running out. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
You will just have to take into consideration the upgrade of some software (Firefox on SLED 10 is version 1.5 for instance)
Better not, Service Pack 1 will include Firefox 2.0.
Thank you for the information (actually I didn't upgrade it, but installed it as the stand-alone/separated application) Regards, Gaël N�����r��y隊Z)z{.�ﮞ˛���m�)z{.��+�Z+i�b�*'jW(�f�vǦj)h���Ǿ��i�������
On Mon 23 Apr 2007 07:23, Gaël Lams wrote:
If you thing that your users will want to stay with the same distribution for a few years
- been with SuSE since vers 6.2 ............... friendly greetings -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Chris & Steve wrote:
I'm asking this question because we plan on offering Suse Linux as an option to MS products on a new PC....should it be SLED or OSL?
SELD/SLES can have up to seven years support (updates, security patches) - not for free, of course in many professional situation, this is important because one don't want to reconfigure a perfectly running computer. for any other case, vote for openSUSE jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Cécile, esthéticienne à Montpellier (à domicile) http://gourmandises.orangeblog.fr/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Chris & Steve wrote:
Hi everybody, I have to ask this question with the hopes that somebody out there has used SLED (Suse Linux Enterprise Destkop) and OSL (Open Suse Linux) enough to know if SLED is really that much more refined and stable. SLED currently is based on OSL's 10.1 build...with that in mind...would anybody say that SLED is worth it for the support and other purks that is being offered?
I'm asking this question because we plan on offering Suse Linux as an option to MS products on a new PC....should it be SLED or OSL?
Thanks Chris
I think that SLED has a technical assistance package with it. I suspect it also has the full range of patching support that OSL has. Check out the Novell web site. -- Best regards, Dennis J. Tuchler University City, Missouri 63130 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Chris & Steve escribió:
Hi everybody, I have to ask this question with the hopes that somebody out there has used SLED (Suse Linux Enterprise Destkop) and OSL (Open Suse Linux) enough to know if SLED is really that much more refined and stable. SLED currently is based on OSL's 10.1 build...with that in mind...would anybody say that SLED is worth it for the support and other purks that is being offered?
I'm asking this question because we plan on offering Suse Linux as an option to MS products on a new PC....should it be SLED or OSL?
Thanks Chris
I think that depends on the needs of your customers. For home users, IMHO a boxed openSuSE would be better than SLED. Regards. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Chris, I think the most important issue for you as a business is that SLED HAS a life cycle and open suse has not. The issue of updates is not to be dismissed of easily- For example there was a rather large update to open office for 10,2 Open Suse, but this update was not made available to a 10,1 installation. You can only rely in critical security updates, however the open product has severe limitations. The other major issue is support and as this will be a learning curve for admins, installers and staff acceptance. I can assure you, your staff will be very intolerant to any application paying up and if that issue causes a drop in productivity thee goes your business Model. Other issues may be with printer drivers, cost of non-open backup software (as retention comes into place) and your Quality System if you have one. You can have a kyocera printer which will have a PCL emulation and you can get by using the emulation driver, but heaven help you if you want to use multiple draws. The same is true for Postscript. Personally, if you do have a small degree of time I would wait until the next version of SLED. The advantage of being provided with support is not to be dismissed with - If you have an issue - you will get an answer within a few minutes. Depending on the size of your Business you could probably swing an in house Linux consultant free for 2 weeks if you purchase enough units - You have a great deal of bargaining power with Novell who I am sure would be more than happy to almost give you a Netware Server if you require one and provide connectivity shell to SLED in the very short future. If you have the luxury of some time wait for SLED 11 if not the Open Product would be a stopgap - however you will need to do some smart talking with Novell so that almost no money changes hand from the open product to the Commercial release product. Remember any issue with an open product normally takes a whole version or more to be fixed - You also need to give some thought on a standard of which desktop you want to use KDE/Gnome and here I would look carefully at progressive development of both desktops. Once a decision has been made you will probably never change as your users will all hate you and productivity go down the drain. The absolute crunch must be the normal continuous running of your business and that new investment is meeting or preferably enhance it. Chris & Steve wrote:
Hi everybody, I have to ask this question with the hopes that somebody out there has used SLED (Suse Linux Enterprise Destkop) and OSL (Open Suse Linux) enough to know if SLED is really that much more refined and stable. SLED currently is based on OSL's 10.1 build...with that in mind...would anybody say that SLED is worth it for the support and other purks that is being offered?
I'm asking this question because we plan on offering Suse Linux as an option to MS products on a new PC....should it be SLED or OSL?
Thanks Chris
On Saturday 21 April 2007 08:58, Chris & Steve wrote:
Hi everybody, I have to ask this question with the hopes that somebody out there has used SLED (Suse Linux Enterprise Destkop) and OSL (Open Suse Linux) enough to know if SLED is really that much more refined and stable. SLED currently is based on OSL's 10.1 build...with that in mind...would anybody say that SLED is worth it for the support and other purks that is being offered?
I'm asking this question because we plan on offering Suse Linux as an option to MS products on a new PC....should it be SLED or OSL?
Thanks Chris
I come to this problem as someone who has four computers at home running SuSE 10.1, and one at work, also running 10.1. Recently I ordered SLED 10 for me office machine, because I'm not the only one using it, and wanted a release i could leave on there for 2 - 3 years. I paid for the support because I wanted that available for the time it was on there. So I received the product a week or so later, and proceeded to try to install it. The DVD seemed to be defective, as it would install normally until 3/4 of the way through the install when it would hang. I was eventually able to get it to install using the CD's that also came supplied, but many of the things I was used to were missing altogether. It didn't even come with a manual, for Pete's sake! A THREE times the cost of Suse 10.1 and not even a manual! First, many of the programs I have come to rely on, like GnuCash, simply weren't there. Not only weren't they there, there were no extra repositories listed for SLED 10. I was told I could use 10.1 repositories instead, because the code base was really the same, but it made me uneasy, and I suspect you'd find the same thing with many clients. Second, instead of the KDE desktop we've been used to for years, it installed as default this horrible GNOME desktop, which came without many of the ways to tweak the install to personal satisfaction. Yes, you could install KDE, but it still seemed to be missing things I expected. So, if you're only going to be offering it to corporate clients, where users get NO say in how their desktops look, go for SLED. Anything else, whether home or small business users, or especially Linux fans, run away from SLED and opt for the current version of Open-Suse. -- Bob Smits Ph 250-245-2553 Fax 250-245-5531 E-mail bob@rsmits.ca -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Chris & Steve wrote:
Hi everybody, I have to ask this question with the hopes that somebody out there has used SLED (Suse Linux Enterprise Destkop) and OSL (Open Suse Linux) enough to know if SLED is really that much more refined and stable. SLED currently is based on OSL's 10.1 build...with that in mind...would anybody say that SLED is worth it for the support and other purks that is being offered?
I'm asking this question because we plan on offering Suse Linux as an option to MS products on a new PC....should it be SLED or OSL?
Thanks Chris
If you want a Linux desktop in a production environment with stability, long service support and guarantees that it'll work, a Linux you intend to use out of the box without much customising it then SLED is awesome. If you want a custom desktop with 3rd party packages/software and you're not fussed about guarantees or support and are happy to fix problems yourself then openSUSE is probably for you. However if you're suppling end users with a Linux install, if you're running a community distro they'll be coming to you to fix their problems, however if they've got SLED you can palm them off to Novell will make your life easier! If you want full multimedia support on SLED you'll have to install the respective oS packages on it as they aren't available natively. Matthew -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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