meister@netz00.co m To: opensuse@opensuse.org cc: 09/06/2005 01:07 Subject: Re: [opensuse] 1 CD install ready to test PM Please respond to opensuse

meister@netz00.co m To: opensuse@opensuse.org cc: 09/06/2005 08:40 Subject: Re: [opensuse] 1 CD install ready to test AM Please respond to opensuse

# Hi Uriel, # funny header... It was not a complete header.

Am Dienstag, 6. September 2005 12:36 schrieb Shriramana Sharma:

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True. Single CD still has lots of attraction. Which is why I am downloading Knoppix right now for my travels. If I get a SuSE carry-with-you CD I will certainly have chosen that...

#what about SuSE-Live-CD ?

#-- mdc

I have used both and Knoppix has some advantages: 1) if required, you can install it on your Hard-drive.

# Correct me, but as I remember there was also an option to install # SuSE-Live-CD on the HD. I have version 9, may be in a newer version you can install to HD.

I run both Knoppix and Win/XP in my machine. When virus, disk, registry or other problems crop up, I fire up Knoppix on the machine and bingo. I don't even have to carry my CD.

# as far as I know, the MS bootloader isn't able to boot an image. So you # still have to boot from CD, even if you supply a linux bootsector in a # file unless you find a way to make grub or lilo booting a disk image. # Even Knoppix can not boot an image, they boot an initrd and in this # they mount their image via cloop. But if you use another bootloader # like grub either, it doesn't matter if you boot SuSE or Knoppix. Not the case, you can boot Knoppix in both, iso format (compressed) with /boot files from HD or in full Debian format from HD. The machine I am using to write this note is Lotus on XP with Knoppix as my second boot using FAT32 in iso format. I don't even use any of the Unix file system. I can manage all of my Windows files from Knoppix. I use lilo but have tried and works with GAG. And yes, Knoppix uses initrd (mini Linux to boot Knoppix). I have also tried with Grub successfully. My point is still valid, Knoppix got a bunch of tools for managing my WinXP machine when it gets into trouble. All I do, ask customer to reboot into Knoppix and then I can take over with VNC or SSH.

2) Knoppix has a bunch of very neat tools for trouble shooting. I don't leave home without it to fix my SuSE systems when they run into trouble.

# I think, maintaining a SuSE system that went into trouble works better # if you use the SuSE installation CDs to boot and repair. Not an easy task when remote does not have the SuSE installation CD's. The reason I am very excited about the 1_CD SuSE is because I can use it a fall back system when my main SuSE system on a server gets in trouble. I know I got a plan B that is not taking a lot of HD space.

3)SuSE-Live-CD is mostly a marketing CD, not really well thought out for the purpose of such tools as Knoppix is. Mind you, it is a good thing to have when you want to show someone what their machine would look like if SuSE was installed.

# I agree. A lot of usefull tools are missing on the Live-CD. I hope someone is paying attention. Also, HD install to a bootable iso will really go a long way.

I am a believer that a 1_CD_Desktop from the SUPER initiative would go a long way.

# Maybe. Earlier in this thread they discuss whether to include # OpenOffice. If this is the way, they want to go, I think it will indeed # be only a desktop and no system rescue/maintaince disk. Disagree, there should be a 1_CD for desktop, separate from a system one (more like Knoppix).

4) By the way, I am a SuSE bigot and use it all over the place including our Mainframe. Knoppix is necessity.

# Hmm, SUSE has some big advantages that's right (have you ever tried to # inject some pice of code in Herbert Xu's mkinitrd scripts in a Debian # distro?) Knoppix is the right tool, if you have a pc runnning only # windows, and you want to do some kind of network diagnosis, but not on # a pc running SuSE. I am on board and learning as fast as I my limited abilities go. Knoppix, SuSE, etc are not ready for prime time desktop. Not because of technology but because most customers insist on Windows. Training might be a factor. I am not selling my Microsoft stock any time soon until the average user starts demanding something different from Windows. Will it ever happen, of course, but I will be my life that it won't take place in weeks to come. May be in years to come. In the meantime, I get to play with different technologies. # -- mdc Regards, Uriel --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@opensuse.org The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. This message may be an attorney-client communication and/or work product and as such is privileged and confidential. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message.