[opensuse] hyperkitty is gross, over the top nonsense (from: Clickable web links...)
[new thread] Dave Howorth composed on 2020-11-25 15:03 (UTC):
I think most people have opinions more like mine which is that hyperkitty is gross, over the top nonsense.
I warned various openSUSE list readers at least once each in 2017, 2018 & 2019 about the horror of HyperKitty. I don't see any way to post direct links on any HyperKitty page, nor include even the date of the post, or even find a way to capture the datestamp to include here, which the old archive smartly includes as part of the URL: <https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/project@lists.opensuse.org/thread/VO6JDGFXQ4OEXGKGLXAUJFVKJ4KVWOBS/> <https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2019-12/msg00047.html> <https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2018-07/msg00231.html> <https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2017-06/msg00550.html> The 54k attachment is a 'convert -quality 20' of a .png screenshot of the inane presentation of my 2019 warning (the first URL above). If the attachment gets scrubbed, see it at <http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Suse/osHyperKitty202011.jpg> (if Zito hasn't broken my website again}. Same post (second link above) in the old archive can be see at <http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Suse/osMailman202011.jpg>. Since all the old list archives apparently haven't been switched yet, I hope we can keep them. They're completely usable, diametrically opposite of HyperKitty. -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
On 11/26/20 2:58 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
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Dave Howorth composed on 2020-11-25 15:03 (UTC):
I think most people have opinions more like mine which is that hyperkitty is gross, over the top nonsense. I warned various openSUSE list readers at least once each in 2017, 2018 & 2019 about the horror of HyperKitty. I don't see any way to post direct links on any HyperKitty page, nor include even the date of the post, or even find a way to capture the datestamp to include here, which the old archive smartly includes as part of the URL: <https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/project@lists.opensuse.org/thread/VO6JDGFXQ4OEXGKGLXAUJFVKJ4KVWOBS/> <https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2019-12/msg00047.html> <https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2018-07/msg00231.html> <https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2017-06/msg00550.html>
The 54k attachment is a 'convert -quality 20' of a .png screenshot of the inane presentation of my 2019 warning (the first URL above). If the attachment gets scrubbed, see it at <http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Suse/osHyperKitty202011.jpg> (if Zito hasn't broken my website again}. Same post (second link above) in the old archive can be see at <http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Suse/osMailman202011.jpg>.
Since all the old list archives apparently haven't been switched yet, I hope we can keep them. They're completely usable, diametrically opposite of HyperKitty.
Hiperkitty, or "Hello Kitty" or whatever it is -- is by far the worst web reader for e-mail bar none. You would think whoever was in charge of this effort may have asked the community here for some feed back to prevent just this type of debacle. There are so many good readers out there, and no nobody needs the stupid social media buttons and "Likes" and other distractions on a technical list. It is another bewildering "Kids with Crayons episode where there was apparently no parental supervision being provided (reminds me of the KDE 4.0.4a "Release" as the default desktop with 11.0. Just a bit of "Ask the Community for Feedback" goes a long way to help avoid these train wrecks. How much experience reading lists on line did the person in charge have? The precatory, "I can find a few lists out there, but never really read them that way" level of knowledge? It certainly doesn't seem to be coming from somebody that has many even a "Casual" or at least "Limited" use of such things. It doesn't take much more than a concise listing and the options to sort-threaded and an options to see the thread sorted ascending or descending. All do that very well, except --- the "Hello Kitty" mailer that was just dumped on the community. Let's find another -- quickly... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
On 26/11/2020 11.05, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 11/26/20 2:58 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
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Dave Howorth composed on 2020-11-25 15:03 (UTC):
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Hiperkitty, or "Hello Kitty" or whatever it is -- is by far the worst web reader for e-mail bar none. You would think whoever was in charge of this effort may have asked the community here for some feed back to prevent just this type of debacle.
Please, remember that there was no choice. The web view thing comes with mailman, and the need to migrate from the old mlmmj was forced (and had to be now). So basically it had to be mailman, as probably does every mail list out there that runs Linux.
There are so many good readers out there,
Which can be used with mailman? If there are some they can be considered. For example, I'm looking at one of the kernel mail lists, the XFS one. There is no archive listed in the headers. They are using majordomo as list server. Precedence: bulk List-ID: <linux-xfs.vger.kernel.org> X-Mailing-List: linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org There is an external archive at <https://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-xfs/>. Is this archive compatible with mailman, or only with majordomo? Looking at another mail list. Headers: X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: <dm-crypt.saout.de> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.saout.de/mailman/options/dm-crypt>, <mailto:dm-crypt-request@saout.de?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://www.saout.de/pipermail/dm-crypt/> List-Post: <mailto:dm-crypt@saout.de> List-Help: <mailto:dm-crypt-request@saout.de?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www.saout.de/mailman/listinfo/dm-crypt>, <mailto:dm-crypt-request@saout.de?subject=subscribe> It is an older mailman version (2.1.29). We are using 3.3.1 The archive is here: <https://www.saout.de/pipermail/dm-crypt/> "This archive was generated by Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition)." It is pretty simple. There does not appear to be a search box. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
David C. Rankin wrote:
Hiperkitty, or "Hello Kitty" or whatever it is -- is by far the worst web reader for e-mail bar none. You would think whoever was in charge of this effort may have asked the community here for some feed back to prevent just this type of debacle.
The openSUSE Heroes, a team of volunteers, was in charge. I don't know that anyone had any doubts about Hyperkitty, it is in use in many other places, so setting up a test installation and asking for feedback did not occur to us, no.
There are so many good readers out there,
We don't need a "reader", the requirement is to archive the list. Feel free to propose other email archivers, it can be changed.
How much experience reading lists on line did the person in charge have? The precatory, "I can find a few lists out there, but never really read them that way" level of knowledge? It certainly doesn't seem to be coming from somebody that has many even a "Casual" or at least "Limited" use of such things. It doesn't take much more than a concise listing and the options to sort-threaded and an options to see the thread sorted ascending or descending. All do that very well, except --- the "Hello Kitty" mailer that was just dumped on the community.
Let's find another -- quickly...
Suggestions are much welcome. Also volunteers for setting it up. Or create a new skin for Hyperkitty, also very welcome. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (4.0°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes.
Felix Miata wrote:
Since all the old list archives apparently haven't been switched yet, I hope we can keep them. They're completely usable, diametrically opposite of HyperKitty.
Yes, although the old archives were imported into hyperkitty, we intend to keep them available as we are unable to redirect from old individual messages to new ditto. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (2.8°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes.
On 26/11/2020 09.58, Felix Miata wrote:
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Dave Howorth composed on 2020-11-25 15:03 (UTC):
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Since all the old list archives apparently haven't been switched yet, I hope we can keep them. They're completely usable, diametrically opposite of HyperKitty.
Yes, but they don't have new mails. It is frozen. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On Thu, 26 Nov 2020 03:58:07 -0500 Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> wrote:
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Dave Howorth composed on 2020-11-25 15:03 (UTC):
I think most people have opinions more like mine which is that hyperkitty is gross, over the top nonsense.
I warned various openSUSE list readers at least once each in 2017, 2018 & 2019 about the horror of HyperKitty. I don't see any way to post direct links on any HyperKitty page, nor include even the date of the post, or even find a way to capture the datestamp to include here, which the old archive smartly includes as part of the URL: <https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/project@lists.opensuse.org/thread/VO6JDGFXQ4OEXGKGLXAUJFVKJ4KVWOBS/> <https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2019-12/msg00047.html> <https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2018-07/msg00231.html> <https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2017-06/msg00550.html>
The 54k attachment is a 'convert -quality 20' of a .png screenshot of the inane presentation of my 2019 warning (the first URL above). If the attachment gets scrubbed, see it at <http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Suse/osHyperKitty202011.jpg> (if Zito hasn't broken my website again}. Same post (second link above) in the old archive can be see at <http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Suse/osMailman202011.jpg>.
I don't understand why you posted this message twice, slightly differently? I don't understand why the first link above is to the hyperkitty presentation of a different message to the 2019 warning about hyperkitty? What's its relevance? 'The server at fm.no-ip.com is taking too long to respond.' And I don't understand why you included an image of a post that you already linked to? What I understand from your post(s) is that you don't like HyperKitty and have not liked it for several years, and have said so before. Is that correct or is there something else? Do you have any concrete suggestions for alternative solutions?
Since all the old list archives apparently haven't been switched yet, I hope we can keep them. They're completely usable, diametrically opposite of HyperKitty.
Presumably though, it's not possible to keep updating those for some reason? I guess that's a question for Per or somebody.
On 2020-11-26 09:58, Felix Miata wrote:
I don't see any way to post direct links on any HyperKitty page
The percentage sign down in the right corner you mean that can't be used. Or do misinterpret your statement? Your post for instance: https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/users@lists.opensuse.org/message/YU... -- /bengan
Le 26/11/2020 à 13:17, Bengt Gördén a écrit :
On 2020-11-26 09:58, Felix Miata wrote:
I don't see any way to post direct links on any HyperKitty page
The percentage sign down in the right corner you mean that can't be used. Or do misinterpret your statement?
Your post for instance:
https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/users@lists.opensuse.org/message/YU...
may be we simply need some time to learn the new interface? May be fine tune the css (I even didn't see these icons on the lower right of the page, almost invisible :-() thanks jdd -- http://dodin.org
On 26/11/2020 15.13, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 26/11/2020 à 13:17, Bengt Gördén a écrit :
On 2020-11-26 09:58, Felix Miata wrote:
I don't see any way to post direct links on any HyperKitty page
The percentage sign down in the right corner you mean that can't be used. Or do misinterpret your statement?
Your post for instance:
https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/users@lists.opensuse.org/message/YU...
may be we simply need some time to learn the new interface? May be fine tune the css (I even didn't see these icons on the lower right of the page, almost invisible :-()
Even after reading about it here, I had to search a while to find it. I see a: 7 comments 6 participants What's the comments for? I also see that attachments are included - even the PGP public keys that the new Thunderbird attach by default. Maybe openSUSE should consider changing the Thunderbird default to not attach the key. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.1 (Legolas))
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Per Jessen