Re: [opensuse] 1 CD install ready to test
samjnaa@gmail.com >>> Andreas, you will be publishing these 1 CD installs for the final SUSE 10 also, yes?
Yes that is the plan. I am also going to produce a Gnome iso with the help of a colleague in Australia, who is going to put together the desktop as I am not very experienced in Gnome.
A set of iso's with SUPER modifications already included will also be available in a few days. These iso's will be called -enhanced-kde.iso and enhanced-minimal.iso to differentiate them from the ones without any modifications (just straight openSUSE) called -standard-kde.iso and -standard-minimal.iso.
If the standard packages which you have currently uploaded to the said site are not having the enhancements, then how do you name the files super-openSUSE? Only because it is published by the project super?
a 1 CD install is already a performance enhancement to the normal SUSE 10 as it only needs 1 CD, installs very fast and is actually overall a bit faster than your standard install (since less is installed) I do consider it one of the experimental things SUPER is planned to cater for.
Methinks it is published by you, separate from project SUPER, since the idea of SUPER is to produce the enhanced versions, not remakes of the original plain SUSE distro. Would you not agree? If yes, it might be good to remove the potentially misleading prefix of super- from the filenames.
I do not and it is not misleading if people read my announcement and the actual site. My announcements speak clearly of standard as opposed to modified. Both are enhancements though.
Anyway: Great going, Andreas! I'll wait till gold to download your enhanced releases, since I have not sufficient Linux-knowledge for testing (and only now getting my Linux legs on 9.3...)
Not a prob. That is why I am doing it. Andreas
Hi, - postfix mail server not much use for a desktop m/c Aslo will you be adding acrobat reader, bit torrent client, java plugins, etc...or is it going to be vanilla kde ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The SUPER project concentrates on creating packages and modifications to SUSE Linux in the following areas: * Speed * Graphical Attractiveness * Missing features --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
* Lintech <lintech.mumbai@gmail.com> [09-04-05 07:29]:
- postfix mail server not much use for a desktop m/c
Then how will you receive system mail/reports ? -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery
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* Lintech <lintech.mumbai@gmail.com> [09-04-05 07:29]:
- postfix mail server not much use for a desktop m/c
Then how will you receive system mail/reports ?
Maybe a simple SMTP forwarding server would be sufficient. As it pretty much seems to target "desktop users", I don't think many of them would have their own SMTP at home. And if they do, well, they could still install the postfix package from SUSE 10.0. - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ <pascal.bleser@skynet.be> <guru@unixtech.be> _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDGv/2r3NMWliFcXcRAmifAJwLjtYF3+/YMOZRYnOboIHYMgqAQwCguzXT AbzU+QwUc1GDl/om5sEV35s= =PlTe -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>>> On Mon, Sep 5, 2005 at 12:42 am, in message <20050904124224.GN7745@wahoo.no-ip.org>, ptilopteri@gmail.com wrote: > * Lintech <lintech.mumbai@gmail.com> [09- 04- 05 07:29]: >> >> - postfix mail server not much use for a desktop m/c >> > > Then how will you receive system mail/reports ? I also always found it highly peculiar that one needs to run a full blown mailserver just to get reports. Removing that dependency of cron and removing postfix seems on a streamlined desktop quite OK to me. Andreas
Andreas Girardet wrote:
- postfix mail server not much use for a desktop m/c
Then how will you receive system mail/reports ?
I also always found it highly peculiar that one needs to run a full blown mailserver just to get reports. Removing that dependency of cron and removing postfix seems on a streamlined desktop quite OK to me.
I second that. - For a normal desktop you don't need an MTA. Just drop everything to syslog. - Next step would be simply to have one central configuration of a smarthost (so this setting would be also written automatically to mozilla/kmail/whateverMUA as default SMTP host). Mail from dialin-IPs is anyhow mostly rejected nowadays because of spam. - Only if some admin really wishes to have a fully-blown MTA, this should be installed, but not for a default installation. Ciao Siegbert
Sunday 04 Sep 2005 17:56 samaye Lintech alekhiit:
* Missing features
I have one: KNemo. See http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=12956. Or maybe KNetMeter but that's already suggested at: http://opensuse.org/index.php/Wishlist_Productivity#K. Try and whichever is better you can include. -- (o- Penguin #395953 lives at http://samvit.org //\ subsisting on ancient Indian wisdom ... V_/_ and modern computing efficiency! :)
On Mon, Sep 5, 2005 at 12:55 am, in message <200509041825.59151.samjnaa@gmail.com>, samjnaa@gmail.com wrote: Sunday 04 Sep 2005 17:56 samaye Lintech alekhiit:
* Missing features
I have one: KNemo. See http://www.kde- apps.org/content/show.php?content=12956. Or maybe KNetMeter but that's already suggested at: http://opensuse.org/index.php/Wishlist_Productivity#K.
Try and whichever is better you can include.
I like Knemo ;) Again space is an issue. Unless I can create space 1 CD is already full. Andreas
Hello My Email seems to have a wrong time stamp even though my system has the correct time. I have been noticing this, there have been issues with our internal email server and I wonder if that has anything to do with it. I apologize for the inconsistent time my email seems to be arriving at (sometimes correct, sometimes not) and the hazzle it might cause ..... I will try to get the root cause fixed. Andreas
* Andreas Girardet <agirardet@novell.com> [09-04-05 19:11]:
My Email seems to have a wrong time stamp even though my system has the correct time.
Near as I can tell from here, -500, your header times look fine. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery
>>> On Mon, Sep 5, 2005 at 12:15 pm, in message <20050905001541.GY7745@wahoo.no-ip.org>, ptilopteri@gmail.com wrote: > * Andreas Girardet <agirardet@novell.com> [09- 04- 05 19:11]: >> My Email seems to have a wrong time stamp even though my system has the >> correct time. > > Near as I can tell from here, - 500, your header times look fine. Now I am totally puzzled ....... but thanks for this .... my sent items in GW 7 must have the issue then .... Andreas
On Mon, Sep 5, 2005 at 12:26 am, in message <d29ab83d050904052643b988a3@mail.gmail.com>, lintech.mumbai@gmail.com wrote: Hi,
- postfix mail server not much use for a desktop m/c
Aslo will you be adding acrobat reader, bit torrent client, java plugins, etc...or is it going to be vanilla kde ?
I would love to add all that, but I have exactly 2 Mbyte left on a 700 Mbye iso. Or maybe one on here can help me figure out how to save more space. Maybe I should not include OpenOffice? Any ideas are appreciated. Andreas
Monday 05 Sep 2005 13:16 samaye Andreas Girardet alekhiit:
I would love to add all that, but I have exactly 2 Mbyte left on a 700 Mbye iso. Or maybe one on here can help me figure out how to save more space. Maybe I should not include OpenOffice?
Any ideas are appreciated.
Are you supplying both KOffice and OOo? One of them will do. Usually OOo has more features, I think. And how about the localization thing? Are you trying to provide language packs for everybody? Maybe you can select just a few. Hey, did you include the Tamil language pack for KDE? If you did not, you need not include the Romanian language pack for OOo either. (I've nothing against Romanians - just an example. I'm Tamil.) IMHO en, fr, de, es and it would be more than enough, what? Almost all Indian users of Linux certainly know en - a totally Indian version of Linux, at least one of the big Linuxes like SuSE or RH I have not seen yet. Also, in case you want to provide support for other languages too, maybe the Jigdo idea that was discussed sometime back on this list might work? You can allow people to download using the jigdo file for that particular language which will automatically load all those language packs only. Saves a lot of space, if I've understood the jigdo concept right. -- (o- Penguin #395953 lives at http://samvit.org //\ subsisting on ancient Indian wisdom ... V_/_ and modern computing efficiency! :)
On Mon, Sep 5, 2005 at 2:22 pm, in message <200509050752.25734.samjnaa@gmail.com>, samjnaa@gmail.com wrote: Monday 05 Sep 2005 13:16 samaye Andreas Girardet alekhiit:
I would love to add all that, but I have exactly 2 Mbyte left on a 700 Mbye iso. Or maybe one on here can help me figure out how to save more space. Maybe I should not include OpenOffice?
Any ideas are appreciated.
Are you supplying both KOffice and OOo? One of them will do. Usually OOo has
more features, I think. And how about the localization thing? Are you
Only OO-en trying
to provide language packs for everybody? Maybe you can select just a
few.
Hey, did you include the Tamil language pack for KDE? If you did not,
need not include the Romanian language pack for OOo either. (I've nothing against
Romanians - just an example. I'm Tamil.) IMHO en, fr, de, es and it would be more than enough, what? Almost all Indian users of Linux certainly know en - a totally Indian version of Linux, at least one of the big Linuxes
you like SuSE
700 Mbyte is not that much currently only english, spanish, french, german, czech, hungarian and italian language packs for kde included. Anything else is done via yast anyhow.
or RH I have not seen yet.
Also, in case you want to provide support for other languages too, maybe the
Jigdo idea that was discussed sometime back on this list might work? You can
allow people to download using the jigdo file for that particular language which will automatically load all those language packs only. Saves a lot of space, if I've understood the jigdo concept right.
will look at that, thanks Andreas
On Mon, Sep 05, 2005 at 01:46:21AM -0600, Andreas Girardet wrote:
I would love to add all that, but I have exactly 2 Mbyte left on a 700 Mbye iso. Or maybe one on here can help me figure out how to save more space. Maybe I should not include OpenOffice?
Any ideas are appreciated.
Steal ideas from the competition. ;-) Damn Small Linux goes on 50 MB. OK, they don't have KDE. Do you have a list of what is now on the CD, without needing to download the CD? I think ARCHIVES.gz does tell that. -- houghi http://www.opensuse.org/index.php/Making_a_DVD_from_CDs
On Mon, Sep 5, 2005 at 8:21 pm, in message <20050905082114.GA7049@penne>, houghi@houghi.org wrote: On Mon, Sep 05, 2005 at 01:46:21AM - 0600, Andreas Girardet wrote: I would love to add all that, but I have exactly 2 Mbyte left on a 700 Mbye iso. Or maybe one on here can help me figure out how to save more space. Maybe I should not include OpenOffice?
Any ideas are appreciated.
Steal ideas from the competition. ;- ) Damn Small Linux goes on 50 MB. OK, they don't have KDE.
Do you have a list of what is now on the CD, without needing to download the CD? I think ARCHIVES.gz does tell that.
http://opensuse.linux.co.nz/ftp/pub/SUPER/files/My.sel.kde That contains all the packages names of the next version (the online iso has some missing from the bottom of the file). Now I really only have 1.5 Mbyte left ;) ..... Will create a new iso based on this for rc-1. Andreas
Knoppix get a huge system on a CD with compression . I dont know how it works .. but hopefully its an option ? --- houghi <houghi@houghi.org> wrote:
Steal ideas from the competition. ;-) Damn Small Linux goes on 50 MB. OK, they don't have KDE.
Do you have a list of what is now on the CD, without needing to download the CD? I think ARCHIVES.gz does tell that. -- houghi
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On Tue, Sep 6, 2005 at 11:07 am, in message <20050905230700.65439.qmail@web25701.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>, winstongraeme@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Knoppix get a huge system on a CD with compression .
I dont know how it works .. but hopefully its an option ?
Cramfs if I remember right, but could be squasfs too ... must google..... certainly an option for the liveCD. Not really for a yast based installer though. Andreas
Hello all
On Mon, Sep 05, 2005 at 01:46:21AM -0600, Andreas Girardet wrote: I would love to add all that, but I have exactly 2 Mbyte left on a 700 Mbye iso. Or maybe one on here can help me figure out how to save more space. Maybe I should not include OpenOffice?
If space is a problem I wouldn't include OpenOffice on the 1 CD as it is super easy to download (from http://download.openoffice.org/) and install. The current version v1.9.125 "OOo_2.0beta2_LinuxIntel_install.tar.gz" is 101.7 Megs Or, instead of including OpenOffice on the CD, I would simply include a script (that does a wget when executed and then uses YaST to install the rpms) or use apt for that matter to download and install them automatically. Just my .02 euros worth. BTW, when can we expect the first take of the SUPER-enhanced-kde.iso? James
On Tue, Sep 6, 2005 at 7:10 am, in message <1125947416.7831.17.camel@linux.site>, pearson4j@wanadoo.fr wrote: Hello all
On Mon, Sep 05, 2005 at 01:46:21AM - 0600, Andreas Girardet wrote: I would love to add all that, but I have exactly 2 Mbyte left on a 700 Mbye iso. Or maybe one on here can help me figure out how to save more space. Maybe I should not include OpenOffice?
If space is a problem I wouldn't include OpenOffice on the 1 CD as it is super easy to download (from http://download.openoffice.org/) and install.
The current version v1.9.125 "OOo_2.0beta2_LinuxIntel_install.tar.gz" is 101.7 Megs
Or, instead of including OpenOffice on the CD, I would simply include a script (that does a wget when executed and then uses YaST to install the rpms) or use apt for that matter to download and install them automatically.
That is a good idea. I think this could be the way forward, thanks
Just my .02 euros worth.
worth a million bucks ...
BTW, when can we expect the first take of the SUPER- enhanced- kde.iso?
Well at the current stage of affairs I am not going to be able to do too much the week or so. We need more people to do actual work. Currently it is just Stepfan doing the preloading stuff, but all the rest is really done by me. And I do have a job as a consultant to do ;) Andreas
I would love to add all that, but I have exactly 2 Mbyte left on a 700 Mbye iso. Or maybe one on here can help me figure out how to save more space. Maybe I should not include OpenOffice?
Any ideas are appreciated.
Andreas
Hi, i have an idea ;-) Why use 700MB CD if there are 870MB CDs available? Maybe it is time to start using bigger CD's? ;-) -- SU ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Startuj z INTERIA.PL! >>> http://link.interia.pl/f186c
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 12:50:28AM +0200, SuSE UsER wrote:
Hi, i have an idea ;-) Why use 700MB CD if there are 870MB CDs available? Maybe it is time to start using bigger CD's? ;-)
I have been to two stores lately looking for 800MB CD's and I could only get 700MB. So I have a better idea, why not put it all on a DVD. That way we can put everything on it (although tht defeats the purpose. :-) -- houghi http://www.opensuse.org/index.php/Making_a_DVD_from_CDs
On Tue, Sep 6, 2005 at 10:22 pm, in message <20050906102223.GA8718@penne>, houghi@houghi.org wrote: On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 12:50:28AM +0200, SuSE UsER wrote: Hi, i have an idea ;- ) Why use 700MB CD if there are 870MB CDs available? Maybe it is time to start using bigger CD's? ;- )
I have been to two stores lately looking for 800MB CD's and I could only get 700MB. So I have a better idea, why not put it all on a DVD. That way we can put everything on it (although tht defeats the purpose. :- )
it sure does defeat the purpose. The whole point of a 1 CD install is to have it on 1CD so that it becomes really cheap to mass produce for marketing events to give away like hot cakes. I have personally no interest producing anything larger, if anyone here wants to, you are free to do so ;) Andreas
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 01:15:24AM -0600, Andreas Girardet wrote:
The whole point of a 1 CD install is to have it on 1CD so that it becomes really cheap to mass produce for marketing events to give away like hot cakes. I have personally no interest producing anything larger, if anyone here wants to, you are free to do so ;)
I will see if I find the time to make one DVD from all the CD's, but only if I find the time. :-D Seriously, I really like the 1 CD and I hope (open)SUSE will use it as the first CD. They need to just put the different packages on different CD's, so no overlap of the 1 CD instalation is happening. The moment you add software, you need additional disks. -- houghi http://www.opensuse.org/index.php/Making_a_DVD_from_CDs
I would love to add all that, but I have exactly 2 Mbyte left on a 700 Mbye iso. Or maybe one on here can help me figure out how to save more space. Maybe I should not include OpenOffice?
Any ideas are appreciated.
Andreas
Hi, i have an idea ;-) Why use 700MB CD if there are 870MB CDs available? Maybe it is time to start using bigger CD's? ;-) --
Well the problem I see here is: 700MB CD-R/RWs are the standard. Here in Nuremberg you don´t get bigger ones in most of the stores. And compared to the 700MB CDs they are really expensive.
So I have a better idea, why not put it all on a DVD. That way we can put everything on it (although tht defeats the purpose. :-) -
And I also don´t like burning DVDs;-) Also I have running some machines without a DVD-drive or Internet connection here. And I think many people out there don´t have a DVD-R/RW drive in their computers. regards, Florian
Tuesday 06 Sep 2005 16:03 samaye The Legion alekhiit:
Well the problem I see here is: 700MB CD-R/RWs are the standard. Here in Nuremberg you don´t get bigger ones in most of the stores.
Well even in India only 700 MB are ubiquitous. I never even knew that 800+ MB CDs existed. I just burn a DVD.
machines without a DVD-drive or Internet connection here. And I think many people out there don´t have a DVD-R/RW drive in their computers.
True. Single CD still has lots of attraction. Which is why I am downloading Knoppix right now for my travels. If I get a SuSE carry-with-you CD I will certainly have chosen that... -- (o- Penguin #395953 lives at http://samvit.org //\ subsisting on ancient Indian wisdom ... V_/_ and modern computing efficiency! :)
A CD is superior in many ways to a DVD. The size for one thing, combatibillity, installtime and userfriendliness for newcommers to linux. I have not yet recommended suse 9.3 to anyone with low technical competence. This is because of the amount of time and effort they would have to put into it. 1 cd install is important to ensure that new useres will start using suse linux. -- Regards Kenneth Aar
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 12:46:58PM +0200, Kenneth Aar wrote:
A CD is superior in many ways to a DVD. The size for one thing, combatibillity, installtime and userfriendliness for newcommers to linux. I have not yet recommended suse 9.3 to anyone with low technical competence. This is because of the amount of time and effort they would have to put into it. 1 cd install is important to ensure that new useres will start using suse linux.
I recomend SUSE (9.3 at this moment) to all beginners and non-technical people. I do say that they must buy the boxed version and have a recent PC. That way they can put in the DVD (or first CD) and start. -- houghi http://www.opensuse.org/index.php/Making_a_DVD_from_CDs
Am Dienstag, 6. September 2005 12:36 schrieb Shriramana Sharma:
True. Single CD still has lots of attraction. Which is why I am downloading Knoppix right now for my travels. If I get a SuSE carry-with-you CD I will certainly have chosen that...
what about SuSE-Live-CD ? -- mdc
On Tue, Sep 6, 2005 at 10:36 pm, in message <200509061606.38515.samjnaa@gmail.com>, samjnaa@gmail.com wrote: Tuesday 06 Sep 2005 16:03 samaye The Legion alekhiit:
Well the problem I see here is: 700MB CD- R/RWs are the standard. Here in Nuremberg you don?t get bigger ones in most of the stores.
Well even in India only 700 MB are ubiquitous. I never even knew that 800+ MB CDs existed. I just burn a DVD.
machines without a DVD- drive or Internet connection here. And I
yes I think 700 Mbyte is the only option think
many people out there don?t have a DVD- R/RW drive in their computers.
True. Single CD still has lots of attraction. Which is why I am downloading Knoppix right now for my travels. If I get a SuSE carry- with- you CD I will certainly have chosen that...
On of my last emails has some ideas on that Andreas
Am Dienstag, 6. September 2005 00:50 schrieb SuSE UsER:
I would love to add all that, but I have exactly 2 Mbyte left on a 700 Mbye iso. Or maybe one on here can help me figure out how to save more space. Maybe I should not include OpenOffice? Hi, i have an idea ;-) Why use 700MB CD if there are 870MB CDs available? Maybe it is time to start using bigger CD's? ;-)
What about compatibility? Are these CDs readable by elder CD-ROM drives? If not, it's better to use one more CD, than having all people to buy new drives. -- mdc
On Tuesday 06 of September 2005 13:29, meister@netz00.com wrote:
Am Dienstag, 6. September 2005 00:50 schrieb SuSE UsER:
I would love to add all that, but I have exactly 2 Mbyte left on a 700 Mbye iso. Or maybe one on here can help me figure out how to save more space. Maybe I should not include OpenOffice?
Hi, i have an idea ;-) Why use 700MB CD if there are 870MB CDs available? Maybe it is time to start using bigger CD's? ;-)
What about compatibility? Are these CDs readable by elder CD-ROM drives? If not, it's better to use one more CD, than having all people to buy new drives.
-- mdc
I don't know :-/ I have got an usual LG CD-RW and i can burn 870MB CD's using K3b. But it seems that this kind of CD is not too popular :-| Maybe 700MB CD is good enough :-) -- SU ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Startuj z INTERIA.PL! >>> http://link.interia.pl/f186c
Yes that is the plan. I am also going to produce a Gnome iso with the help of a colleague in Australia, who is going to put together the desktop as I am not very experienced in Gnome.
Any time frame for the Gnome 1 CD release?
On Mon, Sep 5, 2005 at 1:40 am, in message <1125841228.7857.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>, kashms@gmail.com wrote:
Yes that is the plan. I am also going to produce a Gnome iso with the help of a colleague in Australia, who is going to put together the desktop as I am not very experienced in Gnome.
Any time frame for the Gnome 1 CD release?
This week .... if all goes OK. Just before rc1 comes out. Andreas
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