Damon Register wrote:

On 10/4/2021 7:28 AM, Per Jessen wrote:

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For the last many years, in my company, we have managed fairly well with LibreOffice drawings. Typically network diagrams, state machines, flow

Thanks for the info.  I didn't realize that LibreOffice had that.

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acquired by Microsoft. I remember a few people swearing by it.

Are you sure that isn't swear at?

Hehe, yeah, both probably :-) -- Per Jessen, Zürich (15.1°C)

On 05/10/2021 11:33, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

I think that one very useful feature is snapping to a grid so things look tidy. dia does that -- there's a toggle button at the bottom of the drawing window.

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On 05.10.21 11:30, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 11:07 AM Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:

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I sometimes use http://www.insilmaril.de/vym/ https://software.opensuse.org/ package/vym but I don't know if it has all the functions You wish.

I will have to play with it. But I think it is up to something else. Still, it could be fun to see what it is about anyway.

Has "dia" been mentioned already? I have been using it for a couple of diagrams, but not very big ones. Josef -- SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH Maxfeldstr. 5 90409 Nürnberg Germany (HRB 36809, AG Nürnberg) Geschäftsführer: Felix Imendörffer

On 05/10/2021 11:35, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

I have been looking at dia. It looks like it is the type of thing I want. I have not sorted out how well it scales when charts become too big. You can ease your job by using layers (objects can also be moved to a different layer after they've been created).

That is, can one zoom in or out at various places in the graph? Yes: Ctrl-+ / Ctrl-- (or View | Zoom in/out)

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On 2021-10-05 05:35, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 11:33 AM Josef Moellers wrote:

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On 05.10.21 11:30, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

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On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 11:07 AM Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:

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I sometimes use http://www.insilmaril.de/vym/ https://software.opensuse.org/ package/vym but I don't know if it has all the functions You wish.

I will have to play with it. But I think it is up to something else. Still, it could be fun to see what it is about anyway.

Has "dia" been mentioned already? I have been using it for a couple of diagrams, but not very big ones.

I have been looking at dia. It looks like it is the type of thing I want. I have not sorted out how well it scales when charts become too big. That is, can one zoom in or out at various places in the graph?

Of course, if the diagrams need that, maybe they are poorly designed. Nonetheless, it is always interesting to see what you must do, and what your tool will help you to do.

have you look at using layers to control views and hence apparent complexity? -- “Reality is so complex, we must move away from dogma, whether it’s conspiracy theories or free-market,” -- James Glattfelder. http://jth.ch/jbg

On 2021-10-05 14:20, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 04/10/2021 13.16, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

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Hi all.

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All pointers are welcome. I have looked at various discussions of this but they are typically so superficial that they provide no real information. I am willing to investigate alternatives.

In my notes I have:

Kivio, diagramas Umbrello diagramas

I have no idea about them.

I've used them both but neither stuck in my memory or on my computer. I half recall that Umbrello had something to to with UML and Kivio to do with KDE. I wonder what Google says? https://umbrello.kde.org/ Welcome to Umbrello - The UML Modeller https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calligra_Flow Calligra Flow (formerly Kivio) is free diagramming software that is a part of Calligra Suite, an integrated graphic art and office suite by KDE. ..... has a user interface that is similar to Microsoft Visio. It is fully integrated into Calligra and can for example be embedded into Calligra Words. Well, you'd have to be even more of a KDE affeciando than I am to go for that suite of tools over Openoffice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calligra#History Some versions run on Windows, Android and macOS. -- “Reality is so complex, we must move away from dogma, whether it’s conspiracy theories or free-market,” -- James Glattfelder. http://jth.ch/jbg