[opensuse] Virtual machine software options?
Hi, Last year, when I was using WindowsXP, I used VMWare Workstation to run another installation of XP as a guest - primarily to simplify changing machines. I'd like to establish the same setup using openSUSE. I'm currently using openSUSE 10.2. What I'd like to do: - Install a openSUSE 11.0 guest on my current machine. - Move my /home contents to this guest, configure the guest - When the guest is 'the way I need it', backup the guest and do a fresh install of openSUSE 11.0 (possibly 11.1 by then) - Copy the guest over, and resume work... What are the linux VMWare equivalents? Is there a generally acknowledged best-of-breed? Any comments on the advisability of this approach? Specifically: - What cpu, disk and network performance price is to be paid, e.g 10% cpu cost, etc.? I would appreciate any insights or comments. Regards Mark -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 27 June 2008 08:59:39 Mark V wrote:
Hi, Last year, when I was using WindowsXP, I used VMWare Workstation to run another installation of XP as a guest - primarily to simplify changing machines.
I'd like to establish the same setup using openSUSE.
I'm currently using openSUSE 10.2. What I'd like to do: - Install a openSUSE 11.0 guest on my current machine. - Move my /home contents to this guest, configure the guest - When the guest is 'the way I need it', backup the guest and do a fresh install of openSUSE 11.0 (possibly 11.1 by then) - Copy the guest over, and resume work...
What are the linux VMWare equivalents? Is there a generally acknowledged best-of-breed?
Any comments on the advisability of this approach? Specifically: - What cpu, disk and network performance price is to be paid, e.g 10% cpu cost, etc.?
I would appreciate any insights or comments.
Regards Mark
I use VMWare Workstation for Linux with guest OS openSuSe 11.0. The license for VMWare is free. For disk you need 8 GB (default) for the guest OS -- Bogdan Cristea -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 1:14 AM, Bogdan Cristea <cristeab@gmail.com> wrote:
I use VMWare Workstation for Linux with guest OS openSuSe 11.0. The license for VMWare is free.
Where from you got a free license for Workstation? Its listed as 30 day trial on their site, and the price to buy is 189$ -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 27 June 2008 09:51:11 Sunny wrote:
Where from you got a free license for Workstation? Its listed as 30 day trial on their site, and the price to buy is 189$
Sorry, I meant VMWare Server for Linux: http://register.vmware.com/content/download.html -- Bogdan Cristea -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 27 June 2008 14:14:02 Bogdan Cristea wrote:
I use VMWare Workstation for Linux with guest OS openSuSe 11.0. The license for VMWare is free.
I think you mean VMware Server (free download)? There is also VMware Player (free download) which can run VMs created in VMware Workstation (price to be paid after 30 day eval) and VMware Server. There is also Xen virtualisation in openSUSE, which can para-virtualise operating systems whose kernel's have been modified with Xen in mind (most recent Linuxes but _not_ Windows). When combined with Intel-VT and AMD-V processors you can also virtualise non-modified operating systems (older Linuxes and Windows). openSUSE 11.0 also ships with KVM virtualisation which again takes advantage of Intel-VT or AMD-V processors and allows you to virtualise a wide range of operating systems. This is very similar to qemu for virtualisation but better performing. Another option is VirtualBox (now owned by Sun) which also allows virtualisation of a wide range of operating systems. This is also freely available and there is an open source version. (Although free to download, there is no open source VMware) For the original poster the choice of virtualisation technology to use depends upon the usage expected. If it's server virtualisation that is required and it's going to be recent Linux operating systems, then I'd suggest Xen is the stand-out choice. Para-virtualisation should provide the closest to native performance of all the available choices. If Windows or older Linux operating systems are required then my personal preference would be VMware Server/Player. VMware for me has provided the best performance when running Windows and requiring reasonable graphics performance. It's also a nice introduction to VMware in case you ever need to move up to ESX (I know ESX is very different, but the basic concepts remain the same). Xen and KVM could be regarded as the least mature (and perhaps least user friendly tools), but they are being developed at a fast rate and it's certainly an interesting area. Jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
|-----Original Message----- |From: Jonathan Ervine [mailto:jervine@novell.com] : |Xen and KVM could be regarded as the least mature (and perhaps least |user friendly tools), but they are being developed at a fast rate and |it's certainly an interesting area. Do not forget Micro$oft just released hyperV, and as a fruit of the M$-Novell partnership, SLES10 is the only supported linux OS. Still in a 1cpu version, and probably all crappy, but they should not be underestimated. At least I hope they can push vmware on pricing. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/hyperv-supported-guest-os.a... -- MortenB -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Morten Bjørnsvik wrote:
|-----Original Message----- |From: Jonathan Ervine [mailto:jervine@novell.com] : |Xen and KVM could be regarded as the least mature (and perhaps least |user friendly tools), but they are being developed at a fast rate and |it's certainly an interesting area.
Do not forget Micro$oft just released hyperV, and as a fruit of the M$-Novell partnership, SLES10 is the only supported linux OS. Still in a 1cpu version, and probably all crappy, but they should not be underestimated. At least I hope they can push vmware on pricing.
Does hyperV run on Linux too?? /Per Jessen, Zürich -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 3:41 AM, Per Jessen <per@computer.org> wrote:
Does hyperV run on Linux too??
C'mon, this question is appropriate for slashdot only :) Cheers -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 3:41 AM, Per Jessen <per@computer.org> wrote:
Does hyperV run on Linux too??
C'mon, this question is appropriate for slashdot only :) Cheers -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 10:13 -0500, Sunny wrote:
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 3:41 AM, Per Jessen <per@computer.org> wrote:
Does hyperV run on Linux too??
C'mon, this question is appropriate for slashdot only :)
Not really. It just so happens it does run on SUSE. In fact it is only SUSE it runs on. So, of all the Linux discussion lists, this is one to have an interest... -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Kapellgränd 7 P.O. Box 4205 SE-102 65 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 And remember: It is RSofT and there is always something under construction. It is like talking about large city with all constructions finished. Not impossible, but very unlikely. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 10:13 -0500, Sunny wrote:
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 3:41 AM, Per Jessen <per@computer.org> wrote:
Does hyperV run on Linux too??
C'mon, this question is appropriate for slashdot only :)
Not really. It just so happens it does run on SUSE. In fact it is only SUSE it runs on. So, of all the Linux discussion lists, this is one to have an interest...
I must have having too much of this nice caipirinha already, but - are you really saying the hyperV will run on something else besides Windows?? /Per Jessen, Zürich -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 1:59 AM, Mark V <mvyver@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, Last year, when I was using WindowsXP, I used VMWare Workstation to run another installation of XP as a guest - primarily to simplify changing machines.
I'd like to establish the same setup using openSUSE.
I'm currently using openSUSE 10.2. What I'd like to do: - Install a openSUSE 11.0 guest on my current machine. - Move my /home contents to this guest, configure the guest - When the guest is 'the way I need it', backup the guest and do a fresh install of openSUSE 11.0 (possibly 11.1 by then) - Copy the guest over, and resume work...
What are the linux VMWare equivalents? Is there a generally acknowledged best-of-breed?
Any comments on the advisability of this approach? Specifically: - What cpu, disk and network performance price is to be paid, e.g 10% cpu cost, etc.?
I would appreciate any insights or comments.
Regards Mark -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
You have several options to run a VM in Linux. The more popular choices are VMware server, Virtual Box (VB), XEN, and QEMU. All of them are free. I've used VMware, XEN, and Virtual Box with Virtual Box being my current hypervisor of choice. As far as specs and performance go I have a Dell D620 with 1.5 GB of RAM and 1.8 GHx dual core. I typically have one or two VMs running with Windows and Linux installed on 8-10 GB virtual disks, and 256-512 MB of RAM allocated to each VM. The only performance ding that I notice is during start up of the VMs as they are all on the same physical disk as the host. I have not noticed any network performance issues at all, even using a wireless connection. CPU usage depends on what you are doing, but I have rarely seen it go over 30% for any sustained period of time with the average being closer to 15%. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 12:59 AM, Mark V <mvyver@gmail.com> wrote:
What are the linux VMWare equivalents? Is there a generally acknowledged best-of-breed?
There is free VMWare player for linux. You can create online a basic virtual machine (http://www.easyvmx.com/), then run it in the player and install whatever guest you need in it. Also, the old version of VMWare server (1.0) is free as well. The new version 2.0 is free, but it has serious limitation - like no more virtual console. Also, another popular choice is VirtualBox - they even have opensource version (this one has some limitations, like usb support, etc.). For using it under Opensuse, read here: http://en.opensuse.org/VirtualBox Also, as others pointed out, there is XEN, well supported under opensuse. -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Also, another popular choice is VirtualBox - they even have opensource version (this one has some limitations, like usb support, etc.). For using it under Opensuse, read here: http://en.opensuse.org/VirtualBox
Just to second the comment on VirtualBox. I have been using it almost exclusively in place of VMWare. It works very well. It is not a clone of VMWare so some bits run differently, but I find it is "lighter", faster, and more versatile than VMWare... but that's for what I use it for... trhe classic YMMV. It has a nice "seamless" mode that allows you to run the guest OS applications as if they are running right on the host (convenient for example for those times when you have a Windows only application that you must run for business reasons). Worth noting, USB just works in VMWare, and in VirtualBox, you need to do a little (documented) tinkering. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 09:15 +0200, Clayton wrote:
Worth noting, USB just works in VMWare, and in VirtualBox, you need to do a little (documented) tinkering.
I have fiddled with this for a while. I still cannot get my Nokia phone to work. I mean the mode where Windows software will read/write the address book. Windows XP in VBox claims the device exists, but the Nokia Windows software fails to find it. Oh well... -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Kapellgränd 7 P.O. Box 4205 SE-102 65 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 And remember: It is RSofT and there is always something under construction. It is like talking about large city with all constructions finished. Not impossible, but very unlikely. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Mark V wrote:
Hi, Last year, when I was using WindowsXP, I used VMWare Workstation to run another installation of XP as a guest - primarily to simplify changing machines.
I'd like to establish the same setup using openSUSE.
I'm currently using openSUSE 10.2. What I'd like to do: - Install a openSUSE 11.0 guest on my current machine. - Move my /home contents to this guest, configure the guest - When the guest is 'the way I need it', backup the guest and do a fresh install of openSUSE 11.0 (possibly 11.1 by then) - Copy the guest over, and resume work...
What are the linux VMWare equivalents? Is there a generally acknowledged best-of-breed?
Any comments on the advisability of this approach? Specifically: - What cpu, disk and network performance price is to be paid, e.g 10% cpu cost, etc.?
I would appreciate any insights or comments.
Regards Mark
VirtualBox! I have used it through the last four versions and all worked great. With Sun now hosting the project, it will only get better. I haven't used any of the others, but Virtual box has been for the most part flawless and I've never had the guest OS crash, even if it was windows. Version 1.6.2 is current. Download it from: https://cds.sun.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/CDS-CDS_SMI-Site/en_US/-/U... The openSuSE version is missing USB support (license issue), so get a full copy from virtualbox.org. Need not look any farther in your VM search. -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 4:48 PM, David C. Rankin <drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com> wrote:
Mark V wrote:
Hi, Last year, when I was using WindowsXP, I used VMWare Workstation to run another installation of XP as a guest - primarily to simplify changing machines.
I'd like to establish the same setup using openSUSE.
I'm currently using openSUSE 10.2. What I'd like to do: - Install a openSUSE 11.0 guest on my current machine. - Move my /home contents to this guest, configure the guest - When the guest is 'the way I need it', backup the guest and do a fresh install of openSUSE 11.0 (possibly 11.1 by then) - Copy the guest over, and resume work...
What are the linux VMWare equivalents? Is there a generally acknowledged best-of-breed?
Any comments on the advisability of this approach? Specifically: - What cpu, disk and network performance price is to be paid, e.g 10% cpu cost, etc.?
I would appreciate any insights or comments.
Regards Mark
VirtualBox! I have used it through the last four versions and all worked great. With Sun now hosting the project, it will only get better. I haven't used any of the others, but Virtual box has been for the most part flawless and I've never had the guest OS crash, even if it was windows. Version 1.6.2 is current. Download it from:
https://cds.sun.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/CDS-CDS_SMI-Site/en_US/-/U...
The openSuSE version is missing USB support (license issue), so get a full copy from virtualbox.org. Need not look any farther in your VM search.
Hi Group, Thanks for the feedback and suggestions. It seems VirtualBox is widely used, with success. It looks like KVM + QEMU are rapidly advancing, and xenner looks interesting - but since I don't have such a modern CPU (having virualization support) on my laptop, I'll go with VirtualBox! Cheers Mark
-- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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