This message addressed specifically at Carl Hartung but anyone who knows the answer to my question is most welcome to respond. Carl, On 15 May in a response to a msg from Erik Jakobsen you wrote (you were quoting from what you had written in the suse-kde mailing list): QUOTE When I first installed SUSE 10.1, I had problems with the new 'online update' system loading down my system and being very uninformative (i.e. cryptic.) After reading a couple of posts on SLE, I uninstalled the following packages: suseRegister rug zen-updater zmd libzypp-zmd-backend (maybe I kept this one due to dependencies?) Then I added the following installation sources in YaST: Base system: http://{mirror}/distribution/SL-10.1/inst-source http://{mirror}/distribution/SL-10.1/non-oss-inst-source The "unofficial" supplementary KDE 3.5.2 'level a' upgrade: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/KDE/update_for_10.1/yast-source [etc] UNQUOTE I am having no luck in doing any updates with the "fix" which Andreas has asked people to test; I cannot do any updates. In the part of your msg I quote above you state that you deleted the 5 (or 4) of the new applications associated with zmd and, after adding the sources you also mention, you updated your system. (You then re-installed zmd etc and zmd etc worked.) My question is: if by deleting the suseRegister etc but NOT re-installing the zmd associated applications would this "reactivate" the YOU updating process - as it was in earlier versions of SuSE - and one could then use YOU and have nothing to do with the broken zmd updating problem? Cheers. -- Indecision is the key to flexibility. -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Thursday 08 June 2006 02:09, Basil Chupin wrote:
This message addressed specifically at Carl Hartung but anyone who knows the answer to my question is most welcome to respond.
On Thursday 08 June 2006 02:17, Basil Chupin wrote:
What did you do to get Yast (I presume you mean YOU) to get it to do updates?
On Thursday 08 June 2006 02:39, Basil Chupin wrote:
I can't get any of this stuff to work. More than just frustrating.
Don't you think three separate, consecutive posts on the same topic is a little extreme, Basil? Carl And, no, I can't answer your direct question without undoing what I've done that's worked and I'm not too keen on doing that! -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
Carl Hartung wrote:
On Thursday 08 June 2006 02:09, Basil Chupin wrote:
This message addressed specifically at Carl Hartung but anyone who knows the answer to my question is most welcome to respond.
On Thursday 08 June 2006 02:17, Basil Chupin wrote:
What did you do to get Yast (I presume you mean YOU) to get it to do updates?
On Thursday 08 June 2006 02:39, Basil Chupin wrote:
I can't get any of this stuff to work. More than just frustrating.
Don't you think three separate, consecutive posts on the same topic is a little extreme, Basil?
They are not 3 consecutive posts on the "same topic". Please do NOT bring in quotes from other threads and other messages into your replies. My messages may have been "consecutive" simply because I just happen to find the time to write my messages but, as you perfectly know, they were in different threads. The one you just replied to is, in fact, a "new" message in so far as I had to go to the archives, find your original message, grab the text I needed from it, and post my message to you under the original threads Subject of, "Updater update" for no other reason than trying to make it easier for you to find what you wrote at that time.
Carl
And, no, I can't answer your direct question without undoing what I've done that's worked and I'm not too keen on doing that!
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On Thursday 08 June 2006 04:27, Basil Chupin wrote:
They are not 3 consecutive posts on the "same topic".
Clearly all three posts related to the package management / updater 'stack' and patch. You need to start *one* thread that deals with your problem holistically. It makes no sense to parse related content out into different threads.
Please do NOT bring in quotes from other threads and other messages into your replies.
I'll quote you as I see fit, Basil. You're not my editor. And don't shout... it's rude. Carl -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Thursday 08 June 2006 04:27, Basil Chupin wrote:
They are not 3 consecutive posts on the "same topic".
Clearly all three posts related to the package management / updater 'stack' and patch. You need to start *one* thread that deals with your problem holistically. It makes no sense to parse related content out into different threads.
Please do NOT bring in quotes from other threads and other messages into your replies.
I'll quote you as I see fit, Basil. You're not my editor. And don't shout... it's rude.
Carl Basil, Carl seems to be overly concerned with "pure" threads, so he might spend more time correcting how you post instead of helping you. I too had problems with getting the patch. I think I got it with my first on line update from yast,
On Thursday 08 June 2006 02:26, Carl Hartung wrote: that's the tool i normally use, however every time i tried it it barfed, died and even removed it's icon from the task bar. Can you get a list of updates to show up on Yast's on line update? If you can, spend the time to click on each individual entry you want installed, on both the available and installation columns. switch to the update icon for installed, just the check mark if it is a fresh install. That's the only way I have been able to update. Simply looking at the list and pressing <accept> at the bottom does not install any updates. i think the 10.1 yast gets confused about what's installed and needs an upgrade, so you must manually tell it. dimitris -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 08:36 -1000, kanenas@hawaii.rr.com wrote:
On Thursday 08 June 2006 02:26, Carl Hartung wrote:
On Thursday 08 June 2006 04:27, Basil Chupin wrote:
They are not 3 consecutive posts on the "same topic".
Clearly all three posts related to the package management / updater 'stack' and patch. You need to start *one* thread that deals with your problem holistically. It makes no sense to parse related content out into different threads.
Please do NOT bring in quotes from other threads and other messages into your replies.
I'll quote you as I see fit, Basil. You're not my editor. And don't shout... it's rude.
Carl Basil, Carl seems to be overly concerned with "pure" threads, so he might spend more time correcting how you post instead of helping you.
First off, if you hijack a thread that someone is ignoring then you won't get their input and it might be exactly what you are looking for. Some of the threads currently going on get bit-bucketed by me without even reading what's being discussed. If you want someone's help then you ought to make it easy for them do help you.
I too had problems with getting the patch. I think I got it with my first on line update from yast, that's the tool i normally use, however every time i tried it it barfed, died and even removed it's icon from the task bar.
Well I've got it to the point that it seems to be checking on updates, but I'm not sure.
Can you get a list of updates to show up on Yast's on line update? If you can, spend the time to click on each individual entry you want installed, on both the available and installation columns. switch to the update icon for installed, just the check mark if it is a fresh install. That's the only way I have been able to update. Simply looking at the list and pressing <accept> at the bottom does not install any updates. i think the 10.1 yast gets confused about what's installed and needs an upgrade, so you must manually tell it. dimitris
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On Friday 09 June 2006 17:35, Mike McMullin wrote:
First off, if you hijack a thread that someone is ignoring then you won't get their input and it might be exactly what you are looking for.
Basil didn't hijack a thread, Mike, he opened up three consecutive threads discussing his problems with the package management / updater stack. Apparently, neither he nor Dimitris recognize that this is inefficient and fairly rude. This point is succinctly framed by your next comment:
If you want someone's help then you ought to make it easy for them [to] help you.
Which was my motive in correcting Basil in the first place... make it easier for people to grasp the scope and facts of your problem and you're more likely to be helped. When someone sees that they must 'weed through' multiple threads from the same person to 'cherry pick' out meaningful facts, it becomes much easier to simply ignore and delete the posts and hope that person gets a clue about how to frame and ask questions on the list... any list, not just SLE. So, thanks for expressing my motivation in clearer terms. regards, Carl -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Friday 09 June 2006 17:35, Mike McMullin wrote:
First off, if you hijack a thread that someone is ignoring then you won't get their input and it might be exactly what you are looking for.
Basil didn't hijack a thread, Mike, he opened up three consecutive threads discussing his problems with the package management / updater stack. Apparently, neither he nor Dimitris recognize that this is inefficient and
fairly rude. This point is succinctly framed by your next comment:
If you want someone's help then you ought to make it easy for them [to] help you.
Which was my motive in correcting Basil in the first place... make it easier for people to grasp the scope and facts of your problem and you're more likely to be helped.
When someone sees that they must 'weed through' multiple threads from the same person to 'cherry pick' out meaningful facts, it becomes much easier to simply ignore and delete the posts and hope that person gets a clue about how to frame and ask questions on the list... any list, not just SLE.
So, thanks for expressing my motivation in clearer terms.
regards,
Carl In an effort to add something related to the thread topic: The automatic update icon disappears from the desktop after the darned thing fails in the middle of an update. I am pretty sure that libzyp was installed by you in my system, but i would like to double check. What is the correct
On Friday 09 June 2006 12:29, Carl Hartung wrote: libzyp version to have? -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
Carl Hartung wrote:
On Friday 09 June 2006 17:35, Mike McMullin wrote:
First off, if you hijack a thread that someone is ignoring then you won't get their input and it might be exactly what you are looking for.
Basil didn't hijack a thread, Mike, he opened up three consecutive threads discussing his problems with the package management / updater stack.
If you are deliberately trying to provoke me then you are well on the way. If you can prove that I "opened up three consecutive threads discussing [my] problems" then I will try and raise my opinion of you from the level it is at right now. None of the threads in which I posted were begun by me. I was simply responding in them. Go the archives and look at who started them.
Apparently, neither he nor Dimitris recognize that this is inefficient and fairly rude. This point is succinctly framed by your next comment:
If you want someone's help then you ought to make it easy for them [to] help you.
Which was my motive in correcting Basil in the first place... make it easier for people to grasp the scope and facts of your problem and you're more likely to be helped.
When someone sees that they must 'weed through' multiple threads from the same person to 'cherry pick' out meaningful facts, it becomes much easier to simply ignore and delete the posts and hope that person gets a clue about how to frame and ask questions on the list... any list, not just SLE.
So, thanks for expressing my motivation in clearer terms.
regards,
Carl
Ummmm. "Clearer terms", eh? -- Indecision is the key to flexibility. -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
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