[opensuse] 13.2 to 42 howto upgrade
Hi In the past we changed the repository links, e.g. from 13.1 to 13.2 and ran zypper dup It was easy because only the number changed. Can we use the same method with a new name, leap? Is leap a new idea and we have to start over? Thanks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
buhorojo composed on 2015-11-16 06:35 (UTC+0100):
In the past we changed the repository links, e.g. from 13.1 to 13.2 and ran zypper dup It was easy because only the number changed. Can we use the same method with a new name, leap? Is leap a new idea and we have to start over?
The repo links simply need a slightly bigger change, e.g.: old: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/13.2/repo/oss/ new: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1/repo/oss/ -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 16/11/15 07:16, Felix Miata wrote:
buhorojo composed on 2015-11-16 06:35 (UTC+0100):
In the past we changed the repository links, e.g. from 13.1 to 13.2 and ran zypper dup It was easy because only the number changed. Can we use the same method with a new name, leap? Is leap a new idea and we have to start over? The repo links simply need a slightly bigger change, e.g.:
old: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/13.2/repo/oss/
new: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1/repo/oss/ Got it. Thanks. _Are_ members here upgrading?
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buhorojo wrote:
On 16/11/15 07:16, Felix Miata wrote:
buhorojo composed on 2015-11-16 06:35 (UTC+0100):
In the past we changed the repository links, e.g. from 13.1 to 13.2 and ran zypper dup It was easy because only the number changed. Can we use the same method with a new name, leap? Is leap a new idea and we have to start over? The repo links simply need a slightly bigger change, e.g.:
old: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/13.2/repo/oss/
new: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1/repo/oss/ Got it. Thanks. _Are_ members here upgrading?
Personally - installing for testing yes, upgrading no. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (12.1°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 16/11/15 08:59, buhorojo wrote:
_Are_ members here upgrading?
Not yet. 13.2 works well for me. I'll probably upgrade when 13.2 reaches EOL. Bob -- Bob Williams System: Linux 3.16.7-29-desktop Distro: openSUSE 13.2 (x86_64) with KDE Development Platform: 4.14.9 Uptime: 06:00am up 2 days 13:09, 4 users, load average: 1.06, 1.00, 0.97
On 16/11/15 19:59, buhorojo wrote:
On 16/11/15 07:16, Felix Miata wrote:
buhorojo composed on 2015-11-16 06:35 (UTC+0100):
In the past we changed the repository links, e.g. from 13.1 to 13.2 and ran zypper dup It was easy because only the number changed. Can we use the same method with a new name, leap? Is leap a new idea and we have to start over? The repo links simply need a slightly bigger change, e.g.:
old: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/13.2/repo/oss/
new: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1/repo/oss/ Got it. Thanks. _Are_ members here upgrading?
Certainly not this household. 13.2 is more than fine: has everything, does everything, allows the use of a different wallpaper for each desktop ... Leap is installed on a laptop for the purposes of curiosity (and Tumbleweed is also installed for same reason) but there is no intention to use either as the main system. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.2, KDE 4.14.9 & kernel 4.3.0-4 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 16/11/15 11:17, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 16/11/15 19:59, buhorojo wrote:
On 16/11/15 07:16, Felix Miata wrote:
buhorojo composed on 2015-11-16 06:35 (UTC+0100):
In the past we changed the repository links, e.g. from 13.1 to 13.2 and ran zypper dup It was easy because only the number changed. Can we use the same method with a new name, leap? Is leap a new idea and we have to start over? The repo links simply need a slightly bigger change, e.g.:
old: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/13.2/repo/oss/
new: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1/repo/oss/ Got it. Thanks. _Are_ members here upgrading?
Certainly not this household. 13.2 is more than fine: has everything, does everything, allows the use of a different wallpaper for each desktop ...
Leap is installed on a laptop for the purposes of curiosity (and Tumbleweed is also installed for same reason) but there is no intention to use either as the main system.
BC
Hi Ah, thanks. So we're not sure. Is version 42.1 what would have been version 13.3 or will there perhaps be a 13.3 at some stage? Thanks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
buhorojo wrote:
Ah, thanks. So we're not sure. Is version 42.1 what would have been version 13.3 or will there perhaps be a 13.3 at some stage?
No and no :-) You can read about Leap here: https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Leap -- Per Jessen, Zürich (13.6°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 16/11/15 11:38, Per Jessen wrote:
buhorojo wrote:
Ah, thanks. So we're not sure. Is version 42.1 what would have been version 13.3 or will there perhaps be a 13.3 at some stage? No and no :-)
You can read about Leap here: https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Leap
Thanks for the link. There we see ' Much of this will hold true for openSUSE Leap when it becomes the regular release.'. So leap is not a regular release. When will it become the regular release? If I go to opensuse.org, I see that it the regular release; it's the one offered as the latest stable release. This time last year it was 13.2. Has the numbering changed? Please forgive our thickness today. We are not regular viewers of the list and just want clarification. TIA -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
buhorojo composed on 2015-11-16 17:37 (UTC+0100):
Per Jessen wrote:
You can read about Leap here: https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Leap
Thanks for the link.
There we see ' Much of this will hold true for openSUSE Leap when it becomes the regular release.'. So leap is not a regular release. When will it become the regular release? If I go to opensuse.org, I see that it the regular release; it's the one offered as the latest stable release. This time last year it was 13.2. Has the numbering changed?
Please refresh that page. It was missing needed post-release updating. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
buhorojo wrote:
On 16/11/15 11:38, Per Jessen wrote:
buhorojo wrote:
Ah, thanks. So we're not sure. Is version 42.1 what would have been version 13.3 or will there perhaps be a 13.3 at some stage? No and no :-)
You can read about Leap here: https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Leap
Thanks for the link.
There we see ' Much of this will hold true for openSUSE Leap when it becomes the regular release.'. So leap is not a regular release. When will it become the regular release? If I go to opensuse.org, I see that it the regular release; it's the one offered as the latest stable release. This time last year it was 13.2. Has the numbering changed?
Lots of stuff has changed. There are two openSUSE distros today - Leap and Tumbleweed. That's all. I would call Leap the regular release, although how regular has yet to be determined. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (11.6°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 16 November 2015 at 09:59, buhorojo <buhorojo.lcb@gmail.com> wrote:
On 16/11/15 07:16, Felix Miata wrote:
buhorojo composed on 2015-11-16 06:35 (UTC+0100):
In the past we changed the repository links, e.g. from 13.1 to 13.2 and ran zypper dup It was easy because only the number changed. Can we use the same method with a new name, leap? Is leap a new idea and we have to start over?
The repo links simply need a slightly bigger change, e.g.:
old: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/13.2/repo/oss/
new: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1/repo/oss/
Got it. Thanks. _Are_ members here upgrading?
Yes I personally prefer using the DVD Media to upgrade, by booting from the disk and choosing upgrade - it's a little more reliable, as you have no processes running in the system under upgrade and therefore nothing to get in the way. Also less likely for me to make a mistake with repository addresses I am looking into the possibility of Leap 42.2 having something like SLE 12 SP1's new 'zypper migration' feature, which automagically does all the repo changing and stuff for you -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Richard Brown composed on 2015-11-16 11:29 (UTC+0100):
buhorojo wrote:
_Are_ members here upgrading?
Yes
Note that Richard Brown is a member of the openSUSE management team, rather than an ordinary user, so infer what you will from a response from this special class of user.
I personally prefer using the DVD Media to upgrade, by booting from the disk and choosing upgrade - it's a little more reliable, as you have no processes running in the system under upgrade and therefore nothing to get in the way.
Also less likely for me to make a mistake with repository addresses
I have many openSUSE installations. I have only one recollection of ever doing an upgrade via "DVD". That was a test to see if an upgrade from 13.2 i586 to Leap (no i586 arch available) was viable. It bombed. Most of my installations are a result of zypper upgrades. Zypper is the king of package managers, marvelous software. Repository mistakes, when I have made them, IIRC have always been recoverable.
I am looking into the possibility of Leap 42.2 having something like SLE 12 SP1's new 'zypper migration' feature, which automagically does all the repo changing and stuff for you
Intriging. Is there an open FATE or bug that interested openSUSE users can access? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 16 November 2015 at 09:59, buhorojo <buhorojo.lcb@gmail.com> wrote:
On 16/11/15 07:16, Felix Miata wrote:
buhorojo composed on 2015-11-16 06:35 (UTC+0100):
In the past we changed the repository links, e.g. from 13.1 to 13.2 and ran zypper dup It was easy because only the number changed. Can we use the same method with a new name, leap? Is leap a new idea and we have to start over? The repo links simply need a slightly bigger change, e.g.:
old: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/13.2/repo/oss/
new: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1/repo/oss/ Got it. Thanks. _Are_ members here upgrading? Yes
I personally prefer using the DVD Media to upgrade, by booting from the disk and choosing upgrade - it's a little more reliable, as you have no processes running in the system under upgrade and therefore nothing to get in the way.
Also less likely for me to make a mistake with repository addresses
I am looking into the possibility of Leap 42.2 having something like SLE 12 SP1's new 'zypper migration' feature, which automagically does all the repo changing and stuff for you OK, but we'd like to stick to what we're used to, so has anyone yet
On 16/11/15 11:29, Richard Brown wrote: tried the change-the-repo-urls-and-dup route from 13.2? Does it work? Thanks again -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
buhorojo composed on 2015-11-16 17:46 (UTC+0100):
...we'd like to stick to what we're used to, so has anyone yet tried the change-the-repo-urls-and-dup route from 13.2? Does it work?
There doesn't seem to have been a whole lot of testing it. I only tried once, which I characterize as poor/failed. As that 13.2 was an i586 installation with TDE[1] rather than Gnome, XFCE, Plasma, KDE4 or KDE3, and even yet there still is no TDE repo for Leap, it was an unlikely candidate for success. [1] https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Trinity_Desktop_Environment -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 16 November 2015 at 18:40, Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> wrote:
There doesn't seem to have been a whole lot of testing it.
You mean besides openQA which tested the following scenarios with zypper dup every single build of Leap: 13.1 GNOME > 42.1 https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests/97548 13.2 GNOME > 42.1 https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests/97536 13.2 KDE > 42.1 https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests/97534 Not to forget all the upgrade tests from disk done, which actually also included upgrading from 12.3?
As that 13.2 was an i586 installation with TDE[1] rather than Gnome, XFCE, Plasma, KDE4 or KDE3, and even yet there still is no TDE repo for Leap, it was an unlikely candidate for success.
The openSUSE Leap distribution consists of 7800 packages contained within the repositories found http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1/repo/ TDE is not officially supported by openSUSE Leap, as demonstrated by the fact that it is not contained on the media or in any official repositories for openSUSE Leap, or any previous openSUSE release As you were not running 13.2, but 13.2 + your own choice of repositories, I think it's disingenuous of you to answer this persons question with your experience, when your experience is well outside of the scope of their question. They asked if the zypper dup upgrade works from 13.2 to Leap. It does. It might not work if you include non-official repositories, but that's why they're non-official. If you want to see openSUSE support a broader selection of software in the distribution, and therefore support a broader selection of upgrade start and end points, that's fine, but I don't think this support list is going to be the best place to find people to help with that. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 16/11/2015 19:28, Richard Brown a écrit :
It might not work if you include non-official repositories, but that's why they're non-official.
yes, but who don't use non officials repos after 2 years use of any distro? it's one if the reasons I don't upgrade i place - but I don't blame openSUSE. what's about "wagon". Such tool could scan the system and flag the potential problems... jdd -- When will a Label sign her!!? https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=94&v=BeMk3WRh8QI -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 16/11/15 19:39, jdd wrote:
Le 16/11/2015 19:28, Richard Brown a écrit :
It might not work if you include non-official repositories, but that's why they're non-official.
yes, but who don't use non officials repos after 2 years use of any distro?
it's one if the reasons I don't upgrade i place - but I don't blame openSUSE.
what's about "wagon". Such tool could scan the system and flag the potential problems...
jdd
Is packman official? That's the only one we need. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 16/11/2015 20:13, buhorojo a écrit :
Is packman official? That's the only one we need.
I thik yes, packman can be seen as official jdd -- When will a Label sign her!!? https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=94&v=BeMk3WRh8QI -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/16/2015 02:13 PM, buhorojo wrote:
Is packman official? That's the only one we need.
Any repository or site that allows you to download either non-open source or proprietary software is NOT official. It may be recommended, such as the drivers for Nvida or AMD, but it cannot be official. That being said there are quite a number of other repositories for FOSS software that exists and which offer the source alongside the installation packages. These are not always binaries; many are scripts. There are also databases. Of course this depends on your context and needs. One of my interests is photography so I look to the sources of a more up to date version of the 'darktable' tool. I also look to the database of camera RAW readers and lens correction tables. I mention this as a specific that applies to me. Other users have other specific needs: cloud services, virtual machines, database systems ... A visit to https://software.opensuse.org/search will show you a great number of packages from the Build Service for many platforms and revision of the OS, not just 13.x & LEAP but earlier and also ARM and RedHat and CentOS in some cases. Whether you want to consider the Build Service official or even merely approved of is a moot point. For me, having a FUSE driver for the exFAT format of the larger cards that I use in my camera is essential. As you can tell from the Wikipedia entry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExFAT it is " proprietary and patented". Never the less https://software.opensuse.org/package/fuse-exfat Please note the "supported" vs "Unsupported" division there. Also this crossover from Android https://software.opensuse.org/package/exfat-nofuse So google round for tour areas of interest and see what software exists and try searching opensuse build for it. Or even try for more up to date version of software you think is essential that is in the distribution. Such as http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Unstable:/Applications/ YMMV but there is a lot out there worth considering -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Richard Brown composed on 2015-11-16 19:28 (UTC+0100):
Felix Miata wrote:
There doesn't seem to have been a whole lot of testing it.
You mean besides openQA which tested the following scenarios with zypper dup every single build of Leap:
Exactly: besides.
13.1 GNOME > 42.1 https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests/97548 13.2 GNOME > 42.1 https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests/97536 13.2 KDE > 42.1 https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests/97534
Not to forget all the upgrade tests from disk done, which actually also included upgrading from 12.3?
OpenQA tests particular patterns, not what users do post-install and use for 12 or 18 months of normal activity, correct? QA can't cover but a fraction of permutations possible from use by people. I was writing about reports of tests by real users on real hardware reported in the forums and mailing lists.
...it was an unlikely candidate for success.
As you were not running 13.2, but 13.2 + your own choice of repositories, I think it's disingenuous of you to answer this persons question with your experience, when your experience is well outside of the scope of their question.
Hence my qualification, to lead to inference all users don't simply install some earlier version, then immediately upgrade with expectation of perfection. Those who have deviated from standard need be wary of any upgrade process.
They asked if the zypper dup upgrade works from 13.2 to Leap. It does.
If falling within the QA assumptions. openSUSE users are hardly a cookie cutter group.
They asked if the zypper dup upgrade works from 13.2 to Leap. It does.
Within limits. During the testing period testing wasn't possible for KDE3 users, as there was no KDE3 for Leap either in oss or in BS, thus the limited amount of personal testing, also since Plasma5 and other officially supported DEs tried have proven an unsatisfactory replacement for KDE4 or KDE3 here. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 16/11/2015 09:59, buhorojo a écrit :
_Are_ members here upgrading?
No, almost never. My computer(s) are setup with multiboot and can hold several openSUSE installs. I test many apps I barely use. So in such a situation, after some time to let the new product mature, I make a new install over the older present install (may be 12.3, I don't eve remember). That way I can test the new product and boot the old one in case something to not work immediately and is badly needed. But in fact it's pretty rare to have the necessity to go back. But I try to never upgrade in place. I don't want neither to keep old configs and may be miss some new stuff jdd -- When will a Label sign her!!? https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=94&v=BeMk3WRh8QI -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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