On 22/02/18 02:39 AM, Per Jessen wrote:

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I could see SLED being useful with a live image, maybe, possibly...but not SLES.

Yeah, I agree - for testing out a server, a live image is not needed. Just boot from pxe or usb if you have physical access. I've always considered the Live images to be something used for demo'ing.

If by "demo'ing" you mean evaluating, then I 50% agree. But only 50%. or maybe less. The other 50% or more is that a Live image on a USB stick can be configured as a portable system; you can update the settings and have a /home on the USB stick. This means that while doing the RoadWarrior thing or backpacking or whatever you can walk in anywhere they have PCs, be it a friend's palace, a Internet café where they rent machine time , or even, no really, a Big Box Store like best Buy where they have laptops on display, chained down, but bootable and rebootable. (heck, you could even be nasty and install Linux on the hard drive of one of them!) I admit that if it simply a matter of checking you email (especially using webmail) in these days of overly zealous SmartPhones and near-ubiquitous telecommunication, anywhere that's going to have such stores and Internet cafés is going to have baseband Telecom and even wifi at coffee stores; or malls; or transit stops. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2018-02-22 14:39, Liam Proven wrote:

On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 19:12:44 +0000 Christopher Myers <> wrote:

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On 21/02/18 11:03 AM, Richard Brown wrote:

Hang on -- did this thread just move lists? What gives?

Christopher Myers replied to the wrong list, yes. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

On 23/02/18 00:48, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Liam Proven <lproven@suse.com> [02-22-18 08:42]:

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On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 19:12:44 +0000 Christopher Myers <cmyers@millikin.edu> wrote:

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Then there is the negative ones

* building Live Media is more complex, with more to go wrong, and they break more * there has been less interest shown in Live Media by the openSUSE community, with less fixes forthcoming when we've had them, meaning it's hard to emphasise them as a primary part of the distributions in that case. Honestly, from my perspective, if I'm going to test out a server OS build, I'm going to have a specific use-case in mind. I want to build my VM with a specific subset of packages, and not all the extra "bloat" that comes along with a usual live image, like a GUI. So I'm not really sure where the idea of a live server OS image fits into

On 21/02/18 11:03 AM, Richard Brown wrote: the grander picture?

I could see SLED being useful with a live image, maybe, possibly...but not SLES. Hang on -- did this thread just move lists? What gives? well, looks like it and well it should. factory is for technical discussion and this list has become *nearly* off-topic. I would guess discussion of the manner to build live media would be technical but the reasons for having a live media past the technical hurdles would not.

Look, personally I am just a tad annoyed in recent times with broken threads and with people changing the contents of Subject Header which makes for following a thread very difficult. As far as this thread is concerned, Richard posted his msg in *THIS* list (factory) and he would be one of the first people to "set one straight" "under the penalty of excommunication" if a post is in "the wrong hole"; so, Christopher Myers should not have sent his reply to 'opensuse'; and when the misdirection was detected then the post should have been re-directed here, to 'factory' -- and I am returning this thread back to where it started. BC -- Always be nice to people on your way up -- you'll see the same people on your way down. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 25/02/18 08:21, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On Saturday, 2018-02-24 at 15:32 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:

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Look, personally I am just a tad annoyed in recent times with broken threads and with people changing the contents of Subject Header which makes for following a thread very difficult.

Change of the "Subject" doesn't break threading, as it is done on an internal header.

This I know. Problem is if someone's mailer is rubbish and *IT* breaks the thread and this also coincides with a name change. Another problem is when one deletes most of a thread but then a late comer decides to reply to original thread but also changes the name in which case one ends up with an "orphan" with a new name but with a "Re: xxxxxxxx".

If it happens to you, your mail client is broken.

My mailer is not broken -- I use Thunderbird.

The change of subject is necessary when the contents of the mail are too different from the initial subject.

I thought that the correct thing to do is to start a *NEW* thread. Isn't this mentioned in the mail list netiquette blurb? The other thing one can do is at least retain the original SUBJECT but add to it, "WAS <whatevertheoriginalthreadsubjectis>. BC -- Always be nice to people on your way up -- you'll see the same people on your way down. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org