[opensuse] SUSE certified laptop
Hi, I wanted no worries so I bought a SUSE certified laptop from TransTec. Later it appeared it had SATA i.s.o. IDE and that was not certified (and didn't work correctly, once in a while everything freezed). TransTec currently has no working laptop for Linux, they will be in a while but I can't wait because I'm going to Oxford for a weak after easter. Q: which SUSE certified laptop works correctly with 10.2? I'm currently thinking about buying a HP, e.g. NC6320 with intel processor, NC6325 with AMD processor. Both are SuSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 10 certified, according to HP. Anybody experience with one of those laptops? What does SUSE certified mean? Does every piece of hardware work? Other recommendations are welcome. It's going to be used for business, no need for a very high 3D framerate although showing compiz can be usefull. The laptop should have firewire, bluetooth, wlan and working suspend/resume using open source drivers. Greetings from a sunny the Netherlands, Aschwin Marsman -- aYniK Software Solutions all You need is Knowledge P.O. box 134 NL-7600 AC Almelo - the Netherlands a.marsman@aYniK.com http://www.aYniK.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hi
I'm currently thinking about buying a HP, e.g. NC6320 with intel processor, NC6325 with AMD processor. Both are SuSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 10 certified, according to HP.
Anybody experience with one of those laptops?
yes, with "older" models, and well all the stuff I wanted to use were working a part from the modem (I was using SuSe Professional 9.3). I have a recent laptop nx9420 with SLED10 on board
What does SUSE certified mean? Does every piece of hardware work?
Not alway, what is means is indicated on the novell's web site. For instance for the HP workstation xw4400 which I just received and I'm currently configuring with SLED10, the certification is detailed at the following page: http://developer.novell.com/yes/87228.htm Regards, Gaël
Onsdag 28 marts 2007 12:00 skrev Gaël Lams:
Hi
I'm currently thinking about buying a HP, e.g. NC6320 with intel processor, NC6325 with AMD processor. Both are SuSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 10 certified, according to HP.
Anybody experience with one of those laptops?
yes, with "older" models, and well all the stuff I wanted to use were working a part from the modem (I was using SuSe Professional 9.3). I have a recent laptop nx9420 with SLED10 on board
What does SUSE certified mean? Does every piece of hardware work?
Not alway, what is means is indicated on the novell's web site. For instance for the HP workstation xw4400 which I just received and I'm currently configuring with SLED10, the certification is detailed at the following page: http://developer.novell.com/yes/87228.htm
Regards,
Gaël
I found that HP say they support all Linux stuff. In reality, they don't. I promisssed myself never ever to recommend an HP laptop anymore. I've good experience with IBM ThinkPads, in particular the R50 line. I've got one with 1G RAM and a 1400x1050 screen. Works really fine with SuSE10.2. My second laptop works just as fine with SuSE10.2, it's a DELL Precision/M90 (!!), it's not a machine I would recommend though, it looks awfull and is really big and heavy. But, performance with SUSE10.2 is excellent. And its Nvidia 1900x1200 screen is excellent. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Verner Kjærsgaard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 12:16 +0200, Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:
I've good experience with IBM ThinkPads, in particular the R50 line. I've got one with 1G RAM and a 1400x1050 screen. Works really fine with SuSE10.2.
I have a similar experience with TP X-40 works great I was running 10 10.1 and 10.2. All the buttons work. Wireless works in wpa. I removed windows and the windows recovery partition so all is suse. If I have to get a new one I would go for the x-60 now. -=terry(Denver)=- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, Teruel de Campo MD wrote:
On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 12:16 +0200, Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:
I've good experience with IBM ThinkPads, in particular the R50 line. I've got one with 1G RAM and a 1400x1050 screen. Works really fine with SuSE10.2.
I have a similar experience with TP X-40 works great I was running 10 10.1 and 10.2. All the buttons work. Wireless works in wpa. I removed windows and the windows recovery partition so all is suse. If I have to get a new one I would go for the x-60 now.
Thanks for all your replies so far, this helps a lot. What's important for me: - Only open source drivers? - How the service is handled. That was perfectly with TransTec, the engineers know what they are talking about.
-=terry(Denver)=-
Best regards, Aschwin Marsman -- aYniK Software Solutions all You need is Knowledge P.O. box 134 NL-7600 AC Almelo - the Netherlands a.marsman@aYniK.com http://www.aYniK.com
We, at the BLU, run Linux installfests every quarter, and the one brand of laptop that tends to be the easiest to install is the Lenovo Thinkpad. While I've had very good luck with HP laptops, I know that many people have had trouble. In contrast, just about every Dell we've encountered has had some difficulty. -- Jerry Feldman <gaf@blu.org> Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9
Jerry Feldman wrote:
We, at the BLU, run Linux installfests every quarter, and the one brand of laptop that tends to be the easiest to install is the Lenovo Thinkpad.
I love Thinkpads. They're all I'll buy anymore. I do have occasional hardware issues with them (I have yet to get suspend/resume, or even automated shutdown, to work on my T22 since I installed SuSE 10.2) but they're the most durable and reliable laptops I've used. The build quality just seems to be a cut above. They're not cheap, though. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 29 March 2007 19:08, David Brodbeck wrote:
Jerry Feldman wrote:
We, at the BLU, run Linux installfests every quarter, and the one brand of laptop that tends to be the easiest to install is the Lenovo Thinkpad.
I love Thinkpads. They're all I'll buy anymore. I do have occasional hardware issues with them (I have yet to get suspend/resume, or even automated shutdown, to work on my T22 since I installed SuSE 10.2) but they're the most durable and reliable laptops I've used. The build quality just seems to be a cut above. They're not cheap, though.
Personally I think they are the best on the market but as IBM found out they are not Linux compatible because it cost to much to make them Linux hardware compatible for the volume of boxes they will initially sell. So what happens is that they are designed for things like Winmodems which makes them more competitive in the MS world. If a manufacture could reasonable expect to get the same chip set in the Winmodems all the time then a manufacture could reasonable create a winmodem for that laptop but modem manufactures\s do not ship the same chipset in every modem. One could of course replace a winmodem with a real modem if it would physically fit in the box which it will not. That becomes a issue then of what does a hardware do. Redesign the physical internal layout of the laptop or write a software modem that will only be used in a very small number of boxes before it has to be changed? All of this bull as you would call it plus the $1800 US is why I have not bought a new laptop to replace the one I dropped. I just do not care about fighting about why Linux is not compatible, or about working 2 to 3 months to make it compatible if the new laptop's modem is not compatible with Linux and you can bet that the newest of the new will be incompatible. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
SOTL wrote:
All of this bull as you would call it plus the $1800 US is why I have not bought a new laptop to replace the one I dropped. I just do not care about fighting about why Linux is not compatible, or about working 2 to 3 months to make it compatible if the new laptop's modem is not compatible with Linux and you can bet that the newest of the new will be incompatible.
You, of course, can make whatever decision suits you. I'm certainly not going to tell you to go out and buy a laptop; it sounds like you don't really need one. Personally, I do, but I rarely have need of a modem because most of the places I travel have either ethernet or wireless Internet available. I also have never spent $1800 on a new laptop for myself. I generally buy used ones, and the compatibility issues are usually well-known by the time a machine is a year or two old. A little web research before I buy generally tells me what I need to know about Linux compatibility. When I'm consulted about purchasing decisions for laptops at work, I usually suggest new Lenovo Thinkpads, but those will be running Windows so hardware compatibility isn't an issue. :) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 29 March 2007 14:42, SOTL wrote:
Personally I think they are the best on the market but as IBM found out they are not Linux compatible because it cost to much to make them Linux hardware compatible for the volume of boxes they will initially sell. So what happens is that they are designed for things like Winmodems which makes them more competitive in the MS world. If a manufacture could reasonable expect to get the same chip set in the Winmodems all the time then a manufacture could reasonable create a winmodem for that laptop but modem manufactures\s do not ship the same chipset in every modem. One could of course replace a winmodem with a real modem if it would physically fit in the box which it will not. That becomes a issue then of what does a hardware do. Redesign the physical internal layout of the laptop or write a software modem that will only be used in a very small number of boxes before it has to be changed?
All of this bull as you would call it plus the $1800 US is why I have not bought a new laptop to replace the one I dropped. I just do not care about fighting about why Linux is not compatible, or about working 2 to 3 months to make it compatible if the new laptop's modem is not compatible with Linux and you can bet that the newest of the new will be incompatible.
I guess you have it all covered and that the end of the discussion.... <NOT> I just brought up my TP X30 modem under 10.2 for the first time. It took me all of 10 minutes to load the pieces. I needed the smartlink-softmodem-2.x.x.x. stuff and I also loaded minicom. That was it. The commands to start the modem are: modprobe snd-intel8x0m /usr/sbin/slmodemd -alsa -c USA hw:1 & Granted, this is for my laptop but there are a lot of similar winmodems using an AC97 chip and there are also OTHER ALSA modem drivers. I think you are painting with a very broad brush without really checking your facts. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
David Brodbeck wrote:
I do have occasional hardware issues with them (I have yet to get suspend/resume, or even automated shutdown, to work on my T22 since I installed SuSE 10.2)
That should say occasional hardware *support* issues...the hardware is fine, but since the upgrade to 10.2 SuSE doesn't seem to be able to work with it. Everything else works, but suspend/resume is no longer possible. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I've good experience with IBM ThinkPads, in particular the R50 line. I've got one with 1G RAM and a 1400x1050 screen. Works really fine with SuSE10.2. I have a similar experience with TP X-40 works great I was running 10 10.1 and 10.2. All the buttons work. Wireless works in wpa. I removed windows and the windows recovery partition so all is suse. If I have to get a new one I would go for the x-60 now.
Agree, very good luck with the Thinkpad laptops in the past. I've set several up for other people and gotten no complaints about things not working. -- -- Adam Tauno Williams Network & Systems Administrator Consultant - http://www.whitemiceconsulting.com Developer - http://www.opengroupware.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
--- Adam Tauno Williams <adamtaunowilliams@gmail.com> wrote:
I've good experience with IBM ThinkPads, in particular the R50 line. I've got one with 1G RAM and a 1400x1050 screen. Works really fine with SuSE10.2. I have a similar experience with TP X-40 works great I was running 10 10.1 and 10.2. All the buttons work. Wireless works in wpa. I removed windows and the windows recovery partition so all is suse. If I have to get a new one I would go for the x-60 now.
Agree, very good luck with the Thinkpad laptops in the past. I've set several up for other people and gotten no complaints about things not working.
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Including the modem? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I am using a ThinkPad R60 at work and it was a real pain with 10.1 despite the fact it is certified for the enterprise desktop it was just a huge pain, until I switched distributions. As far as recommendations here is my .2 cents take everything you hear here into account and go and buy what you want/like. If you talk to enough people you will find that every single laptop/company out there has had some problem of sorts and will continue to do. For example I have a Toshiba at home and have been running linux on it for the last 4 years and do not have major complaints. A friend of mine works for a company a Toshiba shop at the time, all the mother boards burned out at the same time, pretty much, for many employees. So he things it is a bad machine. He is using Dell now with Windows. I remember when I was using Winblows on a Dell P IV workstation the fan would run almost all the time 'cause the blody OS seemed to run explorer.exe at 87-98% full time for no reason. No wonder a mother board would burn especially if cooling is not adequate for such demands. What I am trying to say is you got try the thing with what you use the way you use it and still your millage will vary from the next guy using seemingly the absolute same machine. Good luck and let us know how you made out. George -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
BRUCE STANLEY wrote:
--- Adam Tauno Williams <adamtaunowilliams@gmail.com> wrote:
I've good experience with IBM ThinkPads, in particular the R50 line. I've got one with 1G RAM and a 1400x1050 screen. Works really fine with SuSE10.2.
I have a similar experience with TP X-40 works great I was running 10 10.1 and 10.2. All the buttons work. Wireless works in wpa. I removed windows and the windows recovery partition so all is suse. If I have to get a new one I would go for the x-60 now.
Agree, very good luck with the Thinkpad laptops in the past. I've set several up for other people and gotten no complaints about things not working.
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Including the modem?
The modem in my R31 worked fine, until I lost it to a WiFi upgrade. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 28 March 2007 08:06, BRUCE STANLEY wrote:
--- Adam Tauno Williams <adamtaunowilliams@gmail.com> wrote:
I've good experience with IBM ThinkPads, in particular the R50 line. I've got one with 1G RAM and a 1400x1050 screen. Works really fine with SuSE10.2.
I have a similar experience with TP X-40 works great I was running 10 10.1 and 10.2. All the buttons work. Wireless works in wpa. I removed windows and the windows recovery partition so all is suse. If I have to get a new one I would go for the x-60 now.
Agree, very good luck with the Thinkpad laptops in the past. I've set several up for other people and gotten no complaints about things not working.
--
Including the modem?
Yea right. The modem works in my Thinkpad when I place the HD with Mandrake 10.1 on it in the computer but when I place a different HD with a different OS such as OpenSuSE 10,2 on it in the same Thinkpad the modem does not work. This issue has been discussed here very dramatically several times here in the past. Personally I have given up on every getting to get another laptop to run linux with out either the manufacture installing linux in the laptop or spending weeks correcting all the problems with making all the functions work myself. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 28 March 2007 06:43, Teruel de Campo MD wrote:
On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 12:16 +0200, Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:
I've good experience with IBM ThinkPads, in particular the R50 line. I've got one with 1G RAM and a 1400x1050 screen. Works really fine with SuSE10.2.
I have a similar experience with TP X-40 works great I was running 10 10.1 and 10.2. All the buttons work. Wireless works in wpa. I removed windows and the windows recovery partition so all is suse. If I have to get a new one I would go for the x-60 now.
-=terry(Denver)=-
And you would be very lucky pf it worked at all even if you bought the exact same manufacture with the same model number and the same features. Why? Bord manufactures have a bad habit of putting one set of chips on one board and another set on another and calling them the same thing and that applies to mother boards, video boards, sound boards, modems et. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
If you really need a laptop with everything ready to go in linux another approach is to get it from http://www.emperorlinux.com/ Those guys do a great job. They have a very well written manual that if you are new to linux will save hours of work. They have a good support. So if you get a Lenovo X-60 with suse install you know it will work. The first I got from them I was new to linux, I need it for business, I had to give a lecture and 2 days before traveling came with all installed. I just loaded the presentation and I went. All went perfect. So getting a laptop with linux is not a problem. -=terry(Denver)=- On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 14:21 -0500, SOTL wrote:
On Wednesday 28 March 2007 06:43, Teruel de Campo MD wrote:
On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 12:16 +0200, Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:
I've good experience with IBM ThinkPads, in particular the R50 line. I've got one with 1G RAM and a 1400x1050 screen. Works really fine with SuSE10.2.
I have a similar experience with TP X-40 works great I was running 10 10.1 and 10.2. All the buttons work. Wireless works in wpa. I removed windows and the windows recovery partition so all is suse. If I have to get a new one I would go for the x-60 now.
-=terry(Denver)=-
And you would be very lucky pf it worked at all even if you bought the exact same manufacture with the same model number and the same features. Why? Bord manufactures have a bad habit of putting one set of chips on one board and another set on another and calling them the same thing and that applies to mother boards, video boards, sound boards, modems et.
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--- Teruel de Campo MD <chusty@attglobal.net> wrote:
If you really need a laptop with everything ready to go in linux another approach is to get it from http://www.emperorlinux.com/ Those guys do a great job. They have a very well written manual that if you are new to linux will save hours of work. They have a good support. So if you get a Lenovo X-60 with suse install you know it will work. The first I got from them I was new to linux, I need it for business, I had to give a lecture and 2 days before traveling came with all installed. I just loaded the presentation and I went. All went perfect. So getting a laptop with linux is not a problem.
-=terry(Denver)=-
Do they have their people who can write device drivers? That is what would be needed to get a 56k modem to work. I was under the impression that Emperor Linux was just an OEM type integrator. People seed to forget that laptops are used on the road and sometimes you only have access to the Internet via dial-up. Thus, a laptop without a modem is somewhat useless on the road. I have even triead a fully hardware Zonet PCMCIA modem with various distros on my Thinkpad T-41 and can not get it to work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
BRUCE STANLEY wrote:
--- Teruel de Campo MD <chusty@attglobal.net> wrote:
If you really need a laptop with everything ready to go in linux another approach is to get it from http://www.emperorlinux.com/ Those guys do a great job. They have a very well written manual that if you are new to linux will save hours of work. They have a good support. So if you get a Lenovo X-60 with suse install you know it will work. The first I got from them I was new to linux, I need it for business, I had to give a lecture and 2 days before traveling came with all installed. I just loaded the presentation and I went. All went perfect. So getting a laptop with linux is not a problem.
-=terry(Denver)=-
Do they have their people who can write device drivers? That is what would be needed to get a 56k modem to work.
I was under the impression that Emperor Linux was just an OEM type integrator.
People seed to forget that laptops are used on the road and sometimes you only have access to the Internet via dial-up.
Thus, a laptop without a modem is somewhat useless on the road.
I have even triead a fully hardware Zonet PCMCIA modem with various distros on my Thinkpad T-41 and can not get it to work.
Here's a bit of recent news. http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8436091466.html -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
--- James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> wrote:
BRUCE STANLEY wrote:
--- Teruel de Campo MD <chusty@attglobal.net> wrote:
If you really need a laptop with everything ready to go in linux another approach is to get it from http://www.emperorlinux.com/ Those guys do a great job. They have a very well written manual that if you are new to linux will save hours of work. They have a good support. So if you get a Lenovo X-60 with suse install you know it will work. The first I got from them I was new to linux, I need it for business, I had to give a lecture and 2 days before traveling came with all installed. I just loaded the presentation and I went. All went perfect. So getting a laptop with linux is not a problem.
-=terry(Denver)=-
Do they have their people who can write device drivers? That is what would be needed to get a 56k modem to work.
I was under the impression that Emperor Linux was just an OEM type integrator.
People seed to forget that laptops are used on the road and sometimes you only have access to the Internet via dial-up.
Thus, a laptop without a modem is somewhat useless on the road.
I have even triead a fully hardware Zonet PCMCIA modem with various distros on my Thinkpad T-41 and can not get it to work.
Here's a bit of recent news. http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8436091466.html
From the 'Dell' article:
For cases such as WinModems, for which there are neither open source nor proprietary drivers available, Dell will be encouraging users to substitute a hardware-based modem. "However, we can't substitute hardware-based modems in our notebooks without redesigning and significantly increasing the price of the system. If it's important to you to have a hardware-based modem, you would add one into your PC Card or ExpressCard slot." It does not seem that Dell is going to develop any thing for their WindModems either. What PC Card modems are they talking about? AS I posted last time, I have tried the 'True Hardware' Zonet PC Card modem and can't get it to work. On the box it came in, it even says that it is compatible with Linux that have later kernals, but does not specify which kernal(s) it is talking about. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, March 29, 2007 15:43, BRUCE STANLEY wrote:
From the 'Dell' article:
For cases such as WinModems, for which there are neither open source nor proprietary drivers available, Dell will be encouraging users to substitute a hardware-based modem. "However, we can't substitute hardware-based modems in our notebooks without redesigning and significantly increasing the price of the system.
What nonsense. Exactly how much does it cost to manufacture a hardware modem these days? And why can the hardware bits not be on a daughterboard, like the wireless, bluetooth and other bits are? Hans -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hans du Plooy wrote:
On Thu, March 29, 2007 15:43, BRUCE STANLEY wrote:
From the 'Dell' article:
For cases such as WinModems, for which there are neither open source nor proprietary drivers available, Dell will be encouraging users to substitute a hardware-based modem. "However, we can't substitute hardware-based modems in our notebooks without redesigning and significantly increasing the price of the system.
What nonsense. Exactly how much does it cost to manufacture a hardware modem these days? And why can the hardware bits not be on a daughterboard, like the wireless, bluetooth and other bits are?
Hans
My ThinkPad R31 had a modem on a daughter board, shared with WiFi. It was a software modem that was supported in later versions of SUSE and worked well. Unfortunately, I lost that modem, when I upgraded the WiFi. However, there are single chip hardware modems available, but I don't know how the cost compares. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, March 29, 2007 16:48, James Knott wrote:
My ThinkPad R31 had a modem on a daughter board, shared with WiFi. It was a software modem that was supported in later versions of SUSE and worked well. Unfortunately, I lost that modem, when I upgraded the WiFi. However, there are single chip hardware modems available, but I don't know how the cost compares.
I have bought external (serial) hardware modems for as little as (the equivalent of) $25 USD. This was 6 years ago. Surely the manufacturing cost have come down by now? Agreed, still nowhere near as cheap as a winmodem, but would you be willing to pay $15 more for a notebook if it happens to have a hardware modem in? I've only had to use my modem once in the last year and a half, but it would have been worth the money for that one time. Hans -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 29 March 2007 11:46, Hans du Plooy wrote:
On Thu, March 29, 2007 16:48, James Knott wrote:
My ThinkPad R31 had a modem on a daughter board, shared with WiFi. It was a software modem that was supported in later versions of SUSE and worked well. Unfortunately, I lost that modem, when I upgraded the WiFi. However, there are single chip hardware modems available, but I don't know how the cost compares.
I have bought external (serial) hardware modems for as little as (the equivalent of) $25 USD. This was 6 years ago. Surely the manufacturing cost have come down by now?
You need an internal PS2 modem. It is of course the same modem it was 2 years or 4 years ago at the same price of course if you can find one.
Agreed, still nowhere near as cheap as a winmodem, but would you be willing to pay $15 more for a notebook if it happens to have a hardware modem in? I've only had to use my modem once in the last year and a half, but it would have been worth the money for that one time.
Hans
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On Thursday 29 March 2007 10:48, James Knott wrote:
Hans du Plooy wrote:
On Thu, March 29, 2007 15:43, BRUCE STANLEY wrote:
From the 'Dell' article:
For cases such as WinModems, for which there are neither open source nor proprietary drivers available, Dell will be encouraging users to substitute a hardware-based modem. "However, we can't substitute hardware-based modems in our notebooks without redesigning and significantly increasing the price of the system.
What nonsense. Exactly how much does it cost to manufacture a hardware modem these days? And why can the hardware bits not be on a daughterboard, like the wireless, bluetooth and other bits are?
Hans
My ThinkPad R31 had a modem on a daughter board, shared with WiFi. It was a software modem that was supported in later versions of SUSE and worked well. Unfortunately, I lost that modem, when I upgraded the WiFi. However, there are single chip hardware modems available, but I don't know how the cost compares.
About $80 US at CompUSA. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 29 March 2007 10:22, Hans du Plooy wrote:
On Thu, March 29, 2007 15:43, BRUCE STANLEY wrote:
From the 'Dell' article:
For cases such as WinModems, for which there are neither open source nor proprietary drivers available, Dell will be encouraging users to substitute a hardware-based modem. "However, we can't substitute hardware-based modems in our notebooks without redesigning and significantly increasing the price of the system.
What nonsense. Exactly how much does it cost to manufacture a hardware modem these days? And why can the hardware bits not be on a daughterboard, like the wireless, bluetooth and other bits are?
Hans
Well if you are making 1 the about $100,000 US. If you make 2 then about $100,000 US If you make 100 about $100,000 US. You get the picture. There is a quantity point below which the fixed cost of manufacturing so dominate the manufacturing cost that for all practical purposes the fixed cost become the cost of production. If of course you manufacture 1,000,000 then the relevant cost is the variable cost or in other words the cost of the parts, assembly, and testing. No body these days is manufacturing real modems anymore. Everybody is manufacturing winmodems because they are cheaper in total cost of manufacturer even if they are a pile of crap in usage. Nobody cares about that. All anybody wants is CHEAP. so that is what you get CHEAP as in CHEAP quality. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 29 March 2007 10:43, BRUCE STANLEY wrote:
For cases such as WinModems, for which there are neither open source nor proprietary drivers available, Dell will be encouraging users to substitute a hardware-based modem. "However, we can't substitute hardware-based modems in our notebooks without redesigning and significantly increasing the price of the system. If it's important to you to have a hardware-based modem, you would add one into your PC Card or ExpressCard slot."
Huh??? *Many* winmodems are supported in the Linux world. http://www.linmodems.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
--- Bruce Marshall <bmarsh@bmarsh.com> wrote:
On Thursday 29 March 2007 10:43, BRUCE STANLEY wrote:
For cases such as WinModems, for which there are neither open source nor proprietary drivers available, Dell will be encouraging users to substitute a hardware-based modem. "However, we can't substitute hardware-based modems in our notebooks without redesigning and significantly increasing the price of the system. If it's important to you to have a hardware-based modem, you would add one into your PC Card or ExpressCard slot."
Huh??? *Many* winmodems are supported in the Linux world.
I tried this is the past. I turns out that the driver is no longer available for my modem which is an AC97 modem type. I will have to boot up Mephis or Knoppix again and run lpsi and try to get the chipset type again. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 29 March 2007 10:24, Bruce Marshall wrote:
On Thursday 29 March 2007 10:43, BRUCE STANLEY wrote:
For cases such as WinModems, for which there are neither open source nor proprietary drivers available, Dell will be encouraging users to substitute a hardware-based modem. "However, we can't substitute hardware-based modems in our notebooks without redesigning and significantly increasing the price of the system. If it's important to you to have a hardware-based modem, you would add one into your PC Card or ExpressCard slot."
Huh??? *Many* winmodems are supported in the Linux world.
If you want to have a modem in a Think[ad work with OpenSuSE you will have to buy a real modem and plug it into one of the slots. Or You could buy Mandrive and have it work out of box. The issue is there is no open source driver for Thinkpads that works. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 29 March 2007 13:06, SOTL wrote:
Huh??? *Many* winmodems are supported in the Linux world.
If you want to have a modem in a Think[ad work with OpenSuSE you will have to buy a real modem and plug it into one of the slots.
Or You could buy Mandrive and have it work out of box.
The issue is there is no open source driver for Thinkpads that works.
Don't let my Thinkpad find that out! It is working nicely with its modem. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
BRUCE STANLEY wrote:
What PC Card modems are they talking about?
AS I posted last time, I have tried the 'True Hardware' Zonet PC Card modem and can't get it to work. On the box it came in, it even says that it is compatible with Linux that have later kernals, but does not specify which kernal(s) it is talking about.
I have a US Robotics Megahertz 28.8 kbps XJACK PC Card modem that I upgraded (via a firmware update) to 33.6 kbps. Linux sees it as a serial port. It's worked fine in every machine I've used it in. These can be picked up very cheaply on eBay, and computer surplus stores often have buckets full of them they're dying to unload. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 29 March 2007 19:05, David Brodbeck wrote:
BRUCE STANLEY wrote:
What PC Card modems are they talking about?
AS I posted last time, I have tried the 'True Hardware' Zonet PC Card modem and can't get it to work. On the box it came in, it even says that it is compatible with Linux that have later kernals, but does not specify which kernal(s) it is talking about.
I have a US Robotics Megahertz 28.8 kbps XJACK PC Card modem that I upgraded (via a firmware update) to 33.6 kbps. Linux sees it as a serial port. It's worked fine in every machine I've used it in. These can be picked up very cheaply on eBay, and computer surplus stores often have buckets full of them they're dying to unload.
US Robotics 56k pci modems are good real modems. They are not winmodems. Some AT&T series Wind modems AKA Lucent Technologies are noted for not working. Other Windmodems by other manufactures sometimes do work. Best thing is to get on the Thinkpad list and bounce the hardware issues around there. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
What PC Card modems are they talking about? AS I posted last time, I have tried the 'True Hardware' Zonet PC Card modem and can't get it to work. On the box it came in, it even says that it is compatible with Linux that have later kernals, but does not specify which kernal(s) it is talking about. I have a US Robotics Megahertz 28.8 kbps XJACK PC Card modem that I upgraded (via a firmware update) to 33.6 kbps. Linux sees it as a serial port. It's worked fine in every machine I've used it in. These can be picked up very cheaply on eBay, and computer surplus stores often have buckets full of them they're dying to unload.
Yep, I got a Dell PCMCIA modem at a junk sale for $12. Has worked perfectly for years whenever I have [rarely] actually needed to use an analog line. Don't forget the most often overlooked solution - your cell phone. Most cell pones can attach via a USB port, emulate a serial port, and support the Hayes command set. Every cell phone I've had I've been able to make a terminal call with (using nothing but the USB cable and minicom). -- -- Adam Tauno Williams Network & Systems Administrator Consultant - http://www.whitemiceconsulting.com Developer - http://www.opengroupware.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
What PC Card modems are they talking about? AS I posted last time, I have tried the 'True Hardware' Zonet PC Card modem and can't get it to work. On the box it came in, it even says that it is compatible with Linux that have later kernals, but does not specify which kernal(s) it is talking about.
I have a US Robotics Megahertz 28.8 kbps XJACK PC Card modem that I upgraded (via a firmware update) to 33.6 kbps. Linux sees it as a serial port. It's worked fine in every machine I've used it in. These can be picked up very cheaply on eBay, and computer surplus stores often have buckets full of them they're dying to unload.
Yep, I got a Dell PCMCIA modem at a junk sale for $12. Has worked perfectly for years whenever I have [rarely] actually needed to use an analog line.
Don't forget the most often overlooked solution - your cell phone. Most cell pones can attach via a USB port, emulate a serial port, and support the Hayes command set. Every cell phone I've had I've been able to make a terminal call with (using nothing but the USB cable and minicom).
While my cell phone includes such a "modem", it uses GPRS, which is an extra cost service. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
--- James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> wrote:
Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
What PC Card modems are they talking about? AS I posted last time, I have tried the 'True Hardware' Zonet PC Card modem and can't get it to work. On the box it came in, it even says that it is compatible with Linux that have later kernals, but does not specify which kernal(s) it is talking about.
I have a US Robotics Megahertz 28.8 kbps XJACK PC Card modem that I upgraded (via a firmware update) to 33.6 kbps. Linux sees it as a serial port. It's worked fine in every machine I've used it in. These can be picked up very cheaply on eBay, and computer surplus stores often have buckets full of them they're dying to unload.
Yep, I got a Dell PCMCIA modem at a junk sale for $12. Has worked perfectly for years whenever I have [rarely] actually needed to use an analog line.
Don't forget the most often overlooked solution - your cell phone. Most cell pones can attach via a USB port, emulate a serial port, and support the Hayes command set. Every cell phone I've had I've been able to make a terminal call with (using nothing but the USB cable and minicom).
While my cell phone includes such a "modem", it uses GPRS, which is an extra cost service. --
Follou up: I found a version of Linux that will work with my Thinkpad T41 and my ZONET PCMCIA 56k modem. It is the Live CD version of Simply MEPIS 3.4.3. I uses a version of the smartlinke modem software. Now I must decide if I want to install it on the hard drive as a permintate multi-boot opition. It is an older version of Mepis and I would like to use a more current version of Linux. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 30 March 2007 12:24, BRUCE STANLEY wrote:
Now I must decide if I want to install it on the hard drive as a permintate multi-boot opition. It is an older version of Mepis and I would like to use a more current version of Linux.
Do a 'lsmod | grep snd' command and look at what sound modules are loaded... You will probably find that SuSE will work if you can determine the module. (do the above command under Mepis) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 30 March 2007 11:24, BRUCE STANLEY wrote:
--- James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> wrote:
Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
What PC Card modems are they talking about? AS I posted last time, I have tried the 'True Hardware' Zonet PC Card modem and can't get it to work. On the box it came in, it even says that it is compatible with Linux that have later kernals, but does not specify which kernal(s) it is talking about.
I have a US Robotics Megahertz 28.8 kbps XJACK PC Card modem that I upgraded (via a firmware update) to 33.6 kbps. Linux sees it as a serial port. It's worked fine in every machine I've used it in. These can be picked up very cheaply on eBay, and computer surplus stores often have buckets full of them they're dying to unload.
Yep, I got a Dell PCMCIA modem at a junk sale for $12. Has worked perfectly for years whenever I have [rarely] actually needed to use an analog line.
Don't forget the most often overlooked solution - your cell phone. Most cell pones can attach via a USB port, emulate a serial port, and support the Hayes command set. Every cell phone I've had I've been able to make a terminal call with (using nothing but the USB cable and minicom).
While my cell phone includes such a "modem", it uses GPRS, which is an extra cost service. --
Follou up:
I found a version of Linux that will work with my Thinkpad T41 and my ZONET PCMCIA 56k modem. It is the Live CD version of Simply MEPIS 3.4.3.
Get on the Thinkpad list and check out your hardware with the IBM experts. They can advise you best on which distribution works best with which hardware.
I uses a version of the smartlinke modem software.
Now I must decide if I want to install it on the hard drive as a permintate multi-boot opition. It is an older version of Mepis and I would like to use a more current version of Linux.
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James Knott wrote:
While my cell phone includes such a "modem", it uses GPRS, which is an extra cost service.
That's definitely a concern. Although the way hotels keep jacking up their phone charges it might be cheaper to pay for GPRS. ;) It always amazes me that the more you pay for a hotel room, the more little charges they tack on. If you stay in a $40/night hotel you get local calls for free. If you stay in a $100/night hotel they charge you a buck fifty just to connect you. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
David Brodbeck wrote:
James Knott wrote:
While my cell phone includes such a "modem", it uses GPRS, which is an extra cost service.
That's definitely a concern. Although the way hotels keep jacking up their phone charges it might be cheaper to pay for GPRS. ;)
It always amazes me that the more you pay for a hotel room, the more little charges they tack on. If you stay in a $40/night hotel you get local calls for free. If you stay in a $100/night hotel they charge you a buck fifty just to connect you.
I know exactly what you mean. Last fall, I stayed at a motel in the middle of nowhere (Wawa Ontario), which included free WiFi. But in February I was at a very nice hotel in a Quebec ski resort town, where the rooms were over $200/night and WiFi was another $14/day. However, I found that I could bypass their paid access, by using OpenVPN to connect to my home network and reach the internet from there! They apparently didn't block UDP port 1194. Yesterday, my manager said he was being charged $16/day for access at the Marriott Hotel in Toronto. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 30 March 2007, James Knott wrote:
Don't forget the most often overlooked solution - your cell phone. Most cell pones can attach via a USB port, emulate a serial port, and support the Hayes command set. Every cell phone I've had I've been able to make a terminal call with (using nothing but the USB cable and minicom).
While my cell phone includes such a "modem", it uses GPRS, which is an extra cost service.
So pay the extra cost. I use the data service on my cell phone almost as much as voice. For me its not too expensive for unlimited usage option. I currently use it for: (in addition to sms mms and voice) Checking my stock prices - normal phone web browser Gmail (mobile version - very nice) IMAP to my company mail server Google Maps (find and navigate to anywhere while traveling) Opera Mini - great cell phone browser MidpSSH client to log in to various servers I manage Emergency Modem - very rare (War driving is easier) We recently took a driving trip thru the south western US with nothing but google maps on a couple cell phones. No reservations, No fixed Destinations, no maps. Note this is not a pda I'm talking about, just a cell phone. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 30 March 2007 18:02, John Andersen wrote:
We recently took a driving trip thru the south western US with nothing but google maps on a couple cell phones. No reservations, No fixed Destinations, no maps.
Note this is not a pda I'm talking about, just a cell phone.
So what was your phone bill that month?? (me, thinking there are nice GPS pda's out there but I use a full laptop with GPS and DeLorme) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 30 March 2007, Bruce Marshall wrote:
On Friday 30 March 2007 18:02, John Andersen wrote:
We recently took a driving trip thru the south western US with nothing but google maps on a couple cell phones. No reservations, No fixed Destinations, no maps.
Note this is not a pda I'm talking about, just a cell phone.
So what was your phone bill that month?? (me, thinking there are nice GPS pda's out there but I use a full laptop with GPS and DeLorme)
Same as every month. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 29 March 2007 10:04, BRUCE STANLEY wrote:
I have even triead a fully hardware Zonet PCMCIA modem with various distros on my Thinkpad T-41 and can not get it to work.
What is the chipset in the T41? I have always been able to get the modem in my TP X30 to work. It's probably the same modem chipset. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 29 March 2007 10:21, Bruce Marshall wrote:
On Thursday 29 March 2007 10:04, BRUCE STANLEY wrote:
I have even triead a fully hardware Zonet PCMCIA modem with various distros on my Thinkpad T-41 and can not get it to work.
What is the chipset in the T41? I have always been able to get the modem in my TP X30 to work. It's probably the same modem chipset. You might like to get on the IBM Thinkpad list for hardware questions concerning Thinkpads http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 29 March 2007 09:04, BRUCE STANLEY wrote:
--- Teruel de Campo MD <chusty@attglobal.net> wrote:
If you really need a laptop with everything ready to go in linux another approach is to get it from http://www.emperorlinux.com/ Those guys do a great job. They have a very well written manual that if you are new to linux will save hours of work. They have a good support. So if you get a Lenovo X-60 with suse install you know it will work. The first I got from them I was new to linux, I need it for business, I had to give a lecture and 2 days before traveling came with all installed. I just loaded the presentation and I went. All went perfect. So getting a laptop with linux is not a problem.
-=terry(Denver)=-
Do they have their people who can write device drivers? That is what would be needed to get a 56k modem to work.That is not the issue.
Notebooks now because of cost are using WinModems. Unfortunately they seem to redesign WinModems with the wind each one using a different chip set. Developers who are capable of writing WinModems which of course are software all have T1 of T2 lines and are not interested in antiquated ISP connection systems like 56k modem connections. This leaves a void in WindModems with some working and some not. Here is were it really gets screwey as you can take two different laptops each with the same features manufactured by the same manufacture under the same part number and get two different Winmodems one of which will work and one which will not since of course they have different chipsets in them requiring different Winmodems. The only safe course is to replace thew Winmodem with a real modem which means of course that you will have to plug it into a expansion slot. Best thing is get on the BB for the particular laptop and ascertain there what hardware will and will not work. The one for Thinkpads was posted in a previous posting today in this thread and since it is difficult to find I would suggest you look there to subscribe.
I was under the impression that Emperor Linux was just an OEM type integrator.
People seed to forget that laptops are used on the road and sometimes you only have access to the Internet via dial-up.
Thus, a laptop without a modem is somewhat useless on the road.
I have even triead a fully hardware Zonet PCMCIA modem with various distros on my Thinkpad T-41 and can not get it to work.
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On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, SOTL wrote: Thanks for all your replies, this helps a lot.
Best thing is get on the BB for the particular laptop and ascertain there what hardware will and will not work. The one for Thinkpads was posted in a previous posting today in this thread and since it is difficult to find I would suggest you look there to subscribe.
I will look into the archives first before I will post my question ;-) Problem with e.g. Emperor Linux is that I don't get the next day service that I need here in the Netherlands. That's why I choose TransTec: SUSE certified hardware, excellent technical support (they know what they are talking about) and for a reasonable price next day service for three years. I earn my money using the laptop and I need it to work. I would prefer to spent some extra cash to get that kind of support. Buying two laptops in case one breaks is a little bit two expensive. I hope the TransTec engineers are getting the laptop working soon, that would be my first choice. Q: How good is the service with the different manufacturers? I want everything working again within 24 hours. If HP or Lenovo can give the same service level as TransTec that would be fine too. Greeting from the Netherlands, Aschwin Marsman p.s.: Anyone going to the Accu Conference in Oxford after easter? -- aYniK Software Solutions all You need is Knowledge P.O. box 134 NL-7600 AC Almelo - the Netherlands a.marsman@aYniK.com http://www.aYniK.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 30 March 2007 08:49, Aschwin Marsman wrote:
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, SOTL wrote:
Thanks for all your replies, this helps a lot.
Best thing is get on the BB for the particular laptop and ascertain there what hardware will and will not work. The one for Thinkpads was posted in a previous posting today in this thread and since it is difficult to find I would suggest you look there to subscribe.
I will look into the archives first before I will post my question ;-)
Problem with e.g. Emperor Linux is that I don't get the next day service that I need here in the Netherlands. That's why I choose TransTec: SUSE certified hardware, excellent technical support (they know what they are talking about) and for a reasonable price next day service for three years. I earn my money using the laptop and I need it to work. I would prefer to spent some extra cash to get that kind of support. Buying two laptops in case one breaks is a little bit two expensive. I hope the TransTec engineers are getting the laptop working soon, that would be my first choice.
Q: How good is the service with the different manufacturers? I want everything working again within 24 hours. If HP or Lenovo can give the same service level as TransTec that would be fine too.
Greeting from the Netherlands,
Aschwin Marsman
p.s.: Anyone going to the Accu Conference in Oxford after easter?
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I am clueless as to what you are babling about here which I guess is because of my age, an old fart. Each major manafactor of equipment has what we usta call a builtine board BB like this one we are now on which I guess you new wipper snappers call a list or some new damn fangled name which I don't know. Anyway the one for Thinkpads is sponsered by IBM and is at http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad which is opensuse@opensuse.org for posting messages. As far as cost the only cost is the same as the cost for this BB. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I've good experience with IBM ThinkPads, in particular the R50 line. I've got one with 1G RAM and a 1400x1050 screen. Works really fine with SuSE10.2. My second laptop works just as fine with SuSE10.2, it's a DELL Precision/M90 (!!), it's not a machine I would recommend though, it looks awfull and is really big and heavy. But, performance with SUSE10.2 is excellent. And its Nvidia 1900x1200 screen is excellent.
Personally, I'd never by a Dell to use with Linux. I've seen components change even within the same model#, you never really know what you are ordering. Not to mention that I think both Toshibas and Thinkpads both have superior construction to the [we can save 15 cents here] Dells. -- -- Adam Tauno Williams Network & Systems Administrator Consultant - http://www.whitemiceconsulting.com Developer - http://www.opengroupware.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
Personally, I'd never by a Dell to use with Linux. I've seen components change even within the same model#, you never really know what you are ordering.
I would not recommend Dell's laptops in general. My experience with them is that the construction is shoddy and they're unreliable if you actually use them as laptops. The flexing seems to work internal connections loose. If you just let them sit on a desk and use them as miniature desktop systems they're OK. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
David Brodbeck wrote:
Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
Personally, I'd never by a Dell to use with Linux. I've seen components change even within the same model#, you never really know what you are ordering.
I would not recommend Dell's laptops in general. My experience with them is that the construction is shoddy and they're unreliable if you actually use them as laptops. The flexing seems to work internal connections loose. If you just let them sit on a desk and use them as miniature desktop systems they're OK.
I use a Dell notebook at work. One problem, besides being slow, is the ethernet cable occasionally comes loose. Changing the cable doesn't make much difference. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 28 March 2007 20:33, David Brodbeck wrote:
Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
Personally, I'd never by a Dell to use with Linux. I've seen components change even within the same model#, you never really know what you are ordering.
I would not recommend Dell's laptops in general. My experience with them is that the construction is shoddy and they're unreliable if you actually use them as laptops. The flexing seems to work internal connections loose. If you just let them sit on a desk and use them as miniature desktop systems they're OK.
If you want quality and rugged get a Thinkpad. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Alle 19:31, giovedì 29 marzo 2007, SOTL ha scritto:
On Wednesday 28 March 2007 20:33, David Brodbeck wrote:
Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
Personally, I'd never by a Dell to use with Linux. I've seen components change even within the same model#, you never really know what you are ordering.
I would not recommend Dell's laptops in general. My experience with them is that the construction is shoddy and they're unreliable if you actually use them as laptops. The flexing seems to work internal connections loose. If you just let them sit on a desk and use them as miniature desktop systems they're OK.
If you want quality and rugged get a Thinkpad.
I subscribe... I use ibm (now lenovo) thinkpad from more years, and run very good with linux... At moment I use a G40 model and I will buy new thinkpad. Wath model you suggest ? (it is more important the presence of the red trackpoint...) thanks in advance. -- Calogero Bonasia http://www.bonasia.net/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Mittwoch, den 28.03.2007, 12:00 +0200 schrieb Gaël Lams:
Hi
I'm currently thinking about buying a HP, e.g. NC6320 with intel processor, NC6325 with AMD processor. Both are SuSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 10 certified, according to HP.
Anybody experience with one of those laptops?
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I'm currently thinking about buying a HP, e.g. NC6320 with intel processor, NC6325 with AMD processor. Both are SuSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 10 certified, according to HP. Anybody experience with one of those laptops? yes, with "older" models, and well all the stuff I wanted to use were working a part from the modem (I was using SuSe Professional 9.3). I have a recent laptop nx9420 with SLED10 on board
Go to some site like http://www.tigerdirect.com that lists detailed specs on a wide variety of machines; that way you can check the wireless, video, etc... for compatibility information [via Google]. I've looked at various of the current Toshiba models and most check out Ok; my previous two laptops have been Toshiba Satellites, and everything has worked on both of them. -- -- Adam Tauno Williams Network & Systems Administrator Consultant - http://www.whitemiceconsulting.com Developer - http://www.opengroupware.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 28 March 2007, Aschwin Marsman wrote:
Hi,
I wanted no worries so I bought a SUSE certified laptop from TransTec. Later it appeared it had SATA i.s.o. IDE and that was not certified (and didn't work correctly, once in a while everything freezed). TransTec currently has no working laptop for Linux, they will be in a while but I can't wait because I'm going to Oxford for a weak after easter.
Q: which SUSE certified laptop works correctly with 10.2?
I'm currently thinking about buying a HP, e.g. NC6320 with intel processor, NC6325 with AMD processor. Both are SuSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 10 certified, according to HP.
Hi . I am using an Compaq Presario V5030 AMD Turion ATI M200 graphics (worst part of the machine) and the inevitable Broardcom wirless card that seems to work ok on the built in driver in the kernel . Running it on openSUSE 10.2 the only comment i would make is AVOID EXT3 like the clappers it's a real bind with it's stupid need to run fsck when it wants causes me no end of hassle , I will be swithcing over to Reiserfs soon as i get chance to backup my important bits and configs .. Pete . -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, March 28, 2007 10:46, Aschwin Marsman wrote:
I'm currently thinking about buying a HP, e.g. NC6320 with intel processor, NC6325 with AMD processor.
The 6325 has the buggiest ACPI you're likely to encounter - it has exactly the same bugs as the 6125. There are several ACPI bugs that don't yet have kernel workarounds. Don't buy this! My experience with HP notebooks over the last three years (even in Windows) with clients has been consistently bad enough that I feel I need to tell people to avoid it. Rather get an Acer - they cost about the same and seem to be far better quality hardware and more Linux friendly. Hans -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Onsdag 28 marts 2007 12:32 skrev Hans du Plooy:
On Wed, March 28, 2007 10:46, Aschwin Marsman wrote:
I'm currently thinking about buying a HP, e.g. NC6320 with intel processor, NC6325 with AMD processor.
The 6325 has the buggiest ACPI you're likely to encounter - it has exactly the same bugs as the 6125. There are several ACPI bugs that don't yet have kernel workarounds.
Don't buy this! My experience with HP notebooks over the last three years (even in Windows) with clients has been consistently bad enough that I feel I need to tell people to avoid it. Rather get an Acer - they cost about the same and seem to be far better quality hardware and more Linux friendly.
Hans
I know that my comment below may be considered bad netiquette..., but I couldn't have said it any better! hear, hear... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Verner Kjærsgaard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, March 28, 2007 11:39, Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:
Onsdag 28 marts 2007 12:32 skrev Hans du Plooy:
The 6325 has the buggiest ACPI you're likely to encounter - it has exactly the same bugs as the 6125. There are several ACPI bugs that don't yet have kernel workarounds.
Don't buy this! My experience with HP notebooks over the last three years (even in Windows) with clients has been consistently bad enough that I feel I need to tell people to avoid it. Rather get an Acer - they cost about the same and seem to be far better quality hardware and more Linux friendly.
I know that my comment below may be considered bad netiquette..., but I couldn't have said it any better!
hear, hear...
Verner, that was the short version :-) I could go into details about all the things that don't work like it should, but I'll spare you that. Suffice to say I've had two motherboard replacements already, and this current one is busy failing. Oh and not to mention HP's poor after-sales service. Hans -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Don't buy this! My experience with HP notebooks over the last three years (even in Windows) with clients has been consistently bad enough that I feel I need to tell people to avoid it. Rather get an Acer - they cost about the same and seem to be far better quality hardware and more Linux friendly. I know that my comment below may be considered bad netiquette..., but I couldn't have said it any better! hear, hear...
Here Here; have half a dozen HP laptops, various models... I'd never buy an HP. And these run XP. Toshiba or Thinkpad, the only two I can recommend. I've never met an Acer, so I can't comment on previous recommendations (I hope they are good since they are so tantelizingly inexpensive). -- -- Adam Tauno Williams Network & Systems Administrator Consultant - http://www.whitemiceconsulting.com Developer - http://www.opengroupware.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
The 6325 has the buggiest ACPI you're likely to encounter - it has exactly the same bugs as the 6125. There are several ACPI bugs that don't yet have kernel workarounds.
Don't buy this! My experience with HP notebooks over the last three years (even in Windows) with clients has been consistently bad enough that I feel I need to tell people to avoid it. Rather get an Acer - they cost about the same and seem to be far better quality hardware and more Linux friendly. On the other hand, my experience with HP and Compaq notebooks and Linux has been very good. My previous Presario has been used at work, teaching at a local university, Linux meetings and installfests, and
On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:32:03 +0100 (BST) "Hans du Plooy" <koffiejunkielistlurker@koffiejunkie.za.net> wrote: the only thing that ever went wrong was the power connector was loose, and I needed a rubber band to make it work. The reason for this was that the notebook fell off a table a couple of times. I have an NX6125 that has also worked well. The only issue I had with it was the wireless (broadcom). 10.2 comes with bcm43xx.ko as the driver, and you need the firmware. The versions of the bcmwl5.sys that I had were incompatible with fwcutter (also part of 10.2). Solution, read the fwcutter docs, download a bcmwl5.sys, run fwcutter to extract the firmware into /lib/firmware, and bcm43xx.ko works fine. I did have some initial growing pains with ndiswrapper when I first got the laptop where I had to run ndiswrapper with the -d option, but after that the wireless was flawless. I have no complaints about Acer, but I do know that HP is a very strong supporter of Linux and has been setting up regional Linux Expertise Centers. -- Jerry Feldman <gaf@blu.org> Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9
On Thursday 29 March 2007 12:31, Jerry Feldman wrote:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:32:03 +0100 (BST)
"Hans du Plooy" <koffiejunkielistlurker@koffiejunkie.za.net> wrote:
The 6325 has the buggiest ACPI you're likely to encounter - it has exactly the same bugs as the 6125. There are several ACPI bugs that don't yet have kernel workarounds.
Don't buy this! My experience with HP notebooks over the last three years (even in Windows) with clients has been consistently bad enough that I feel I need to tell people to avoid it. Rather get an Acer - they cost about the same and seem to be far better quality hardware and more Linux friendly.
On the other hand, my experience with HP and Compaq notebooks and Linux has been very good. My previous Presario has been used at work, teaching at a local university, Linux meetings and installfests, and the only thing that ever went wrong was the power connector was loose, and I needed a rubber band to make it work. The reason for this was that the notebook fell off a table a couple of times. I have an NX6125 that has also worked well. The only issue I had with it was the wireless (broadcom). 10.2 comes with bcm43xx.ko as the driver, and you need the firmware. The versions of the bcmwl5.sys that I had were incompatible with fwcutter (also part of 10.2). Solution, read the fwcutter docs, download a bcmwl5.sys, run fwcutter to extract the firmware into /lib/firmware, and bcm43xx.ko works fine. I did have some initial growing pains with ndiswrapper when I first got the laptop where I had to run ndiswrapper with the -d option, but after that the wireless was flawless. I have no complaints about Acer, but I do know that HP is a very strong supporter of Linux and has been setting up regional Linux Expertise Centers.
My thinkpad worked great until I dropped it off a table fortunately in its gadget bag at which time the Linux side screen works while the Windows side works great. It is dual boot. Mandrake 10.1 and Xp. 10.1 Because SuSE has consistently refused to support the modem. The issue of the screen surprised me and everybody on the Thinkpad list and comes about because the Linus GUI produces a better quality picture than the MS one does but this of course has a cost of being slightly unusable once the computer was dropped. Worked great before that. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 29 March 2007 13:15, SOTL wrote:
Because SuSE has consistently refused to support the modem.
It's not SUSE's job to support the modem.... Search the archives for my post of about a year ago in how I solved the Thinkpad modem problem. You have to use one of the ALSA modem drivers. Works just fine. Please stop throwing all this crap around! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 29 March 2007 18:59, Bruce Marshall wrote:
On Thursday 29 March 2007 13:15, SOTL wrote:
Because SuSE has consistently refused to support the modem.
It's not SUSE's job to support the modem.... Search the archives for my post of about a year ago in how I solved the Thinkpad modem problem. You have to use one of the ALSA modem drivers. Works just fine.
Some do some don't it all depends on the modem. We went through all this on the Thinkpad list. It all depends on the chip set. Some sets are supported some not. You got lucky. Lots don't.
Please stop throwing all this crap around!
I am going to be polite. Reference this same issue back about 2 years, OpenSuSE 10.0 and 10.1 era. Same equipment same issue. This is 4 years of the same issue same response. Very bluntly the people at SuSE do not understand how people use laptops or that modems are required. They are not going to understand the issues until they have real pissed off customers because and real law suits because equipment will not work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 11:46 +0200, Aschwin Marsman wrote:
Hi,
I wanted no worries so I bought a SUSE certified laptop from TransTec. Later it appeared it had SATA i.s.o. IDE and that was not certified (and didn't work correctly, once in a while everything freezed). TransTec currently has no working laptop for Linux, they will be in a while but I can't wait because I'm going to Oxford for a weak after easter.
Q: which SUSE certified laptop works correctly with 10.2?
I'm currently thinking about buying a HP, e.g. NC6320 with intel processor, NC6325 with AMD processor. Both are SuSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 10 certified, according to HP.
Anybody experience with one of those laptops?
What does SUSE certified mean? Does every piece of hardware work?
Other recommendations are welcome. It's going to be used for business, no need for a very high 3D framerate although showing compiz can be usefull. The laptop should have firewire, bluetooth, wlan and working suspend/resume using open source drivers.
Greetings from a sunny the Netherlands,
Aschwin Marsman I have Dell Latitude D820 w/15.4 in screen, 1680X1050 Nvidia 7300, 2 GB ram, &2.33 GHz Core 2 Duo processor. Works fine with 10.2 including with compiz & XGL with either 32 or 64 bit Suse. Also works with Xen, since it got fixed, vmware, & parallels. Use it at work every day running WinXP in parallels under Suse 10.2. Very stable and I don't recall any crashes since I have had it, about 5 months. Suspend works as long as I am not running parallels.
Art -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Aschwin Marsman wrote:
Hi,
I wanted no worries so I bought a SUSE certified laptop from TransTec. Later it appeared it had SATA i.s.o. IDE and that was not certified (and didn't work correctly, once in a while everything freezed). TransTec currently has no working laptop for Linux, they will be in a while but I can't wait because I'm going to Oxford for a weak after easter.
Q: which SUSE certified laptop works correctly with 10.2?
I'm currently thinking about buying a HP, e.g. NC6320 with intel processor, NC6325 with AMD processor. Both are SuSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 10 certified, according to HP.
Anybody experience with one of those laptops?
What does SUSE certified mean? Does every piece of hardware work?
Other recommendations are welcome. It's going to be used for business, no need for a very high 3D framerate although showing compiz can be usefull. The laptop should have firewire, bluetooth, wlan and working suspend/resume using open source drivers.
Greetings from a sunny the Netherlands,
Aschwin Marsman
www.thinkwiki.org regards Eberhard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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