Re: [SLE] Floppy drive vs. SUSE 10.0
Does your IIe run Linux :-) BTW: I had an original Apple II (no e).
LOL! No, um DOS 3.3 and/or ProDOS, IIRC. The thing is up in the garage somewhere. The thread just started me thinking how I never use floppies anymore. My laptop - running 10.0 - has no floppy drive. I either use my USB key or burn a CD/DVD or just email/ftp stuff on and off the computer. Right now, the laptop is hooked up to my corporate LAN and sharing my local comptuer's hard drive, thanks to Samba. (Let's hope the new CIFS doesn't cause all heck to break lose, when that gets released.) -- kai ponte www.perfectreign.com linux - genuine windows replacement part
On Wednesday 02 November 2005 1:44 pm, Kai Ponte wrote:
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On 11/2/05, James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> wrote:
You forgot about tape based primary storage and punch cards. Used all of those circa 1980. Something I never used was core memory. Little magnets with wires wrapped around them. One magnet per bit. I'll let the old guys on the list brag about those. Greg -- Greg Freemyer The Norcross Group Forensics for the 21st Century
* James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> [11-02-05 19:13]:
Anyone here remember 8" floppies? Hard sectors? CP/M?
Wordstar -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2
On Wednesday 02 November 2005 18:31, James Knott wrote:
Ah, the good old days! Zenix, Esix, CP/M, low level formats, MFM, RLL and the like. I remember installing a 16550 Uart chip so I could get the bbs up and running on a USRobotics HST modem. I had this one computer based on CP/M that was built like a frick'in tank... I'm sure if you had two of these, you could drive you're car up on em to change the oil. I also had a ISA card for RLL drives that would take a say 20MB hd and put it at around 40MB. Can't recall the name though. And Wordstar, great program... and it worked just fine off of Wyse terminals. How about LANtastic? ;) Dana
On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 21:18 -0700, Dana J. Laude wrote:
I certainly remember tape drives - though that would have been grade school - I still have an 8" diskette from my Navy days - I also remember he wonderful days of BBS and 1200 baud modems and using procomm to download 40kb of data (it took hours!) I stepped away from computing for a few years and low and behold jumpers were practically a thing of the past and memory was geater than storage ever used to be.
* James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> [11-02-05 20:33]:
Yep, used Wordstar 2000 at work a few years back.
Wordstar was my first "word processor", on cp/m. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2
On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 19:50 -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
WordSTAR 7.0 D still running just fine on hda1 still can not duplicate its ability to print justified formatted ascii anywhere else. -- _______ _______ _______ __ / ____\ \ / / ____|_ _\ \ / / | | \ \ /\ / / (___ | | \ \ / / | | \ \/ \/ / \___ \ | | \ \/ / | |____ \ /\ / ____) |_| |_ \ / \_____| \/ \/ |_____/|_____| \/ | \ /|\ || |\ / |~~\ /~~\ /~~| //~~\ | \ / | \ || | X |__/| || |( `--. |__ | | \| \_/ / \ | \ \__/ \__| \\__/
On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 07:25:17PM -0800, Carl William Spitzer IV wrote:
PDP machines are actually quite useful as someone brought them up on here not long ago. they have to be big from the looks of them. for editing, I use Vi and Emacs. Vi is way older than DOS ;) Currently looking for some older machines but can't find any. I don't want to use Ebay so I'm trying to at my college get some of their older stuff. Looking for these right now: A WORKING 286 machine with the software for it. A 386 working with NIC, at least 500 MB HD and monitor and mouse. A few 486s because I find them useful. We have one at work I use every weekend I'm there to play Doom and Wolfenstein I'd like a couple of these though with NICs, Monitors, A mouse, keyboard, needs to play Doom I have this for these machines: PC-DOS 6.3 (All original, and it works well, I got it to install on a 2.40 GHz processor box with 128 MB Nvidia card and an 80 GB HD and 512 RAM. It didn't find all of it but it booted. DOS looks cool on a 17 inch monitor lol. Windows 1.0 Windows 2 Windows 3 Windows 9X Free BSD Linux
Allen wrote:
PDP machines are actually quite useful as someone brought them up on here not long ago. they have to be big from the looks of them.
Generally, they were installed in large cabinets. However, there were also some microprocessor versions (LSI-11) that weren't much bigger than today's desktop systmes. There was even one from Heathkit.
On Friday 04 November 2005 6:18 am, Allen wrote:
Vi was written by Bill Joy in 1976. EMACS was initially born in 1972 as an upgrade of TECO. Richard Stallman added some macro features to it n 1974. But the first official EMACS was done by RMS in 1976. All was done at the MIT AI lab. Both predate DOS :-) In the early 1970s, Burger King's point of sale system was a DEC PDP-8 with 4K 12-bit core memory, and did just about everything a POS is supposed to do. The PDP-8 was no bigger than some of today's PCs. -- Jerry Feldman <gaf@blu.org> Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9
Allen wrote:
Real programmers use ed. :-) Vi is for sissies. Vi is just a front end for screen display, but under the hood ed is still very much alive and kicking. With ed you can turn a MB text file (about a 1000 page book) into garbage at the drop of a hat. Ed has only one error message: ? (pronounce: Huh?) So you'd type in 1,$s/\([0-9]*\)\([a-zA-Z. ]*\)$/\2 \1/ to (yes!) interchange all student numbers and student names in a document and ed would come back with Huh?, because you forgot the couple of spaces between number and name. But after a day of trial and error it was very rewarding to have those two columns, in fact, interchanged. :-) OTOH you might have turned the whole file into garbage. So ed taught you to back up or else... Regards, -- Jos van Kan registered Linux user #152704
On Fri, 2005-11-04 at 06:18 -0500, Allen wrote: <SNIP>
I have immages of the install disks for Win311 and somewhere outside its case a disassembled 486 with extra printer port needed by directionality for use with IOMEGA zip. I think it still has the 8 1mb memory cards still plugged in. Working when replaced. Case was rusted so it went to scrap. Win98SE needs to install over existing win311 and also requires boot disk to make work. Although I have a iso if you have a DVD. It was on a small partition. I am not sure where the sound and graphics are for that old 486. It was a DX2 66 last I ran it. -- _______ _______ _______ __ / ____\ \ / / ____|_ _\ \ / / | | \ \ /\ / / (___ | | \ \ / / | | \ \/ \/ / \___ \ | | \ \/ / | |____ \ /\ / ____) |_| |_ \ / \_____| \/ \/ |_____/|_____| \/ | \ /|\ || |\ / |~~\ /~~\ /~~| //~~\ | \ / | \ || | X |__/| || |( `--. |__ | | \| \_/ / \ | \ \__/ \__| \\__/
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mike wrote:
Hey Don't knock 8" floppies, I still have a working electron microscope here that uses them for it's X-ray spectrometer library via a cpm computer BoB C -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDaYXKjwV5n5LkO9YRAi9pAJ9a64UZUhiM90yW4RrUlS7RhgJ5UACdELtc PEWfzXMuvBbs5SacR+B2Z+8= =TTUi -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Wednesday 02 November 2005 10:36 pm, Robert Cunningham wrote:
When a system in a restaurant needed a software update, we would schedule that to occur after that store downloaded its daily data. The system had 4K 12-bit words (except in Ct where we had 8 K because we had to accumulate both meals and sales tax). If the system crashed and needed to have its code reloaded, a serviceman was called, and he had a case with a paper tape board and paper tape reader. Note that An Wang (founder of Wang labs) co-invented core memories. -- Jerry Feldman <gaf@blu.org> Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9
On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 08:01:17PM -0500, Mike wrote:
The first computer I ever bought is the one I'm typing on. Pentium 3 733 MHz Processor, 128 RAM and 43 GB Hd. Yea, you people are older than shit and got to play with neat toys while I'm sitting here like "uhhhh.... I have Windows 98 CDs!".... I've actually used CPM, DOS, And Windows 3.
On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 07:22 -0500, Allen wrote:
Kids these days have such nice toys. I still use this PII 350 with 8mb graphics and 256mb memory running 9.2. Likely I should add more memory. Multiboot with PCDOS2000 for legacy apps. -- _______ _______ _______ __ / ____\ \ / / ____|_ _\ \ / / | | \ \ /\ / / (___ | | \ \ / / | | \ \/ \/ / \___ \ | | \ \/ / | |____ \ /\ / ____) |_| |_ \ / \_____| \/ \/ |_____/|_____| \/ | \ /|\ || |\ / |~~\ /~~\ /~~| //~~\ | \ / | \ || | X |__/| || |( `--. |__ | | \| \_/ / \ | \ \__/ \__| \\__/
On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 20:01 -0500, Mike wrote:
My first was Radio Shack 4p two single sided low density 5.25 floppy's no HD and needed a disk knotcher to use other side of floppy. Used LSDOS after RS gave up on maintaining their own. Had a 300 baud internal modem screen and computer in one unit and kb which fit into slot below screen. But at least I did not need a daughter card to get 80 columns. I had a Pascal compiler which cost extra $200. Whole thing about $2k for 64k ram with Z80 processors like those in the original Hubble and space shuttles. -- _______ _______ _______ __ / ____\ \ / / ____|_ _\ \ / / | | \ \ /\ / / (___ | | \ \ / / | | \ \/ \/ / \___ \ | | \ \/ / | |____ \ /\ / ____) |_| |_ \ / \_____| \/ \/ |_____/|_____| \/
On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 19:11 -0500, James Knott wrote:
Yup. Used them at a shop I worked at to supply CNC data to a milling machine that was running concurrent dos. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998
On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 17:07 +0200, Silviu Marin-Caea wrote:
I think we had those in HS back in 1979. They were IBM dancing ball. You had to hand calculate hyphenation and spacing in order to justify paragraphs and pages. -- _______ _______ _______ __ / ____\ \ / / ____|_ _\ \ / / | | \ \ /\ / / (___ | | \ \ / / | | \ \/ \/ / \___ \ | | \ \/ / | |____ \ /\ / ____) |_| |_ \ / \_____| \/ \/ |_____/|_____| \/ | \ /|\ || |\ / |~~\ /~~\ /~~| //~~\ | \ / | \ || | X |__/| || |( `--. |__ | | \| \_/ / \ | \ \__/ \__| \\__/
On Fri, 2005-11-04 at 19:57 -0800, Carl William Spitzer IV wrote:
Actually I think the first computer I used was called a slide rule, back in high school, as there were no 'computers' then (late 1960's). -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998
Ken Schneider wrote:
Actually I think the first computer I used was called a slide rule, back in high school, as there were no 'computers' then (late 1960's).
I also had a slip stick for high school classes. I've still got it and it still boots up without any problems. ;-)
* James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> [11-05-05 08:05]:
Gee, must have been something going around. I had a slip-stick too in high school, late '50s... -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2
On Sat, Nov 05, 2005 at 07:08:29AM -0500, Ken Schneider wrote:
Yes there was ;) Eniac was what 194x something. Something most people dont know was that the first programmer ever was a woman and the first computer ws designed in the 1800s.
On Monday 07 November 2005 01:49, Allen wrote:
1944 I think But don't forget Konrad Zuse (not to be mistaken with suse) who made the first ever digital computer, completed in 1938
Something most people dont know was that the first programmer ever was a woman and the first computer ws designed in the 1800s.
Yes, Linda Lovelace had many talents
Anders Johansson wrote:
Last I heard, she was into "acting". She also hid her age very well. ;-) Perhaps you meant Ada Byron "Lady Lovelace"? http://www.agnesscott.edu/lriddle/women/love.htm
On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 03:16:09 +0100 Anders Johansson <.> wrote:
But don't forget Konrad Zuse (not to be mistaken with suse) who made the first ever digital computer, completed in 1938
If he prepared the first computer, then what should Dr. Google write on the Hungarian "Neumann Janos" ?! Regards, Pelibali
On Monday 07 November 2005 22:04, pelibali wrote:
That he invented the computer architecture used in most modern machines, where the program is stored in the data space itself, commonly known as von Neumann architecture.. But that was almost a decade later Besides, I didn't say "first computer", I said "first digital computer". I believe the first "computers" were designed by Pascal (automatic adding machine) and Leibniz (automatic multiplying machine) in the 1600s and 1700s respectively. The first computer that was somewhat general purpose was probably the analytical engine of Charles Babbage in the 1800s There are many firsts
On 03-Nov-05 James Knott wrote:
Anyone here remember 8" floppies? Hard sectors? CP/M?
Does an HP-85 programmable calculator count? That was my first personally owned programmable machine. I even embarked on a (mental) project, to design a frame to fit it into, attached to a paper-tape reader where a pattern of holes in the tape would operate on of a set of push-rods on the frame so as to press one of the HP-85's buttons (I wanted to be able to store my sometimes complicated prgrams, you see, rather than have to key them in by hand every time). However, this ran into design overload when I realised that, to eliminate the overhead of punching the tape by hand, consulting a list of hole-patterns, I needed the inverse mechanism: A maquette of the HP-85 keyboard panel linked to a tape-punch. Anyway, this became obsolete when (a) the HP-85 was stolen, (b) it was then replaced by the new TI-59 calculator, which stored its prgrams (and data) on little magnetic cards. But my first *real* personal computer was a Sharp MZ-80B. I don't know if this is what Dana Laude was referring to, but it was certainly built like a tank! Twin 5.25in floppies, 64K RAM, and you could get CP/M for it (which I did), and an optional 64K extra in two 32K pages for graphics RAM (and if you were OK with Z80 assembler you could borrow this as extra program RAM since when in use it paged in over the top 32K of main RAM). Anyway, the great thing here was that at about the same time (very early 80s) there was Aztech C -- a very capable implementation of C for CP/M. And so it goes ... I still have that machine, along with the 300-baud Andersen-Jacobsen acoustic modem (two rubber cups) I used to use with it. Mind you, if we're realy going back, I remember doing a summer vac job as a student in 1957, where the task I was given something to do with was programming a timing loop for one of the very early IBM mainframes. The issue was that -- apart from the enormous phalanx of massive mag tape units along one wall, the machine relied on a magnetic drum for more rapid access of data and program. Because the drum spun faster than the data could be read continuously, you had to read a bit and then wait until the next bit came round on the next turn. Meanwhile you could so something else -- but you had to be ready to read the sequel to the first bit when it came round. Hence the timing loop ... That was a long time ago. Anyone on this list worked on ENIAC? Cheers, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 03-Nov-05 Time: 16:45:09 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------
At 07:58 PM 11/3/2005 -0500, James Knott wrote:
I seem to remember that only some 5-1/4" disks used hard sectoring. They were the ones with a whole slew of holes around the center. Nicht wahr? --doug
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On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 19:11 -0500, James Knott wrote:
Back in the mid 1980's Cal Poly SLO had some antiques like that up and running. Also a PDP11 machine. We were still using punch cards for the assembly classes. One year they had five next year two, aint cannabilism great.
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On Wednesday 02 November 2005 1:44 pm, Kai Ponte wrote:
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On 11/2/05, James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> wrote:
You forgot about tape based primary storage and punch cards. Used all of those circa 1980. Something I never used was core memory. Little magnets with wires wrapped around them. One magnet per bit. I'll let the old guys on the list brag about those. Greg -- Greg Freemyer The Norcross Group Forensics for the 21st Century
* James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> [11-02-05 19:13]:
Anyone here remember 8" floppies? Hard sectors? CP/M?
Wordstar -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2
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