[opensuse] Can I use one of the virtualizers?
I have a laptop (hpdv6000) that's too old to have the Intel vt extensions, so I can't use Xen to virtualize directly my installed Windows XP. But I'd really like to get away from the dual-boot situation so I can use both suse and xp easily. My problem is that virtualbox and vmware, from what I've read, require that I install xp under the virtualizer so it can modify the xp code to run under it. But my laptop shipped with a "restore" disk, which starts restoration by wiping the hard drive and copying xp onto the single-partition disk. I don't have an installable copy of xp for my laptop. Can anyone suggest a way around this problem? John Perry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 09:51, John E. Perry wrote:
I have a laptop (hpdv6000) that's too old to have the Intel vt extensions, so I can't use Xen to virtualize directly my installed Windows XP. But I'd really like to get away from the dual-boot situation so I can use both suse and xp easily.
My problem is that virtualbox and vmware, from what I've read, require that I install xp under the virtualizer so it can modify the xp code to run under it. But my laptop shipped with a "restore" disk, which starts restoration by wiping the hard drive and copying xp onto the single-partition disk. I don't have an installable copy of xp for my laptop.
Can anyone suggest a way around this problem?
If you have a valid Windows XP key with your restore disk you can install from any (borrowed) copy of Windows XP (DVD or ISO). Windows ownership is tied to the key, not the install media. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 03/25/2010 03:55 AM, C wrote:
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 09:51, John E. Perry wrote:
I have a laptop (hpdv6000) that's too old to have the Intel vt extensions, so I can't use Xen to virtualize directly my installed Windows XP. But I'd really like to get away from the dual-boot situation so I can use both suse and xp easily.
My problem is that virtualbox and vmware, from what I've read, require that I install xp under the virtualizer so it can modify the xp code to run under it. But my laptop shipped with a "restore" disk, which starts restoration by wiping the hard drive and copying xp onto the single-partition disk. I don't have an installable copy of xp for my laptop.
Can anyone suggest a way around this problem?
If you have a valid Windows XP key with your restore disk you can install from any (borrowed) copy of Windows XP (DVD or ISO). Windows ownership is tied to the key, not the install media.
C.
NOT completely true. I have a legit copy of Windows XP and key from my laptop. Tried to install it on my desktop and kept giving me a message - something - about registration / after 30 days it will not boot. So it sounds like the key IS tied to a system. Duaine -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding Reed Organ Society Member Florissant, MO 63034 (314) 838-5587 dahechler@att.net www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com -- Home & Business user of Linux - 10 years -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2010-03-25 at 04:02 -0500, Duaine Hechler wrote:
I have a legit copy of Windows XP and key from my laptop. Tried to install it on my desktop and kept giving me a message - something - about registration / after 30 days it will not boot.
So it sounds like the key IS tied to a system.
Especially for a OEM key. I have an ACER laptop that came with XP. I tried to use the key to install windows elsewhere, and it did not like the media. The OEM key worked with the ACER restore version of windows that ACER supply with the PC, not a standard install CD. At least that is the conclusion I came to. Both CDs were genuine CDs. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag, 25. März 2010 schrieb Duaine Hechler:
[...] I have a legit copy of Windows XP and key from my laptop. Tried to install it on my desktop and kept giving me a message - something - about registration / after 30 days it will not boot.
So it sounds like the key IS tied to a system.
Sure! You cannot use the same key twice (on systems that XP is able to distinguish between). However, you should be able to activate the key on the second system. But, then you will lose the activation on the first system. Using VirtualBox, you could fake the DMI BIOS settings to match the ones of the first system. Then, you should not have to reactivate, see: http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9697 Gruß Jan -- Reality is for those people who can't cope with drugs. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag, 25. März 2010 schrieb C:
[...] If you have a valid Windows XP key with your restore disk you can install from any (borrowed) copy of Windows XP (DVD or ISO). Windows ownership is tied to the key, not the install media.
AFAIK, an XP key is bound to any install media of the same type and language. That is, for an English OEM Professional key you need an English OEM Professional CD. Anyway, only read it, never tried myself! Gruß Jan -- Wear the right costume and the part plays itself. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 25/03/10 09:35, Jan Ritzerfeld wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 25. März 2010 schrieb C:
[...] If you have a valid Windows XP key with your restore disk you can install from any (borrowed) copy of Windows XP (DVD or ISO). Windows ownership is tied to the key, not the install media.
AFAIK, an XP key is bound to any install media of the same type and language. That is, for an English OEM Professional key you need an English OEM Professional CD.
Yes, there is a distinction between a retail CD and an OEM CD. Beyond that there shouldn't be a difference, assuming you activate the license on only one computer, and its hardware is not too different to the original computer. I have been able to create my own slipstreamed Windows XP SP3 OEM CD's and install off them using the OEM key on a label. The computer passes Windows Genuine Validation Activation Verification DRM and all the other nonsense MS throws at it. Though that was on real hardware, I don't know if MS will be happy about using an OEM key in a virtualized environment ... presumably the hardware would show up as different to the original PC. Regards, Tejas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag, 25. März 2010 schrieb Tejas Guruswamy:
[...] Though that was on real hardware, I don't know if MS will be happy about using an OEM key in a virtualized environment ... presumably the hardware would show up as different to the original PC.
Using VirtualBox, you can tweak your DMI BIOS settings: http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9697 And, using Vista Business, there seems to be no problem using the Lenovo OEM key with a standard installation CD in a VirtualBox machine. Nonetheless, without changing the DMI BIOS settings, I had to call Microsoft for reactivation. Gruß Jan -- A competent and self-confident person is incapable of jealousy in anything. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag, 25. März 2010 schrieb John E. Perry:
[...] My problem is that virtualbox and vmware, from what I've read, require that I install xp under the virtualizer so it can modify the xp code to run under it.
Really? According to http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Guest_OSes the only Windows that would need VT-x or similar is 98. However, I never tried to install XP, thus, you could be right. BTW, where did you read this?
But my laptop shipped with a "restore" disk, which starts restoration by wiping the hard drive and copying xp onto the single-partition disk.
AFAIK, it is not possible to use recovery CD or similar. At least, I did not find another answer than "no" on http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewforum.php?f=2
I don't have an installable copy of xp for my laptop.
Try to get an OEM installation CD of the same type (language, Home/Professional).
Can anyone suggest a way around this problem?
You could try to import your native installation, but this does not seem to be that easy: http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?t=1966 Gruß Jan -- For every action, there is an equal and opposite government program. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2010/03/25 04:51 (GMT-0400) John E. Perry composed:
I have a laptop (hpdv6000) that's too old to have the Intel vt extensions, so I can't use Xen to virtualize directly my installed Windows XP. But I'd really like to get away from the dual-boot situation so I can use both suse and xp easily.
My problem is that virtualbox and vmware, from what I've read, require that I install xp under the virtualizer so it can modify the xp code to run under it. But my laptop shipped with a "restore" disk, which starts restoration by wiping the hard drive and copying xp onto the single-partition disk. I don't have an installable copy of xp for my laptop.
Can anyone suggest a way around this problem?
1-Anyone who buys any system new should insist that true installation media either be provided, or an available option, as insurance against the many HDs that die prematurely, and as a way to escape from the typical garbageware clutter that comes preinstalled by major vendors like HP. No recovery partition exists on replacement HDs. Check with Lenovo about availability of true installation media, which should be available at nominal cost as an alternative to "restore" media. 2-Systems that ship with no installation media often have some utility that enables you to burn your own installation media from the installed system. 3-AIUI, utilities exist, not provided by Micro$oft, to modify installation media, that enable installation from any compatible original media and any valid installation key, compatible meaning e.g. a Professional key must be used with the Professional XP media. see also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NLite_and_vLite -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 03/25/2010 09:27 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2010/03/25 04:51 (GMT-0400) John E. Perry composed:
I have a laptop (hpdv6000) ......
1-Anyone who buys any system new should insist that true installation media either be provided, or an available option, as insurance against the many HDs that die prematurely, ... Check with Lenovo about availability of true installation media, which should be available at nominal cost as an alternative to "restore" media.
My hp (:-) laptop came with both a recovery partition and a dvd. It wasn't until I bought a new HD and tried to install xp after partitioning and installing opensuse that I found out that "recovery" doesn't mean "installation". The dvd told me that it was going to "restore my system to the original software configuration". I had no idea that meant "wipe the new HD, make a recovery and a single system partition, and copy xp onto the new system partition". Previous episodes with hp have left such a bad taste in my mouth that it didn't even occur to me to ask about true installation media. I'll look into that, thanks.
2-Systems that ship with no installation media often have some utility that enables you to burn your own installation media from the installed system.
It did. The dvd I burned using the utility is exactly like the dvd that came with the laptop.
3-AIUI, utilities exist, not provided by Micro$oft, to modify installation media, that enable installation from any compatible original media and any valid installation key, compatible meaning e.g. a Professional key must be used with the Professional XP media.
OK, so I do indeed have an xp install disk that I bought for my wife's computer, but others' comments seem to say that won't help. I'll look into the link you gave to see if it might help. Thanks. I just hope that something can overcome the fact that I'm completely unable to find anything like an installation key, and the restore process doesn't even ask for a key. I can't use my wife's key, of course -- she needs her computer, too. jp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2010/03/25 10:12 (GMT-0400) John E. Perry composed:
I just hope that something can overcome the fact that I'm completely unable to find anything like an installation key, and the restore process doesn't even ask for a key. I can't use my wife's key, of course -- she needs her computer, too.
Restore incorporates the vendor's generic key, because it's putting the system back into the condition it existed in when delivered. Micro$oft requires vendors to affix the key sticker to the outside of the machine as a license condition. If you bought that machine new and such sticker is not affixed and not removed by you or under your authority, you have some complaining to do upstream. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2010-03-25 at 10:12 -0400, John E. Perry wrote:
I have a laptop (hpdv6000) ...... 1-Anyone who buys any system new should insist that true installation media either be provided, or an available option, as insurance against the many HDs
On 2010/03/25 04:51 (GMT-0400) John E. Perry composed: that die prematurely, ... Check with Lenovo about availability of true installation media, which should be available at nominal cost as an alternative to "restore" media. My hp (:-) laptop came with both a recovery partition and a dvd. It wasn't until I bought a new HD and tried to install xp after
On 03/25/2010 09:27 AM, Felix Miata wrote: partitioning and installing opensuse that I found out that "recovery" doesn't mean "installation". The dvd told me that it was going to "restore my system to the original software configuration". I had no idea that meant "wipe the new HD, make a recovery and a single system partition, and copy xp onto the new system partition". Previous episodes with hp have left such a bad taste in my mouth
All OEMs are the same way; this is nothing specific to HP.
2-Systems that ship with no installation media often have some utility that enables you to burn your own installation media from the installed system. It did. The dvd I burned using the utility is exactly like the dvd that came with the laptop.
This is normal and expected.
3-AIUI, utilities exist, not provided by Micro$oft, to modify installation media, that enable installation from any compatible original media and any valid installation key, compatible meaning e.g. a Professional key must be used with the Professional XP media see also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NLite_and_vLite OK, so I do indeed have an xp install disk that I bought for my wife's computer, but others' comments seem to say that won't help. I'll look into the link you gave to see if it might help. Thanks.
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