Le 15/07/2015 18:43, James Knott a écrit :

I have a couple of computers that are 32 bit. However, neither are particularly important, so I guess I'll stick with 13.1(Evergreen) on them.

if 13.1 keeps to be evergreen, yes, but with a 42 long term support, will evergreen subsist? jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Am 15.07.2015 um 19:45 schrieb gumb:

On 15/07/15 18:51, jdd wrote:

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Le 15/07/2015 18:43, James Knott a écrit :

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I have a couple of computers that are 32 bit. However, neither are particularly important, so I guess I'll stick with 13.1(Evergreen) on them.

if 13.1 keeps to be evergreen, yes, but with a 42 long term support, will evergreen subsist?

jdd

I assume Evergreen 13.1 will remain after 42.1 comes along, for the very reason that it supports some users with older hardware when there are disruptive changes in new releases. I still have 13.1 on a couple of my machines, however, I believe that only takes us up to November of next year. Does Evergreen provide 3 years' support from release date, or 3 years after the end of official support?

The statement was "at least three years in total". And honestly with Leap 42.1 I'm not sure that it will finally come into existence for that timeframe. With that game changer (Leap) I don't know if we get enough contributions for Evergreen 13.1. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Is there a race going on to see which major distro will be the first to make Internet via PC for richer people only? https://ml.mageia.org/l/arc/dev/2015-06/msg00187.html https://ml.mageia.org/l/arc/dev/2015-07/msg00183.html Which other distro(s) are in the race? openSUSE's been good to and for me, but in the forseeable future, 5 more years at least, likely a dozen or more, if and when 32 bit support on it ceases, and unless it loses the race in a big way, my time will be moved to a distro empathetic to the landfills and the poor. That said, the meaningful place to discuss this would be one including the bulk of those creating it, e.g. opensuse-factory and/or opensuse-project, and you might want to first investigate what's already been said on the subject. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-07-15 21:57, Felix Miata wrote:

That said, the meaningful place to discuss this would be one including the bulk of those creating it, e.g. opensuse-factory and/or opensuse-project, and you might want to first investigate what's already been said on the subject.

They didn't say much. I popped the question, considering that Tumbleweed does support 32 bits. They are not very interested. I have a server machine which is 32 bit, running 13.1 now. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlWnAmUACgkQja8UbcUWM1wubwD+PAWyTVBlbG2Y2k9bi+DLeDax duJDys9ZE6lZJh2FZqMA/3DtEXWMMrW5wLBN5NYbUzw58WEfduBk7bSLn+pxteUG =D1P1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 07/16/2015 08:48 AM, Christopher Myers wrote:

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James Knott 07/15/15 11:43 AM >>> I have a couple of computers that are 32 bit. However, neither are particularly important, so I guess I'll stick with 13.1(Evergreen) on them.

Same here. One is my work machine (a ThinkPad W530,) which needs to be 32-bit for my sanity (when I built it a couple of years ago, 12.x would NOT support 64-bit on it no matter what I tried (wouldn't even complete booting,) but 32-bit worked fine. So I've just been upgrading it since then so that I don't have to lose all of my installed software and settings....) Eventually we'll hopefully get new machines, and then I can look at 64-bit, but not until that point.

I've been running 64 bit for 10 years now. My Thinkpad E520, which I bought almost 4 years ago, runs fine on 64 bit. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

It appears to me that i586 builds are little less RAM-consuming, so I prefer to use them on minimal install VMs and limiting them to 128-192 MB RAM when I need something temporary or low-profile to run which I do not want to install on host machine. So I'll be more than happy if at least the SLE part of :42 will be still available in 32 bits. But again, if the team says there is not enough manpower - better concentrate resources on x86_64 version. On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 5:58 PM, jdd wrote:

I wouldn't mind if we can keep at least *one* openSUSE 32 bits. I don't see really the use case for tumbleweed and would much better prefere 42, but keeping 13.1 is ok for me.

I routinely install 32 bits version on recycled computers I (my linux user group) give for free to people needing them

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-07-17 11:32, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

I build openSUSE images with KIWI. These boot with PXE and are diskless in that all changes are in RAM. The application software they run is obtained via NFS, so it is kept up-to-date without remaking the boot images. The hardware on which these run are 32-bit. They are PCs on VME cards that control other VME cards (via a device driver I have in OBS that is automatically rebuilt as kernels for openSUSE are updated). I have no option to update these to 64-bit hardware.

Obviously, a 32-bit release cannot be maintained for my strange use. Too bad. I can think of alternatives. But the current solution works so nice!

If you find a nice 32 bit distribution, please say :-) (I have a 32 bit server, and I don't want to purchase another hardware till it breaks down) - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlWoz4QACgkQja8UbcUWM1yizAD/YDGQWQ5imwCIsxzkl1d4LUPW pjfbgfWPx+pZs04doj4BAJYs7ifPxRyLMFR79Qc30SQg/Z2itBcTQ58XgQ3Xn/mP =ocKh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-07-17 11:51, jdd wrote:

Le 17/07/2015 11:48, Carlos E. R. a écrit :

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If you find a nice 32 bit distribution, please say :-)

(I have a 32 bit server, and I don't want to purchase another hardware till it breaks down)

what about Debian?

Dunno, I barely have used anything else in years but openSUSE. A bit of puppy, whatever clonezilla and other things use... I'd like something similar to openSUSE, that does not feel too unfamiliar. If it is Debian, two friends of mine will be very happy. They have been wanting me to switch over for a long time. What about the packages we get from packman, what does Debian do about them? - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlWo0ooACgkQja8UbcUWM1zBlQEAj+/ENADl7vSF0kQpV8z/49Cd rzD8k/PObGDLyHtLIlYA/3JOiSkfGwe3PB+7fjUCYDCqZJWGJXju/DcKoY6vda1p =sd4S -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

I build openSUSE images with KIWI. These boot with PXE and are diskless in that all changes are in RAM. The application software they run is obtained via NFS, so it is kept up-to-date without remaking the boot images. The hardware on which these run are 32-bit. They are PCs on VME cards that control other VME cards (via a device driver I have in OBS that is automatically rebuilt as kernels for openSUSE are updated). I have no option to update these to 64-bit hardware.

Obviously, a 32-bit release cannot be maintained for my strange use. Too bad. I can think of alternatives. But the current solution works so nice!

There are a few other 32-bit only platforms, typically System-on-a-Chip. AMD Geode comes to mind. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (29.8°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org