[opensuse] Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Why openSUSE uses KDE by default?
On Friday, 14 April 2017 20:32:37 EEST Michal Suchanek wrote:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2017 12:11:56 -0400
So you are saying you explicitly distrust anything and everything that is part of the KDE community, merely based on the fact that they choose to associate with that community?
Given the quality of software delivered by the project over the years?
Totally.
My guess is the average quality of anything k* is below the average of random piece of software downloaded off the interwebz.
That's been my experience over the years trying some k* applications or the whole DE from time to time.
My experience has been the opposite: I've been using Windows since 3.1, Mac OS since X and KDE since 3.3 (IIRC) and I've always preferred KDE (3, then 4, now 5) as my default desktop, both at work and for personal use. I've tried Gnome and several other desktop environments on Linux, yet KDE suits me best. Regarding code and quality in general, dolphin, okular, gwenview, digikam, marble, konsole, kate, plasma, kwin, kwallet, filelight, okteta, ktorrent, in my opinion, rate higher than or at the same level as the best corresponding applications on other platforms. Functionality wise, I prefer amarok, too, but it is getting buggy and development has almost stalled. Some KDE applications that have proved buggy indeed are kontact, kmail, akonadi, k3b. I still use kontact, although it is quite buggy; the closest to an alternative for it is Outlook, which is unfortunately also buggy, slow and runs only on Windows. The reason for the low quality of kontact and the accompanying infrastructure seems to be the lack of resources and some errors in the design of akonadi.
I mean one of the responsibilities of a project *is* to keep software in shape or trash it as has been said numerous times. Otherwise the people not really familiar with the project structure judge it by all the 'extra gears' that are not part of it but pre-installed by default or recommended by KDE. It is probably aggravated by the sponging up of applications and renaming them k*. It is hard to let the thing go and not getting connected with it when it starts going under once you made it obvious part of the DE.
How does, for example, ktorrent become part of a desktop environment? What do you think a desktop environment is?
Thanks
Michal
It is sad that such a post with little, if any, content of value has come from a Suse employee. -- Regards, Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Em Sáb, 2017-04-15 às 21:36 +0300, auxsvr escreveu:
My experience has been the opposite: I've been using Windows since 3.1, Mac OS since X and KDE since 3.3 (IIRC) and I've always preferred KDE (3, then 4, now 5) as my default desktop, both at work and for personal use. I've tried Gnome and several other desktop environments on Linux, yet KDE suits me best. Regarding code and quality in general, dolphin, okular, gwenview, digikam, marble, konsole, kate, plasma, kwin, kwallet, filelight, okteta, ktorrent, in my opinion, rate higher than or at the same level as the best corresponding applications on other platforms. Functionality wise, I prefer amarok, too, but it is getting buggy and development has almost stalled.
Some KDE applications that have proved buggy indeed are kontact, kmail, akonadi, k3b. I still use kontact, although it is quite buggy; the closest to an alternative for it is Outlook, which is unfortunately also buggy, slow and runs only on Windows. The reason for the low quality of kontact and the accompanying infrastructure seems to be the lack of resources and some errors in the design of akonadi.
You reminded me of Dolphin. It left me in the lurch many times while using Leap 42.1 (KDE 5.4.2). Often, it crashed for nothing. It was almost impossible to use it to open a terminal on a folder, copy or move files. Many times I opened Konsole and moved files by hand. On Leap 42.2 (KDE 5.8.2), it crashed less often, but still used to crash for no apparent reason. I think Dolphin has indeed more features than Nautilus. One I miss is the ability to split the window, but nothing that putting two Nautilus windows side by side does not solve. And Nautilus almost never crashes (at least for me). KTorrent is another example of KDE software that haven't worked for me. While still using KDE, I moved to Transmission. Sometimes, I added a torrent to KTorrent which didn't start, then I added the same torrent to Transmission and it started immediately, I don't know why. But Dolphin and KTorrent have not always been that way. I remember of them working well on KDE 4.x. One app I miss is Gwenview. Sometimes, when I miss some feature of it on Shotwell, I still open Gwenview. Antonio The Linux Kamarada Project https://kamarada.github.io/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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