[opensuse] Fedora Vs. Opensuse
Right off the bat, let me just say this is not meant to end up as a flame bait. I am currently just at a crossroad as whether to install fedora 10 or opensuse 11.1 on my laptop and I am at a loss as both of them seems to be equally matched. Can the people of the opensuse mailing just tell me one or two reasons why you prefer opensuse compared to Fedora? Thank you. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Low Kian Seong <low.suse@gmail.com> wrote:
Right off the bat, let me just say this is not meant to end up as a flame bait. I am currently just at a crossroad as whether to install fedora 10 or opensuse 11.1 on my laptop and I am at a loss as both of them seems to be equally matched. Can the people of the opensuse mailing just tell me one or two reasons why you prefer opensuse compared to Fedora?
http://en.opensuse.org/Why_to_use_openSUSE Cheers -J -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2009-01-30 at 12:04 +0800, Low Kian Seong wrote:
Right off the bat, let me just say this is not meant to end up as a flame bait. I am currently just at a crossroad as whether to install fedora 10 or opensuse 11.1 on my laptop and I am at a loss as both of them seems to be equally matched. Can the people of the opensuse mailing just tell me one or two reasons why you prefer opensuse compared to Fedora?
Thank you. yast very complete repositories many mirror accessible all the time
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Low Kian Seong wrote:
Right off the bat, let me just say this is not meant to end up as a flame bait. I am currently just at a crossroad as whether to install fedora 10 or opensuse 11.1 on my laptop and I am at a loss as both of them seems to be equally matched. Can the people of the opensuse mailing just tell me one or two reasons why you prefer opensuse compared to Fedora?
Sure, for one, Fedora DOESN'T have Yast, nor do they have any utility anywhere near as good. Second, over all, there's better hardware support in openSUSE. And, third, there's MUCH better KDE support in openSUSE...ANY version of KDE....fact. That should be enough for ya. ;) Fred -- Someone is a liberal when you can't reason them out of anything, because they never reason themselves into any position. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2009-01-30 at 01:07 -0500, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Low Kian Seong wrote:
Right off the bat, let me just say this is not meant to end up as a flame bait. I am currently just at a crossroad as whether to install fedora 10 or opensuse 11.1 on my laptop and I am at a loss as both of them seems to be equally matched. Can the people of the opensuse mailing just tell me one or two reasons why you prefer opensuse compared to Fedora?
Sure, for one, Fedora DOESN'T have Yast, nor do they have any utility anywhere near as good. Second, over all, there's better hardware support in openSUSE. And, third, there's MUCH better KDE support in openSUSE...ANY version of KDE....fact. That should be enough for ya. ;)
I run fedora10 on my laptop and openSUSE 11.1 on my workstation. Both have very good pluses and minuses. I use gnome, so no KDE rants here. I do not like what yast has become for software management. A very bloated, GUI mess. I'd rather use yum, so I end up using zypper on the SuSE box. I like the integration of compiz-fusion on the fedora box better than on the suse box. The keychain tool for ssh agent is more integrated with fedora. I do not use beagle, but tracker. If you look you can find it for suse. Mono is better on suse than fedora. Suse does have better system management with yast (minus software managment). I will stay with fedora on the laptop and I'll stay with suse on the workstation. Not much help I guess. -- Brian Millett - [ Ombuds Wellington, "The Quality of Mercy"] "Spacing is only invoked under conditions of mutiny or treason."
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Brian Millett <bmillett@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 2009-01-30 at 01:07 -0500, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Low Kian Seong wrote:
Right off the bat, let me just say this is not meant to end up as a flame bait. I am currently just at a crossroad as whether to install fedora 10 or opensuse 11.1 on my laptop and I am at a loss as both of them seems to be equally matched. Can the people of the opensuse mailing just tell me one or two reasons why you prefer opensuse compared to Fedora?
Sure, for one, Fedora DOESN'T have Yast, nor do they have any utility anywhere near as good. Second, over all, there's better hardware support in openSUSE. And, third, there's MUCH better KDE support in openSUSE...ANY version of KDE....fact. That should be enough for ya. ;)
I run fedora10 on my laptop and openSUSE 11.1 on my workstation. Both have very good pluses and minuses. I use gnome, so no KDE rants here. I do not like what yast has become for software management. A very bloated, GUI mess. I'd rather use yum, so I end up using zypper on the SuSE box. I like the integration of compiz-fusion on the fedora box better than on the suse box. The keychain tool for ssh agent is more integrated with fedora. I do not use beagle, but tracker. If you look you can find it for suse. Mono is better on suse than fedora. Suse does have better system management with yast (minus software managment).
I will stay with fedora on the laptop and I'll stay with suse on the workstation. Not much help I guess.
I also think Redhat is far more aggressive about moving to new kernel features / functionalities than opensuse. For instance, the move from the old IDE drivers to the new was done in Fedora prior to being done in any other distro that I'm aware of. At the time the new IDE drivers (added to libata) were not only leading edge, they were bleeding edge. It was great for linux as a whole to get such a big test community for those drivers, but it caused a huge amount of pain. You will see lots of complaints now about the way suse has moved to KDE 4 prematurely, but it has been relatively easy for users to stick to 3.5 or move to gnome. Redhat is does not seem to maintain the old funtionality in Fedora near as well Novell does in OpenSUSE. So my thought is I would rather be on the leading edge with OpenSUSE, not the bleeding edge with Fedora. Greg -- Greg Freemyer Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer First 99 Days Litigation White Paper - http://www.norcrossgroup.com/forms/whitepapers/99%20Days%20whitepaper.pdf The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2009/01/30 15:54 (GMT-0500) Greg Freemyer composed:
I also think Redhat is far more aggressive about moving to new kernel features / functionalities than opensuse.
For instance, the move from the old IDE drivers to the new was done in Fedora prior to being done in any other distro that I'm aware of.
This meant that many multiboot IDE users were screwed. Not only couldn't libata drivers provide access to partitions above #15, the Anaconda installer would, and last I checked several months ago still does, crash on finding partitions above #5, whether you wanted Fedora to access them or not. IOW, Fedora 6 and prior users who could not upgrade via Yum were entirely cut off if they could not or would not reduce partition count to 15 or less. Fedora's attitude was *nobody* could possibly justify that many partitions and anyone thinking they could should use LVM instead.
At the time the new IDE drivers (added to libata) were not only leading edge, they were bleeding edge.
It was great for linux as a whole to get such a big test community for those drivers, but it caused a huge amount of pain.
Bleeding edge is not just about kernel. It's also about getting other software versions out quickly. A corollary to bleeding edge is the haste to loose backward compatibility and support for older hardware. If you're one who likes to keep working hardware useful as long as possible, Fedora shouldn't be your first choice. -- "Train a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not turn from it." Proverbs 22:6 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 30 January 2009 05:39:25 pm Felix Miata wrote:
Not only couldn't libata drivers provide access to partitions above #15, the Anaconda installer would, and last I checked several months ago still does, crash on finding partitions above #5, whether you wanted Fedora to access them or not.
Would be that reason for Anaconda in Fedora 10 refusing to use /dev/sda6 as installation partition? I wasn't happy to see failure after 3 hours of download and burning DVD. Last time I ditched RH was when it failed to initialize graphic adapter, where SUSE had no problems. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I will chip in here =]. Initially a friend of mine who was using fedora griped that opensuse is less LSB compared to Fedora specifically he was talking about opensuse's apache config which uses /srv/www/htdocs as the document root. I went and looked this up and it turns out that /srv/www/htdocs is the official recommended LSB for cgi files or static html files. On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Low Kian Seong <low.suse@gmail.com> wrote:
Right off the bat, let me just say this is not meant to end up as a flame bait. I am currently just at a crossroad as whether to install fedora 10 or opensuse 11.1 on my laptop and I am at a loss as both of them seems to be equally matched. Can the people of the opensuse mailing just tell me one or two reasons why you prefer opensuse compared to Fedora?
Thank you.
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On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 11:04 PM, Low Kian Seong <low.suse@gmail.com> wrote:
Right off the bat, let me just say this is not meant to end up as a flame bait. I am currently just at a crossroad as whether to install fedora 10 or opensuse 11.1 on my laptop and I am at a loss as both of them seems to be equally matched. Can the people of the opensuse mailing just tell me one or two reasons why you prefer opensuse compared to Fedora?
I usually recommend that people try both, since there's no cost to you (except for a bit of time) to test each distro out. Yes, I have a preference (um, yes, openSUSE) -- but Linux is very much about choice, and I'm a big fan of informed choice. Some of the things I think that make openSUSE unique: * YaST -- most comprehensive system management tool for Linux. * Zypper -- very fast package management, a great RPM front-end and easy to use. I much prefer Zypper to Yum. * KDE -- if you're a KDE user, I think you'll find that openSUSE's KDE distribution is extremely well-polished, whether you're using KDE 3.5 or 4.1x (or the 4.2 packages we released last week.) * GNOME -- if you're a GNOME user, I think you'll find that our GNOME rocks as well. We have a really well-polished GNOME distribution, and a growing and awesome GNOME community as well. * openSUSE Education -- http://en.opensuse.org/Education Great project for supporting Linux in schools around openSUSE. * openSUSE Build Service -- you can often find many of the very latest releases (like KDE 4.2 or GNOME Do 0.8) nearly as soon as they're released and sometimes even simultaneously with the official upstream release. I make pretty heavy use of the build service to add stuff like Gwibber and the latest KDE to my systems rather than waiting for them to be in the next release of openSUSE. Note that this *may* apply to Fedora or other distros as well if the packagers decide to support those distros in the build service too -- since our build service is capable of building packages for multiple distros, not just suse-based. Just a few of the reasons I really enjoy openSUSE -- and I think you'd agree. But, the best thing for you may be to install both and try each release out for a week or two before deciding. Best of luck, and have a lot of fun! Zonker -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier <jzb@zonker.net> openSUSE Community Manager: http://zonker.opensuse.org Blogs: http://blogs.zdnet.com/community | http://www.dissociatedpress.net Twitter: jzb | Identica: jzb http://identi.ca/group/opensuse/members -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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