On 01/04/2012 10:25 AM, jdd wrote:

Le 04/01/2012 16:46, David C. Rankin a écrit :

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Guys,

What is the chromium browser doing with 'spdy' and what all

spdy or spyd?

just wondering :-)

jdd

SPDY (pronounced speedy) is an experimental networking protocol developed primarily at Google for transporting web content. It's new to me and if it's communicating with doubleclick.net, I'm concerned with the personal information it's grabbing and sending to google behind my back. More investigation is warranted... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Wednesday, January 04, 2012 10:56:39 AM David C. Rankin wrote:

On 01/04/2012 10:25 AM, jdd wrote:

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Le 04/01/2012 16:46, David C. Rankin a écrit :

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Guys,

What is the chromium browser doing with 'spdy' and what all

spdy or spyd?

just wondering :-)

jdd

SPDY (pronounced speedy) is an experimental networking protocol developed primarily at Google for transporting web content.

It's new to me and if it's communicating with doubleclick.net, I'm concerned with the personal information it's grabbing and sending to google behind my back. More investigation is warranted...

Glad you posted this. Have you tried commenting out the ppdy lines? I may try it later today. Thtas why I have not used google for a search engine they spy. Only use chromium as a backup browser but I'd bet if you look at FireFox their spying also. -- Russ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 01/04/2012 03:24 PM, David C. Rankin pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

On 01/04/2012 01:30 PM, upscope wrote:

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On Wednesday, January 04, 2012 10:56:39 AM David C. Rankin wrote:

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On 01/04/2012 10:25 AM, jdd wrote:

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Le 04/01/2012 16:46, David C. Rankin a écrit :

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Guys,

What is the chromium browser doing with 'spdy' and what all

spdy or spyd?

just wondering :-)

jdd

SPDY (pronounced speedy) is an experimental networking protocol developed primarily at Google for transporting web content.

It's new to me and if it's communicating with doubleclick.net, I'm concerned with the personal information it's grabbing and sending to google behind my back. More investigation is warranted...

Glad you posted this. Have you tried commenting out the ppdy lines? I may try it later today. Thtas why I have not used google for a search engine they spy. Only use chromium as a backup browser but I'd bet if you look at FireFox their spying also.

No doubt,

Data mining has become a "Big Brother" big business. The nefarious purposes to which it can be put are equally alarming. The bizarre application of this type of mining became apparent just a day or two ago when a report was issued concerning what type of sites those who visited the respective political party sites had also visited. The report was either an NBC or NPR piece.

The details are unimportant, the unnerving part of it was that these folks that broker in data mining could accurately categorize political persuasion by statistically looking at the browsing history (and equally alarming 'subsequent browsing behavior') of people that visited various sites.

This private information could then be further used by political campaigns to either target favorable voters for support and contribution or worse, target individuals who favor the opposition candidate with negative ads to dissuade voting -- all further corrupting an already perverted process.

This being done and facilitated by the developers of the competing browsers.

I always knew there was a corrupt motive behind browser development, the extent to which is yet unknown, but it would serve us all well to know what type of information we are giving up, how it is being collected and to whom it is being communicated...

There should be some mandatory type disclosure on software of what information is collected and how it is used. Yes, I know the infamous privacy statement, but we all know that is so full of dishonest legal weasel words as to effectively mask how the data is being collected and how it will ultimately be used. Damn lawyers...

If you do not want your pc's sending data to these sites block them in your router. If you can't talk to them you can't send them any data. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Dave Howorth said the following on 01/05/2012 05:30 AM:

Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:

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If you do not want your pc's sending data to these sites block them in your router. If you can't talk to them you can't send them any data.

How quaint :) I used to have a lot of lines in my /etc/hosts file:

127.0.0.1 doubleclick.net

But nowadays Adblock, NoScript and Ghostery seem to do a reasonable job if you're using Firefox.

Indeed they do; I particularly like Adblock freeing up the space on the page that the advert would have occupied. But that doesn't address the OP's issue. That gets back to a routing problem. Yes, ultimately you need your router to have a large list of disabled addresses, but DNS can go a long way to figuring out what those addresses are. Check out http://pgl.yoyo.org/ for a number of tools and strategies and databases for addressing this. -- "Conviction is worthless unless it is converted into conduct." -- Thomas Carlyle. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

David C. Rankin said the following on 01/05/2012 12:54 PM:

On 01/05/2012 04:30 AM, Dave Howorth wrote:

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How quaint :) I used to have a lot of lines in my /etc/hosts file:

127.0.0.1 doubleclick.net

Hehe! I hadn't thought of doing it that way, but that is pretty darn slick!

[11:52 phoenix:/etc/postfix] # ping doubleclick.net PING phoenix.rlfpllc.com (127.0.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from phoenix.rlfpllc.com (127.0.0.1): icmp_req=1 ttl=64 time=0.056 ms 64 bytes from phoenix.rlfpllc.com (127.0.0.1): icmp_req=2 ttl=64 time=0.054 ms ^C

Old dog - new trick!

Actually its a bit lame. If the page you are viewing references a site you want nulled out, and advert you don't wish to see, then its going to try "http://127.9.9.1/whatever" and since you don't have server there dishing out a null page you browser is gong to wait ... and wait ... and wait .. and time out. A good way to kill your browser's performance. What you want is something that listens on port 80, perhaps using the XINET daemon and then invokes a shell script that merely uses 'echo' to respond <html><head></head><body></body></html> Big deal, eh? -- He had occasional flashes of silence, that made his conversation perfectly delightful. Sydney Smith, referring to Macaulay -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan said the following on 01/05/2012 03:06 PM:

* Anton Aylward [01-05-12 14:00]:

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Actually its a bit lame.

really not so, try it....

Really is so when I tried it a few years ago.

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A good way to kill your browser's performance.

no, you get an instantaneous responce, "Object not found!"

YMMV. Even if that's so it may well buqqer-up your page payout/rendering. better to have a guaranteed "blank" page:

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What you want is something that listens on port 80, perhaps using the XINET daemon and then invokes a shell script that merely uses 'echo' to respond

<html><head></head><body></body></html>

Big deal, eh?

something else to try... :^)

Of course having the Adblock plugin is better in a number of ways. As I pointed out earlier, it also shrinks down the space on the page that the advert would have taken up so you get more of the real content of the page rendered and faster. It also have mechanisms for maintaining its own list of blocked sites and updating that so you don't have to mess around with /etc/hosts. There is, however a "but". AdBlock only works for things that use AdBlock plug-ins. Firefox, Chrome, Thunderbird ... But what about KMail? Evolution? Yes, adverts in email? Many messages are in HTML and have embedded links to graphics and adverts that get downloaded when you view the message. That's where the use of /etc/hosts or perhaps your DNS service comes in. And don't bet that all rendering engines won't wait and wait and wait to time-out. There's good reason to use FF & T'Bird: plug-ins. -- It's important to have good cryptography even on small platforms because otherwise someone will hack your nanites to give you a really silly hairstyle. -- Bruce Schneier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 01/05/2012 02:29 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:

Of course having the Adblock plugin is better in a number of ways.

Agreed, but I had to ding the devs of Adblock for their recent slip in of the default setting to: "Allow some non-intrusive advertising" WTF?? It appeared and smelled like a sellout. When the add-on update hit my kids boxes, and they had no idea what this was, and I was shocked to find it enabled by default. Hopefully Adblock will re-think the cost to its reputation for this 'let the ads that pay us in' option... (yes I see that it is only for small ads, yada yada yada.. right bucko) If you haven't checked, go to: Edit->Preferences->Add-ons->Adblock Plus->Filter Preferences, then uncheck: [x] Allow some non-intrusive advertising Good grief! -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2012-01-06 at 16:04 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:

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[x] Allow some non-intrusive advertising

Good grief!

Next to that disabling box is "Read More" and when you do read more it states:

What is this about?

Starting with Adblock Plus 2.0 you can allow some of the advertising that is considered not annoying. By doing this you support websites that rely on advertising but choose to do it in a non-intrusive way. And you give these websites an advantage over their competition which encourages other websites to use non-intrusive advertising as well. In the long term the web will become a better place for everybody, not only Adblock Plus users. Without this feature we run the danger that increasing Adblock Plus usage will make small websites unsustainable.

I agree with that. In fact, I disabled the entire list of sites it normally blocked, and instead I manually block those that bother me. Those that float in the middle of the window and keep there while I move up and down, molesting. I don't care about those adverts that keep politely on the side. The web sites have to make a profit. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk8J0xUACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XXqQCgi8bfz66AbvJ8dDkKAcEXDqTS ev4An2rsTH3FNOnTLG3+1cRrFSjKyUQZ =2FI9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward wrote:

Patrick Shanahan said the following on 01/05/2012 03:06 PM:

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* Anton Aylward [01-05-12 14:00]:

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Actually its a bit lame. really not so, try it....

Really is so when I tried it a few years ago.

Dunno what you did wrong, but it works for me and others, so it seems the problem is at your end.

Even if that's so it may well buqqer-up your page payout/rendering. better to have a guaranteed "blank" page:

FUD. It doesn't cause problems in real-life use, and since you couldn't get it to work, you don't use it and don't know! :-P

Yes, adverts in email? Many messages are in HTML

You let HTML messages display???? I'm really surprised. Still, horses for courses, YMMV etc. Cheers, Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Dave Howorth said the following on 01/06/2012 06:54 AM:

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Even if that's so it may well buqqer-up your page payout/rendering. better to have a guaranteed "blank" page: FUD. It doesn't cause problems in real-life use, and since you couldn't get it to work, you don't use it and don't know! :-P

I'm not claiming its so for *all* pages but there are ones that do get buqqered up if you simply time-out access to embedded adverts rather than use the AdBlock technique of removing the screen real-estate they occupy. My point being there are some perverse page/css/layout designers out there. I've seen many rococo pages that could have been done with a fraction the effort, the amount of css/JavaScript. Just as some manager seem to measure productivity by the volume of code their programmers produce rather than what it does, I suspect some immature web page designers think they are being more productive, smarter, whatever, by producing voluminous and unstable (and often unportable) web page designs. As you say, YMMV.

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Yes, adverts in email? Many messages are in HTML You let HTML messages display???? I'm really surprised. Still, horses for courses, YMMV etc.

In case you haven't noticed my occasional DotSigBlock: /"\ \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN X AGAINST HTML EMAIL / \ AND POSTINGS No, I don't display HTML and don't partake, but sadly many people I deal with do, even when I ask them not to. I explain the pointlessness of it, the risks and how its so often used to trick people into going to sites other than the ons they think they are going to visit, variations on phishing and all the rest, but they still persist. One guy, working at a school board, claims that its 'corporate standard' because they need to be able to display large fonts. Yes, that doesn't make sense to me either, but he insists it does and it is. Given my druthers, I set up clients with DNS level blocking as well as using AdBlock and the DNS blocking includes an update for known malware sites, so even if they do succumb to the idiocies of phishing etc etc etc And yes I know its playing catch-up after the fact but then so is the AV software that their corporate auditors and their PCI:DSS auditors insist they use. -- Intruder Alert Black channels of unknown song Whisper through your walls -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 01/04/2012 04:46 PM, Bob Williams wrote: <snip>

Take a look at https://www.startpage.com/

Damn lawyers...

:-)

Bob

Then look at https://www.startpage.com/eng/terms-and-conditions.html Damn lawyers... :-) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Thursday, January 05, 2012 12:18:06 PM Bob Williams wrote:

Well, I agree it's not GPL, but I understand that StartPage attempts to hide your browsing history from search engines such as Google.

Maybe I'm wrong - IANAL!

Hmm, if they are proprietary, they are after the money, so what do you think where that will come from? In general, I rather deal with known company that is not intrusive with its adds and shows sensitivity to privacy, as Google did couple of times in the past, then with equally commercial startup that not one knows where they coming from and where they go. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org