SPAM: New problem

Fred A. Miller

11 Oct 2006 11 Oct '06

05:50

There may have been something on the list in the past and I didn't see it. If so, sorry for that. My taskbar simply vanished......with no warning, no setting changes, etc......just gone. Is there a way to get it back in 10.1 without it taking "an act of Congress?" Thanks in advance!! Fred -- MickySoft, the ultimate corporate parasite.

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John Andersen

11 Oct 11 Oct

07:07

New subject: [SLE] SPAM: New problem

On Tuesday 10 October 2006 21:50, Fred A. Miller wrote:

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There may have been something on the list in the past and I didn't see it. If so, sorry for that. My taskbar simply vanished......with no warning, no setting changes, etc......just gone. Is there a way to get it back in 10.1 without it taking "an act of Congress?"

Thanks in advance!!

Fred

-- MickySoft, the ultimate corporate parasite.

You might at least tell us what desktop you use.... /Peeks at headers, sees Kmail: Assumes its KDE Try Alt-F2 then type "kicker" in the popup -- _____________________________________ John Andersen

Fred A. Miller

18:35

New subject: SPAM: Re: [SLE] SPAM: New problem

On Wednesday 11 October 2006 3:07 am, John Andersen wrote:

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On Tuesday 10 October 2006 21:50, Fred A. Miller wrote:

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There may have been something on the list in the past and I didn't see it. If so, sorry for that. My taskbar simply vanished......with no warning, no setting changes, etc......just gone. Is there a way to get it back in 10.1 without it taking "an act of Congress?"

Thanks in advance!!

Fred

-- MickySoft, the ultimate corporate parasite.

You might at least tell us what desktop you use....

/Peeks at headers, sees Kmail: Assumes its KDE

Try Alt-F2 then type "kicker" in the popup

Sorry.....yes...KDE. No, running kicker doesn't work. Fred -- MickySoft, the ultimate corporate parasite.

John Andersen

12 Oct 12 Oct

07:45

New subject: SPAM: Re: [SLE] SPAM: New problem

On Wednesday 11 October 2006 10:35, Fred A. Miller wrote:

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On Wednesday 11 October 2006 3:07 am, John Andersen wrote:

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On Tuesday 10 October 2006 21:50, Fred A. Miller wrote:

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There may have been something on the list in the past and I didn't see it. If so, sorry for that. My taskbar simply vanished......with no warning, no setting changes, etc......just gone. Is there a way to get it back in 10.1 without it taking "an act of Congress?"

Thanks in advance!!

Fred

-- MickySoft, the ultimate corporate parasite.

You might at least tell us what desktop you use....

/Peeks at headers, sees Kmail: Assumes its KDE

Try Alt-F2 then type "kicker" in the popup

Sorry.....yes...KDE. No, running kicker doesn't work.

Well then I would launch kcontrol and see if desktop/Panels got set to some invisibly small size or odd location. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen

stephan beal

11 Oct 11 Oct

11:20

New subject: [SLE] New problem

On Wednesday 11 October 2006 07:50, Fred A. Miller wrote:

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There may have been something on the list in the past and I didn't see it. If so, sorry for that. My taskbar simply vanished......with no warning, no setting changes, etc......just gone. Is there a way to get it back in 10.1 without it taking "an act of Congress?"

Thanks in advance!!

If you're using KDE, this happens when "kicker" crashes. On my box that happens, e.g., if i reconfigure the sound device while KDE is running. To get it back: Alt-F2 kicker <ENTER> If you're running GNOME... no clue. :) -- ----- stephan@s11n.net http://s11n.net "...pleasure is a grace and is not obedient to the commands of the will." -- Alan W. Watts

Fred A. Miller

18:42

New subject: SPAM: Re: [SLE] New problem

On Wednesday 11 October 2006 7:20 am, stephan beal wrote:

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On Wednesday 11 October 2006 07:50, Fred A. Miller wrote:

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There may have been something on the list in the past and I didn't see it. If so, sorry for that. My taskbar simply vanished......with no warning, no setting changes, etc......just gone. Is there a way to get it back in 10.1 without it taking "an act of Congress?"

Thanks in advance!!

If you're using KDE, this happens when "kicker" crashes. On my box that happens, e.g., if i reconfigure the sound device while KDE is running.

To get it back:

Alt-F2 kicker <ENTER>

No.......already tried to run kicker.....no help. It's almost like the bar is still there, but not visable. I can minimize kmail, for example, and it still is on kasbar, but I can't see it on the bar at the bottom. I've seen this happen on a number of systems and still don't have a clue as to what any user did to loose the task bar. Fred -- MickySoft, the ultimate corporate parasite.

Patrick Shanahan

19:00

New subject: SPAM: Re: [SLE] New problem

* Fred Miller [10-11-06 14:45]:

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No.......already tried to run kicker.....no help. It's almost like the bar is still there, but not visable. I can minimize kmail, for example, and it still is on kasbar, but I can't see it on the bar at the bottom. I've seen this happen on a number of systems and still don't have a clue as to what any user did to loose the task bar.

see if kicker is running: ps x|grep kicker if it is, do you have hiding enabled? Move the cursor all the way to the end of the screen where your kicker normally appears (bottom ??, all the way bottom-left and/or bottom right). If hiding is enabled, an arrow indicator should appear. Clicking on the indicator will reveal the taskbar. still no-go, try: init 3 then: init 5 -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2

Fred A. Miller

21:08

New subject: SPAM: Re: [SLE] New problem

On Wednesday 11 October 2006 3:00 pm, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Fred Miller [10-11-06 14:45]:

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No.......already tried to run kicker.....no help. It's almost like the bar is still there, but not visable. I can minimize kmail, for example, and it still is on kasbar, but I can't see it on the bar at the bottom. I've seen this happen on a number of systems and still don't have a clue as to what any user did to loose the task bar.

see if kicker is running: ps x|grep kicker

if it is, do you have hiding enabled? Move the cursor all the way to the end of the screen where your kicker normally appears (bottom ??, all the way bottom-left and/or bottom right). If hiding is enabled, an arrow indicator should appear. Clicking on the indicator will reveal the taskbar.

still no-go, try: init 3 then: init 5

No......kicker IS running, and init 3 is UNreachable as I can't login. :( I deleted EVERYTHING in /tmp and that didn't work either. Fred -- MickySoft, the ultimate corporate parasite.

Patrick Shanahan

21:17

New subject: SPAM: Re: [SLE] New problem

* Fred Miller [10-11-06 17:10]:

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No......kicker IS running, and init 3 is UNreachable as I can't login. :( I deleted EVERYTHING in /tmp and that didn't work either.

cannot log in ???? <ctrl><alt> doesn't get you to a screen ??? right-click on desktop will give you a logout option <ctrl><alt><back-space> will kill X -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2

Jeff Dierking

21:33

New subject: SPAM: Re: SPAM: Re: [SLE] New problem

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No......kicker IS running, and init 3 is UNreachable as I can't login. :( I deleted EVERYTHING in /tmp and that didn't work either.

Fred

What do you mean you can't login? How are you viewing the ps results or deleting everything in temp? Jeff Dierking

Fred A. Miller

22:10

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On Wednesday 11 October 2006 5:33 pm, Jeff Dierking wrote:

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No......kicker IS running, and init 3 is UNreachable as I can't login. :( I deleted EVERYTHING in /tmp and that didn't work either.

Fred

What do you mean you can't login? How are you viewing the ps results or deleting everything in temp?

No, I simply left KDE with init 3. Fred -- MickySoft, the ultimate corporate parasite.

Bruce Marshall

22:57

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On Wednesday 11 October 2006 18:10, Fred A. Miller wrote:

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On Wednesday 11 October 2006 5:33 pm, Jeff Dierking wrote:

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No......kicker IS running, and init 3 is UNreachable as I can't login. :( I deleted EVERYTHING in /tmp and that didn't work either.

Fred

What do you mean you can't login? How are you viewing the ps results or deleting everything in temp?

No, I simply left KDE with init 3.

Fred

My wife had this problem many times in the last month or so.... and it's an easy fix. - - - - - If only I can think of it. But the answer is somewhere in the 'personal settings'. Look at the panel settings or the hiding settings. Turn them off... apply, turn them back on or vice versa. Something gets whacked. But the real answer may be to save your ~/.kde directory and let it build a new one. There is also a bug with old .kde stuff where the keyboard can 'go missing' and a restart of KDE is necessary. Starting fresh with a new .kde can solve that one too. But save the old .kde, there are things like Kmail setup in there that can be re-used.

Fred A. Miller

12 Oct 12 Oct

00:00

New subject: [SLE] New problem

On Wednesday 11 October 2006 6:57 pm, Bruce Marshall wrote:

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On Wednesday 11 October 2006 18:10, Fred A. Miller wrote:

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On Wednesday 11 October 2006 5:33 pm, Jeff Dierking wrote:

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No......kicker IS running, and init 3 is UNreachable as I can't login.

:( I deleted EVERYTHING in /tmp and that didn't work either.

Fred

What do you mean you can't login? How are you viewing the ps results or deleting everything in temp?

No, I simply left KDE with init 3.

Fred

My wife had this problem many times in the last month or so.... and it's an easy fix. - - - - - If only I can think of it.

I posted the fix earlier.

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But the answer is somewhere in the 'personal settings'. Look at the panel settings or the hiding settings. Turn them off... apply, turn them back on or vice versa. Something gets whacked.

I did "mess" with the settings and couldn't fix it.

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But the real answer may be to save your ~/.kde directory and let it build a new one. There is also a bug with old .kde stuff where the keyboard can 'go missing' and a restart of KDE is necessary. Starting fresh with a new .kde can solve that one too. But save the old .kde, there are things like Kmail setup in there that can be re-used.

That's what I've been doing.......removing the KDE dir., and doing a clean setup, which is a pain! Fred -- MickySoft, the ultimate corporate parasite.

Bruce Marshall

11 Oct 11 Oct

23:01

New subject: SPAM: Re: SPAM: Re: [SLE] New problem

On Wednesday 11 October 2006 17:08, Fred A. Miller wrote:

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No......kicker IS running, and init 3 is UNreachable as I can't login. :( I deleted EVERYTHING in /tmp and that didn't work either.

Yup, check all the panel settings in 'personal settings'. One thing I know my wife has messed with was just where on the screen you had to go to activate it. She had it set to the TOP when the panel was on the bottom. Also make sure it is set to 100% for length. Lots of ways to make things go wrong with the panel. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Bruce S. Marshall bmarsh@bmarsh.com Bellaire, MI 10/11/06 18:59 + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Law of Arbitrary Distinction: "Anything may be divided into as many parts as you please."

Basil Chupin

30 Oct 30 Oct

11:20

New subject: [SLE] New problem

stephan beal wrote:

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On Wednesday 11 October 2006 07:50, Fred A. Miller wrote:

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There may have been something on the list in the past and I didn't see it. If so, sorry for that. My taskbar simply vanished......with no warning, no setting changes, etc......just gone. Is there a way to get it back in 10.1 without it taking "an act of Congress?"

Thanks in advance!!

If you're using KDE, this happens when "kicker" crashes. On my box that happens, e.g., if i reconfigure the sound device while KDE is running.

To get it back:

Alt-F2 kicker <ENTER>

If you're running GNOME... no clue.

Resurrecting an 'oldie'.... I just lost the taskbar--suddenly, without warning and without provocation. Doing the above produced nothing; I had to use ps aux and kill the PID. Only then did the taskbar appear FOR A BRIEF MOMENT before vanishing again when I did the ALT-2/kicker thing. Rebooting has done nothing to bring it back. Anyone offer a suggestion on how to get my most important taskbar back, please? Cheers. PS There is no gnome in this household. -- I'm dangerous when I know what I'm doing.

Carlos E. R.

11:43

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2006-10-30 at 22:19 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:

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Resurrecting an 'oldie'....

I just lost the taskbar--suddenly, without warning and without provocation.

Doing the above produced nothing; I had to use ps aux and kill the PID. Only then did the taskbar appear FOR A BRIEF MOMENT before vanishing again when I did the ALT-2/kicker thing. Rebooting has done nothing to bring it back.

Anyone offer a suggestion on how to get my most important taskbar back, please?

It has been happening to me ever since I installed 10.1, but as I use gnome, I didn't bother. I would start kde in my old user (new users were fine), the bar would appear, then dissapear. I started kcontrol (alt-f2 or xterm), find the bar configuration thing (I'm not running kde now, and I don't remember the right icon), set it to not to hide, apply, and there it was. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFReVttTMYHG2NR9URAhgtAJ9Nh7J9JIhllpDoDOT2xJuVeyE3cwCfc9LO AoxqYLdErEKiKm9QTJv5qvQ= =dwFN -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Basil Chupin

12:43

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The Monday 2006-10-30 at 22:19 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:

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Resurrecting an 'oldie'....

I just lost the taskbar--suddenly, without warning and without provocation.

Doing the above produced nothing; I had to use ps aux and kill the PID. Only then did the taskbar appear FOR A BRIEF MOMENT before vanishing again when I did the ALT-2/kicker thing. Rebooting has done nothing to bring it back.

Anyone offer a suggestion on how to get my most important taskbar back, please?

It has been happening to me ever since I installed 10.1, but as I use gnome, I didn't bother.

I would start kde in my old user (new users were fine), the bar would appear, then dissapear. I started kcontrol (alt-f2 or xterm), find the bar configuration thing (I'm not running kde now, and I don't remember the right icon), set it to not to hide, apply, and there it was.

Thanks for this. I just discovered--through necessity :-) -- that ALT-F1 is the same as clicking on Geecko and brings up the menu "where it all happens". (I replaced the ~/.kde directory with the one from my backup and this brought back the taskbar but, of course, it also brought back all the old desktop backgrounds and other now-unwanted settings. This is only a temporary solution and I want to find out how to get the taskbar back by copying back the replaced ~/.kde directory and playing around with its contents. I wonder if there is a current bug report re this yet to be acted on? The wonders of 10.1 never cease :-) .) Cheers. -- I'm dangerous when I know what I'm doing.

Basil Chupin

12:56

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Basil Chupin wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The Monday 2006-10-30 at 22:19 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:

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Resurrecting an 'oldie'....

I just lost the taskbar--suddenly, without warning and without provocation.

Doing the above produced nothing; I had to use ps aux and kill the PID. Only then did the taskbar appear FOR A BRIEF MOMENT before vanishing again when I did the ALT-2/kicker thing. Rebooting has done nothing to bring it back.

Anyone offer a suggestion on how to get my most important taskbar back, please?

It has been happening to me ever since I installed 10.1, but as I use gnome, I didn't bother.

I would start kde in my old user (new users were fine), the bar would appear, then dissapear. I started kcontrol (alt-f2 or xterm), find the bar configuration thing (I'm not running kde now, and I don't remember the right icon), set it to not to hide, apply, and there it was.

Thanks for this. I just discovered--through necessity :-) -- that ALT-F1 is the same as clicking on Geecko and brings up the menu "where it all happens".

(I replaced the ~/.kde directory with the one from my backup and this brought back the taskbar but, of course, it also brought back all the old desktop backgrounds and other now-unwanted settings. This is only a temporary solution and I want to find out how to get the taskbar back by copying back the replaced ~/.kde directory and playing around with its contents. I wonder if there is a current bug report re this yet to be acted on?

The wonders of 10.1 never cease :-) .)

OK, that did it: the taskbar is back. I copied back the faulty ~/.kde then using ALT-F1 brought up the menu where I selected Personal Settings/Desktop/Panels deselected the Hide option, OK-ed the change then selected the option to again Hide the taskbar. The taskbar is now back and functional and I have my old backgrounds back. Cheers. -- I'm dangerous when I know what I'm doing.

Carlos E. R.

13:14

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2006-10-30 at 23:56 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:

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OK, that did it: the taskbar is back.

I copied back the faulty ~/.kde then using ALT-F1 brought up the menu where I selected Personal Settings/Desktop/Panels deselected the Hide option, OK-ed the change then selected the option to again Hide the taskbar. The taskbar is now back and functional and I have my old backgrounds back.

That's exactly what I told you to do, with other words. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFRfqutTMYHG2NR9URAvy/AJ0WQQ2NWyqV2GaFdI1Q4WnV46Vx8ACfTv9X f97mwar0rLQamjPwu7PH3PA= =pABp -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Basil Chupin

13:18

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The Monday 2006-10-30 at 23:56 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:

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OK, that did it: the taskbar is back.

I copied back the faulty ~/.kde then using ALT-F1 brought up the menu where I selected Personal Settings/Desktop/Panels deselected the Hide option, OK-ed the change then selected the option to again Hide the taskbar. The taskbar is now back and functional and I have my old backgrounds back.

That's exactly what I told you to do, with other words.

And followed your advice--but via a slightly different route :-) . Cheers. -- I'm dangerous when I know what I'm doing.

Carlos E. R.

13:38

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2006-10-31 at 00:18 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:

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I copied back the faulty ~/.kde then using ALT-F1 brought up the menu where I selected Personal Settings/Desktop/Panels deselected the Hide option, OK-ed the change then selected the option to again Hide the taskbar. The taskbar is now back and functional and I have my old backgrounds back.

That's exactly what I told you to do, with other words.

And followed your advice--but via a slightly different route :-) .

Right, I didn't know about the alt-f1 shortcut. I didn't expect that part of the menu to work, if the menu bar itself was not working. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFRgBItTMYHG2NR9URAsh+AJ9bbRUgHtA3TTTfrfAm1Bec0aZOuQCff3er n5Clv+f7G4FjlFw7dIms2Ik= =Pswl -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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