[opensuse] One of the reasons....
that make me think OBS is the worst Idea ever... Hi all, I just experienced some of the difficulties with OBS based on scribus and I want to summarize it. Maybe someone can draw some conclusions from that to improve the situation. Suse 11.4 delivers Scribus in version 1.4 RC1 which is - due to major technical issues - practically unusable. As none of the subsequent RCs made it to update (where I think they belong because they fix major issues) I started looking for alternative repositories to get a newer version of Scribus. Problem 1: Unfortunately one does not get very helpful information about which of the various repos should be chosen. Among others I found Education/openSUSE_11.4 from which I installed Scribus 1.4 RC3 (or RC4, i can't exactly remember, it was 9 months ago). And I was lucky with regards to future RCs as the Scribus in this repository was regularly updated up to RC6. Now Scribus has been released as final 1.4 some two weeks ago and I was wondering why the heck it was still not updated in the Education-Repo. So I searched OBS again. Below is the list of repos for Suse 11.4 which provide Scribus in some version: Repos Version openSUSE:11.4/standard 1.4 RC1 Education/openSUSE_11.4 1.4 RC6 KDE:Release:47/openSUSE_11.4 1.4 RC6 KDE:Distro:Stable/openSUSE_11.4 1.4 RC6 KDE:UpdatedApps/openSUSE_11.4 1.4 RC6 spins:open-pc:kde/openSUSE_11.4 1.4 RC5 KDE:Distro:Factory/openSUSE_11.4 1.4 (final?) KDE:Release:46/openSUSE_11.4 1.4 RC5 KDE:Unstable:Playground/KDE_Release_46_openSUSE_11.4 1.5 svn Problem 2: No one tells me whether the repository I use is still alive, the packages in there are still maintained and whether I should change to another repository to get e newer version of the software. There are 5 versions of Scribus in OBS (RC1, RC5, RC6, final and 1.5 svn). In at least 9 different repos (and I stopped counting after the first page). To me that's ridiculous. Its an unneccessary multiplication of efforts. And still there is no regular update (through openSUSE Update) to the final version so with the standard-repo openSUSE still ships a crappy, segfaulting RC1. Thats why I think OBS does not work. At least the way it is set up and organised at the moment. And it is basically impossible to recommend OBS to a non-nerd in any way. Cheers, Martin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-01-15 21:25, Smartysmart34 wrote:
And still there is no regular update (through openSUSE Update)
This is intentional and documented. That channel is for security updates.
to the final version so with the standard-repo openSUSE still ships a crappy, segfaulting RC1.
The standard repo is never updated after release date.
Thats why I think OBS does not work.
Most of the OBS is maintained by volunteers, not staff. However, did you create a Bugzilla on those segfaults, pointing out that there is a stable version ready? because that is the road to go. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk8TVKgACgkQtTMYHG2NR9U2SQCbBkjrAyaj5r+bkUtEfPoRonnd WBMAnjrzOMHQrA7TblfUSuwDcCHHKo9R =zFYf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sunday, January 15, 2012 02:25:56 PM Smartysmart34 wrote:
that make me think OBS is the worst Idea ever...
A bit of history: There was no OBS and there was just rpmbuild. Everyone was able to make his own rpms and not able to share. Then one day a group of SUSE employees created OBS so people were able to share their rpm creations. It is not without problems, but it is much better then before. 8<
Problem 1: Unfortunately one does not get very helpful information about which of the various repos should be chosen.
You are right, that is one of problems. It is similar to reasons to create OBS. Everyone has to learn which repos are good and which not, instead to have some service that will allow people that know what is good to share their experience. 8<
Problem 2: No one tells me whether the repository I use is still alive, the packages in there are still maintained and whether I should change to another repository to get e newer version of the software.
It is the same as above. We don't have tool to share knowledge about repos and software. 8<
Thats why I think OBS does not work. At least the way it is set up and organised at the moment. And it is basically impossible to recommend OBS to a non-nerd in any way.
You can recommend what worked for you, so someone has chance to find information, but place where you will be able to put comment will be better. Not so nice is that it is not that easy to get such system right. One of problems is explained here http://xkcd.com/937/ :)
Cheers, Martin
-- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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