[opensuse] flac-doc obsoleted by binary package?
Has anyone here tried installing the lastest flac package and the latest doc for such? When I did, I got:
spm -Uhv /tumbleweed/flac-doc-1.3.2-2.3.noarch.rpm error: Failed dependencies: flac-doc is obsoleted by (installed) flac-1.3.2-3.2.x86_64
--- So first comment, why would a doc package be obsoleted by the package containing the binary? So I list out the included files:
rpm -qlp /tumbleweed/flac-1.3.2-3.2.x86_64.rpm /usr/bin/flac /usr/bin/metaflac /usr/share/doc/packages/flac /usr/share/doc/packages/flac/AUTHORS /usr/share/doc/packages/flac/README /usr/share/man/man1/flac.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/metaflac.1.gz rpm -qlp /tumbleweed/flac-doc-1.3.2-2.3.noarch.rpm /usr/share/doc/packages/flac /usr/share/doc/packages/flac/AUTHORS /usr/share/doc/packages/flac/COPYING.FDL /usr/share/doc/packages/flac/COPYING.GPL /usr/share/doc/packages/flac/COPYING.LGPL /usr/share/doc/packages/flac/COPYING.Xiph /usr/share/doc/packages/flac/FLAC.tag /usr/share/doc/packages/flac/README /usr/share/doc/packages/flac/api /usr/share/doc/packages/flac/api/_09_2all_8h_source.html /usr/share/doc/packages/flac/api/_09_2export_8h.html /usr/share/doc/packages/flac/api/_09_2export_8h_source.html /usr/share/doc/packages/flac/api/_09_2metadata_8h.html /usr/share/doc/packages/flac/api/_09_2metadata_8h_source.html /usr/share/doc/packages/flac/api/all_8h_source.html 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---- So how does the binary replace the documentation package? My package is from tumbleweed, so my purpose in posting here is two-fold: is this the way its setup in the latest opensuse package? Or is this limited to tumbleweed? Does anyone eve use this anymore? (sigh).... tnx... -l -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/05/2019 22.47, L A Walsh wrote:
So how does the binary replace the documentation package?
My package is from tumbleweed, so my purpose in posting here is two-fold: is this the way its setup in the latest opensuse package?
Or is this limited to tumbleweed?
Does anyone eve use this anymore? (sigh).... tnx...
I just tried on 15.1, and they don't conflict (neither is installed). I think I once converted my collection or part of it to flac, but as none of my hardware players take it, I deleted the files and took the mp3 files only. I can use it on my computer, certainly, but what's the point of a lossless perfect codec, if the room is noisy, and my speakers are not that good? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE, Leap 15.1 x86_64 (ssd-test)) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, 8 May 2019 23:35, Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@...> wrote:
On 07/05/2019 22.47, L A Walsh wrote:
So how does the binary replace the documentation package?
My package is from tumbleweed, so my purpose in posting here is two-fold: is this the way its setup in the latest opensuse package?
Or is this limited to tumbleweed?
Does anyone eve use this anymore? (sigh).... tnx...
I just tried on 15.1, and they don't conflict (neither is installed).
I think I once converted my collection or part of it to flac, but as none of my hardware players take it, I deleted the files and took the mp3 files only.
I can use it on my computer, certainly, but what's the point of a lossless perfect codec, if the room is noisy, and my speakers are not that good?
I'm using lossless codecs for spacesavings on longterm (master) backups. For CD-rips / Vinyl-rips / Studio-Tape-rips they get encoded via flac, just to make sure I can make small, lossy converts in the future for my mobile devices without loosing the the high quality source. There may come something better and/or free-to-use than aac or mp3. On the mobiles of today, anything better than 16bit HW is expensive. Maybe in the future the standard will be rise to 20bit or more. Doing a high quality 24bit dynamic range / 192kHz samplerate rip of a vinyl stereo or a multi-channel studio-tape is ~Expensive~, both in time and money for the equipment. Storing such a rip as WAV or RIFF is kind of stupid in terms of space used. So, flac[1] is the way to go. * up to 24bit dynamic range * up to 655kHz samplerate * up to 8 channels * free-to-use * Metadata support [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLAC - Yamaban -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/05/2019 22:35, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 07/05/2019 22.47, L A Walsh wrote:
So how does the binary replace the documentation package?
My package is from tumbleweed, so my purpose in posting here is two-fold: is this the way its setup in the latest opensuse package?
Or is this limited to tumbleweed?
Does anyone eve use this anymore? (sigh).... tnx... I just tried on 15.1, and they don't conflict (neither is installed).
I think I once converted my collection or part of it to flac, but as none of my hardware players take it, I deleted the files and took the mp3 files only.
I can use it on my computer, certainly, but what's the point of a lossless perfect codec, if the room is noisy, and my speakers are not that good?
What is the point of playing music at all in those circumstances ? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/05/2019 08.09, michael norman wrote:
On 08/05/2019 22:35, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 07/05/2019 22.47, L A Walsh wrote:
...
I just tried on 15.1, and they don't conflict (neither is installed).
I think I once converted my collection or part of it to flac, but as none of my hardware players take it, I deleted the files and took the mp3 files only.
I can use it on my computer, certainly, but what's the point of a lossless perfect codec, if the room is noisy, and my speakers are not that good?
What is the point of playing music at all in those circumstances ?
Really? :-o Then you also spend 3000 euros in purchasing the perfect computer, right? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE, Leap 15.1 x86_64 (ssd-test)) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 5/8/2019 2:35 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I think I once converted my collection or part of it to flac, but as none of my hardware players take it, I deleted the files and took the mp3 files only.
HW players in the past 5-8 years, usually do. As for why? So you only need 1 copy of your files. Most of the ones advertised as hi res on amazon will play flac since MP3 doesn't support hi rez. It's hard to find portable or living room players that don't support flac now -- especially since the storage issue is mostly solved. That was the big issue, really, but w/flac, only need 1 copy now. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/05/2019 22.15, L A Walsh wrote:
On 5/8/2019 2:35 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I think I once converted my collection or part of it to flac, but as none of my hardware players take it, I deleted the files and took the mp3 files only.
HW players in the past 5-8 years, usually do.
As for why? So you only need 1 copy of your files.
Most of the ones advertised as hi res on amazon will play flac since MP3 doesn't support hi rez.
Maybe, but my car CD player doesn't. I haven't tested flac via USB, though.
It's hard to find portable or living room players that don't support flac now -- especially since the storage issue is mostly solved.
But I don't have any recent player. Maybe the phone, I can connect it to the car audio system. I can try that.
That was the big issue, really, but w/flac, only need 1 copy now.
When I had flac, I also had mp3. I don't remember the size ratio. 20%? 10%? What about Google Chromecast, does it play flac? Google says yes, via Chrome. <https://developers.google.com/cast/docs/media> FLAC (up to 96kHz/24-bit) Is that Ok? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE, Leap 15.1 x86_64 (ssd-test)) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
What about Google Chromecast, does it play flac? Google says yes, via Chrome.
<https://developers.google.com/cast/docs/media>
FLAC (up to 96kHz/24-bit)
Is that Ok?
Chromecast will play FLAC files streamed to it from any app that plays them on a phone or tablet eg Tidal. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/05/2019 22.36, michael norman wrote:
What about Google Chromecast, does it play flac? Google says yes, via Chrome.
<https://developers.google.com/cast/docs/media>
FLAC (up to 96kHz/24-bit)
Is that Ok?
Chromecast will play FLAC files streamed to it from any app that plays them on a phone or tablet eg Tidal.
There is a difference, though. Some videos are converted on the phone and the converted stream is sent via network to the chromecast. This is bad. Other videos the device can play directly, and hopefully download himself without the phone intervention at all (except as remote control, kinda) There is also the question of what streams it can download directly from the LAN. hhtp, samba, nfs, ssh? Well, it appears the chromecast plays directly flac "up to 96kHz/24-bit". If you want more, the phone does the playing, then sends (probably lossy) to the chromecast. Thus my question. Is "up to 96kHz/24-bit" good enough? I don't remember. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE, Leap 15.1 x86_64 (ssd-test)) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/05/2019 21:47, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 09/05/2019 22.36, michael norman wrote:
What about Google Chromecast, does it play flac? Google says yes, via Chrome.
<https://developers.google.com/cast/docs/media>
FLAC (up to 96kHz/24-bit)
Is that Ok?
Chromecast will play FLAC files streamed to it from any app that plays them on a phone or tablet eg Tidal. There is a difference, though. Some videos are converted on the phone and the converted stream is sent via network to the chromecast. This is bad. Other videos the device can play directly, and hopefully download himself without the phone intervention at all (except as remote control, kinda)
There is also the question of what streams it can download directly from the LAN. hhtp, samba, nfs, ssh?
Well, it appears the chromecast plays directly flac "up to 96kHz/24-bit". If you want more, the phone does the playing, then sends (probably lossy) to the chromecast.
Thus my question. Is "up to 96kHz/24-bit" good enough? I don't remember.
IMO it certainly is. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/05/2019 23.00, michael norman wrote:
Thus my question. Is "up to 96kHz/24-bit" good enough? I don't remember.
IMO it certainly is.
Thanks :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE, Leap 15.1 x86_64 (ssd-test)) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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