Hi, On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Jon Pennington wrote:

On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Yatsen Ng wrote:

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What are the main differences between Solaris and (let's say SuSE) Linux from a user's point of view?

Virtually none. The original goal that Linus had in mind was for Linux to be a UNIX-like environment for programmers. The difference between Solaris and Linux is about the same as Solaris vs. HPUX, Solaris vs. AIX, Solaris vs. IRIX, or any other UNIX you can think of.

Linux has two primary advantages: Low initial cost, and the fact that most Linux distributions include a full compliment of GNU tools and applications, whereas the commercial U*X may not.

Indeed. I was more than shocked to work on freshly installed Solaris or IRIX boxes. They lack almost everything I got used to on my Linux box. Commerical Unices are very spartanic. Bye, LenZ -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Lenz Grimmer SuSE GmbH mailto:grimmer@suse.de Schanzaeckerstr. 10 http://www.suse.de/~grimmer 90443 Nuernberg, Germany -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

Anders Dahlqvist wrote:

I second that, plus that IMHO Solaris is slower (installing Solaris is like watching the grass grow) and far less flexible than LINUX, and even if you have all of the GNU packages compiling programs from free software often fails. It beats me why SuSE (and other Linuces)don't dominate the market.

There's a belief among a lot of old Unix hands that commercially developed systems are more reliable and perform better than Linux. I've heard it more than once, and it's hard to disprove with objective evidence. There's also the feeling that if something goes wrong with your Solaris, say, you can get whatever help you need from Sun, albeit at a very high tariff. I'm talking about beliefs, not necessarily reality. Paul Abrahams -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Michael Bartosh wrote:

Trying to get Netatalk up...

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root@heretic:/home/bartosh > locate atalk /etc/atalk /etc/atalk/afpd.conf /etc/atalk/AppleVolumes.default /etc/atalk/AppleVolumes.system /etc/atalk/atalkd.conf /etc/atalk/netatalk.pamd /etc/atalk/papd.conf /sbin/init.d/atalk

YET:

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root@heretic:/home/bartosh > ls /sbin/init.d/a acct argus arkeia at

now- I know I didn't rm it.... just too weird for words. Ideas??

I'm getting in on this awfully late (sorry, I missed the original post), but did you know that `locate' depends on `updatedb', which is only called once per calendar day? You can call it manually (as root) as well. -- -=|JP|=- Jon Pennington | Atipa Linux Solutions -o) jpennington@atipa.com | Kansas City, MO /\\ 816-241-2641 x107 | http://www.atipa.com _\_V -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

Jon Pennington wrote:

On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Michael Salmon wrote:

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Yatsen Ng wrote:

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Hi there,

What are the main differences between Solaris and (let's say SuSE) Linux from a user's point of view?

From a user's point of view the differences are small, very small indeed if you install kde. Presuming that you run Solaris 7 or later you get logging ufs and, from what I've read ufs is more robust than ext2 which means that you are less likely to badly break you file system. NFS support is much better and you can cache NFS data. As I guess that you are talking about Solaris X86 there are probably more applications for Linux than Solaris but Solaris can run Linux binaries (in Solaris 8 IIRC). Probably the biggest plus, from a user's point of view, for Solaris is the volume manager.

It should be pointed out that these have little to do with the *user's* perspective. Though features like the desktop environment (KDE) and the file system (ufs, NFS) are important, they fall under the *administrator's* domain. The *user* never sees any of this. It is up to the *administrator* to make KDE available to the user, likewise ensure that the file system is up to the challenge of every day use, and network shares are appropriately linked.

When I run Linux KDE is what I see most. The file system part is also important to me as a user, I have used smbfs and hfs a couple of times, never as an administrator. /Michael -- This space intentionally left non-blank. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

Jon Pennington wrote:

On Wed, 16 Feb 2000, Michael Salmon wrote:

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When I run Linux KDE is what I see most. The file system part is also important to me as a user, I have used smbfs and hfs a couple of times, never as an administrator.

KDE is what you see because that's what the administrator wants you to see. That's not to say that you can't (as a user) change that in most situations, but if your administrator would rather you use twm, he/she/it could find a way to make that happen.

On the same note, using smbfs and hfs are not tasks that average users undertake. If you had to use those, that would mean that your administrator was not doing his job, or you simply have too much free time ;).

A *user* needs three things:

1. An environment to work in (KDE, X by itself, or a simple console) 2. A toolset to do thier work with (Word processor, CAD application, etc.) 3. A place to put thier work (/home/$USER/work, /dev/lp0, ftp:// etc.)

If these three things are not provided, the administrator is not doing thier job. My wife (a user) doesn't care about sharing files with the Mac user in the next apartment over, but if she did, it would be my job (as the administrator) to ensure that these paths are provided.

So there is no difference between Solaris, Linux or CP/M for that matter. The various OS's only make life easier or harder for administrators. Given that then as a user I would want the OS that gives me the widest range of applications and hardware support and my administrator has the job of making it work. /Michael -- This space intentionally left non-blank. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

Hello, Ummm..it may be just me, but no one has mentioned that Solaris runs on as many as 64 cpus right now, it's 64bit and many other things. I know this is not an "end user" thing. There are a great many differences between Linux and Solaris. BTW..I have tons of GNU software that I compiled or added via package to my Ultra 10 and it all works. It's the same as if I was on my Linux box .. satisfy the deps and it should work...*shrug* just my 0.02

So there is no difference between Solaris, Linux or CP/M for that matter. The various OS's only make life easier or harder for administrators. Given that then as a user I would want the OS that gives me the widest range of applications and hardware support and my administrator has the job of making it work.

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