In order to get more detailed information about grub I was trying to use "info grub" and got only the information that the command was not found. Somebody know what I am missing in my setup? How do I get info to work?
* Constant Brouerius van Nidek <constant@indo.net.id> [Jun 03. 2003 19:02]:
In order to get more detailed information about grub I was trying to use "info grub" and got only the information that the command was not found. Somebody know what I am missing in my setup? How do I get info to work?
I can suggest installing the package "pinfo" which makes reading info pages a lot less painfull. -- Mads Martin Joergensen, http://mmj.dk "Why make things difficult, when it is possible to make them cryptic and totally illogical, with just a little bit more effort?" -- A. P. J.
Constant Brouerius van Nidek wrote:
In order to get more detailed information about grub I was trying to use "info grub" and got only the information that the command was not found. Somebody know what I am missing in my setup? How do I get info to work?
Install info. If you use YasT, search for info and you should find there's a package called info. It installs to /usr/bin/info. If you want an alternative, you could do worse than run xemacs, which has an interface designed for reading info (probably depends on info being installed). JDL PS (just to avoid flames from zealots) I usually use xemacs in vi mode. -- JDL Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit.
On Tuesday 03 June 2003 20.04, John Lamb wrote:
If you want an alternative, you could do worse than run xemacs, which has an interface designed for reading info (probably depends on info being installed).
Or open konqueror and hit info:<what you're looking for> For example "info:grub" will get you a nice HTML browsable version of the info pages. Saves you learning yet another set of cryptic hotkeys
On Tuesday 03 June 2003 14:05 pm, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Tuesday 03 June 2003 20.04, John Lamb wrote:
If you want an alternative, you could do worse than run xemacs, which has an interface designed for reading info (probably depends on info being installed).
Or open konqueror and hit
info:<what you're looking for>
For example "info:grub" will get you a nice HTML browsable version of the info pages. Saves you learning yet another set of cryptic hotkeys
Wow.... for those of us who detest and won't use info, that tid-bit is a keeper!! Thanks!! -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Bruce S. Marshall bmarsh@bmarsh.com Bellaire, MI 06/03/03 14:21 + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Drew's Law of Highway Biology: "The first bug to hit a clean windshield will land" " directly in front of your eyes"
The 03.06.04 at 02:30, Philipp Thomas wrote:
Saves you learning yet another set of cryptic hotkeys
's' for search, 'l' for last node, normal cursor control, what's cryptic about these?
X'-) I guess you have been using it for so long that you don't see the difficulty any more :-) It is complicated for those of us that started computing with dos, and came to unix/linux much later. That's why I use pinfo instead. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
"Carlos E. R." <robin1.listas@tiscali.es> [Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:13:49]:
It is complicated for those of us that started computing with dos, and came to unix/linux much later. That's why I use pinfo instead.
No, I don't buy that argument. I've been using DOS for very long and navigation in current info is not much different from some of the DOS apps I've known. Philipp
* Philipp Thomas <philipp.thomas@t-link.de> [Jun 06. 2003 00:23]:
It is complicated for those of us that started computing with dos, and came to unix/linux much later. That's why I use pinfo instead.
No, I don't buy that argument. I've been using DOS for very long and navigation in current info is not much different from some of the DOS apps I've known.
Not info. pinfo. -- Mads Martin Joergensen, http://mmj.dk "Why make things difficult, when it is possible to make them cryptic and totally illogical, with just a little bit more effort?" -- A. P. J.
The 03.06.06 at 00:23, Philipp Thomas wrote:
It is complicated for those of us that started computing with dos, and came to unix/linux much later. That's why I use pinfo instead.
No, I don't buy that argument. I've been using DOS for very long and navigation in current info is not much different from some of the DOS apps I've known.
No cursor keys navigation: left arrow doesn't get me back, for example. I have to scroll to the top of the page, position the cursor on top of "Up" or "Prev" to go back, and it just beeps at me. No highlight, no color. I prefer pinfo to info, frankly. And worse of all, no recursive search. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
On Wednesday 04 June 2003 02.30, Philipp Thomas wrote:
Anders Johansson <andjoh@rydsbo.net> [Tue, 3 Jun 2003 20:05:25 +0200]:
Saves you learning yet another set of cryptic hotkeys
's' for search, 'l' for last node, normal cursor control, what's cryptic about these?
One set of hotkeys is OK, but they're not really the same all over, are they? And the ones you mention isn't exactly all there are. I like to think I have a pretty good memory, but I sometimes find myself staring at the screen trying to remember the particular key sequence for less, vi, info or even emacs. It can be a pain at times. But don't ask me, ask the people you are trying to sell SuSE Personal Edition to. There is a reason, is there not, why someone wrote the sax interface to X configuration, the YaST interface to system configuration in general, and there is a reason why you're using KDE instead of blackbox or twm as default window manager. I believe if there is a decent interface for these things, it should at least be mentioned. And konqueror's "intelligent browsing", with "man:foo", "info:foo", "rfc:1234" etc is incredibly useful
The 03.06.06 at 00:34, Anders Johansson wrote:
One set of hotkeys is OK, but they're not really the same all over, are they? And the ones you mention isn't exactly all there are. I like to think I have a pretty good memory, but I sometimes find myself staring at the screen trying to remember the particular key sequence for less, vi, info or even emacs. It can be a pain at times.
Just my point. There are some programs nowdays that do not recognize the cursor keys. For example, I'm using Pine in an xterm. If I want to go to the beginning of the line, I have to press [Ctrl][A], because [home] and [end] beeps at me. If I switch to a text console, [End] works but not [home]. If I want to go left one word, [Ctrl][left] doesn't work on most text programs. Common! This is the 21st century! All keyboards do have cursor keys :-( I don't complain that ^A still work, I complain the cursor keyboard doesn't.
But don't ask me, ask the people you are trying to sell SuSE Personal Edition to.
Exactly! I have a friend that I'm trying to convince to use Linux, and he bought Mandrake, and later SuSE. He want's to buy 8.2 now -- in fact, I'm encouraging him, because I being his "guru", I'll get a free or shared copy ;-) -- He is the windows type, and will not even look at a text configuration program, he wants only point click click... it is the way it is. Don't tell him that it is better a text configuration file - and I do think it is better, but he doesn't eat it. I'm looked at funnily by my group of friends - and even peers - because I'm the one using linux... -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
Anders Johansson <andjoh@rydsbo.net> [Fri, 6 Jun 2003 00:34:45 +0200]:
One set of hotkeys is OK, but they're not really the same all over, are they?
For one set of hotkeys you would have to stick to KDE or gnome apps exclusively. But a normal Linux system is a mixture of very different apps with differing behavior and differing hotkeys and unless you reduce that to a gnome or KDE mono culture it will stay that way.
a pretty good memory, but I sometimes find myself staring at the screen trying to remember the particular key sequence for less, vi, info or even emacs. It can be a pain at times.
I know :) There is a reason I avoid emacs completely and vi as much as I can: it takes a long time to get familiar with a new editor.
I believe if there is a decent interface for these things, it should at least be mentioned. And konqueror's "intelligent browsing", with "man:foo", "info:foo", "rfc:1234" etc is incredibly useful
Depends on you using konqueror :) And it doesn't help much when you're in an xterm window (which I'm most of my work time) and even less on the console. It's much faster to keep my hands on the keyboard and just call info or man than it would be to move my hand to the trackball to navigate in konqueror. Philipp
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