[SuSE Linux] 5.3 is going, going...
If anyone could explain why sound is completely broken in 5.3 I could use some help. I have been compiling sound as a module since 2.0.29 and I have always had a perfectly functioning system. 5.3 won't load the module unless I manually insmod it, and then midi is still completely broken. I downloaded fresh 2.0.35 source to see if it was the 5.3 sources, but it's something else in the os because it displayed the same behaviour. This is _really_pissing_me_off_. I have compiled dozens and dozens of kernels since I started using S.u.S.E. with S.u.S.E. 5.1 and I am not doing anything differently and I am 4 kernels into 5.3 and none of them have had properly working sound. On a happier note, SaX is a very good idea, but I get a corrupted image when I set up x with it. Luckily XF86Setup is still included. -- .###. /#######\## -==============================================- ;##### ;# Mike's WindowMaker ;##### ;# <A HREF="http://tasteslikechicken.ml.org/windowmaker.html"><A HREF="http://tasteslikechicken.ml.org/windowmaker.html</A">http://tasteslikechicken.ml.org/windowmaker.html</A</A>> \# /## -==============================================- ###'---'#### - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
I have two nearly identical boxes with 5.3; they do have identical SB16 cards. The sound is set up exactly the same in the config. One works, one don't. :/ Wish I could solve that one for you but I got this here modem thingie..... :) Steve *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 9/3/98, at 6:18 PM, Michael Lankton wrote:
If anyone could explain why sound is completely broken in 5.3 I could use some help. I have been compiling sound as a module since 2.0.29 and I have always had a perfectly functioning system. 5.3 won't load the module unless I manually insmod it, and then midi is still completely broken. I downloaded fresh 2.0.35 source to see if it was the 5.3 sources, but it's something else in the os because it displayed the same behaviour. This is _really_pissing_me_off_. I have compiled dozens and dozens of kernels since I started using S.u.S.E. with S.u.S.E. 5.1 and I am not doing anything differently and I am 4 kernels into 5.3 and none of them have had properly working sound.
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5.3 is already rm -rf'ed, I am going to reinstall 5.2. If anyone wants my 5.3 cheap, contact me. Steve Mills wrote:
I have two nearly identical boxes with 5.3; they do have identical SB16 cards. The sound is set up exactly the same in the config. One works, one don't. :/ Wish I could solve that one for you but I got this here modem thingie.....
:)
Steve
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Words from a wise old mechanic, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!" I have a smooth running 5.2 box with a 2.0.35 kernel and when I looked at the new 5.3 outline of new changes, I just asked myself, Why? On Thu, 03 Sep 1998, you wrote:
5.3 is already rm -rf'ed, I am going to reinstall 5.2. If anyone wants my 5.3 cheap, contact me.
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On Thu, 03 Sep 1998, you wrote:
5.3 is already rm -rf'ed, I am going to reinstall 5.2. If anyone wants my 5.3 cheap, contact me.
Some people give up so easy....:) Send it to me, I'm still waiting for a copy. -Dee --------------------------------------------------- W.D.McKinney (Dee) deem@wdm.com <A HREF="http://www.wdm.com"><A HREF="http://www.wdm.com</A">http://www.wdm.com</A</A>> "The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few." --------------------------------------------------- - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Ken Archer wrote:
Words from a wise old mechanic, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!" I have a smooth running 5.2 box with a 2.0.35 kernel and when I looked at the new 5.3 outline of new changes, I just asked myself, Why?
Well for me it's important to have up to date system libraries and a homonogous and current system. The graphics libraries etc have been updated, for instance. And some new programs have been added. To me having this stuff up-to-date and on CD in distribution form is worth the price of admission. It also saves me trouble of dl'ing sources and building rpms from them. I'm looking forward to 5.3. I'm not worried about a few issues. I'd think most people here have been using Linux for a while and know full well, sometimes you have to deal with a tweak or adjustment now and then. That's nothing new to maintainance. -M One is most dishonest towards one's God; he is not _permitted_ to sin. mail: mjohnson@pop3.aebc.com - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Michael Lankton wrote: [MIDI broken in 5.3, sound only through insmod sound (when module)] Michael, I seem to be lucky enough that MIDI works for me (AWE32 synth would if I installed sfxload which seems to not be part of SuSE (yet) and thus initialized the soundbank. I do however also have to insmod it (annoying). I haven't even looked for a solution, though. However, have you considdered giving ALSA a go before you totally disperse of your 5.3 copy? Not all cards are supported for MIDI yet (at least not well) but in general, it's a better driver and a better driver-model. Worth a shot?!? Their homepage is at <A HREF="http://alsa.jcu.cz/"><A HREF="http://alsa.jcu.cz/</A">http://alsa.jcu.cz/</A</A>> Ciao, -- Martin Moeller. - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
On Thu, Sep 03, 1998 at 06:18:52PM -0500, Michael Lankton wrote:
If anyone could explain why sound is completely broken in 5.3 I could use some help. I have been compiling sound as a module since 2.0.29 and I have always had a perfectly functioning system. 5.3 won't load the module unless I manually insmod it, and then midi is still completely broken. I downloaded fresh 2.0.35 source to see if it was the 5.3 sources, but it's something else in the os because it displayed the same behaviour. This is _really_pissing_me_off_. I have compiled dozens and dozens of kernels since I started using S.u.S.E. with S.u.S.E. 5.1 and I am not doing anything differently and I am 4 kernels into 5.3 and none of them have had properly working sound.
When I installed 2.0.35 from the source, I copied over my .config file and did a make menuconfig to make sure that it was included. My sound worked fine (I have always had trouble with midi on my SB16, so I have never installed it . . .). I should note that I haven't received my copy of 5.3, yet. This experience was on 5.2 installing the tar.gz kernal source. Therefore, try copying over the .config file. Hope it works - mikeh -- ============================================================ || Mike Hostetler || email1: thehaas@binary.net || || Linux User at Large || email2: mhostetl@cse.unl.edu || ============================================================ || ---------- <A HREF="http://www.binary.net/thehaas"><A HREF="http://www.binary.net/thehaas</A">http://www.binary.net/thehaas</A</A>> ------------- || ============================================================ || "I wear my unprofessionalism as a badge of honor. || || Professionalism has no place in art, and hacking || || is art." - Jamie Zawinski || ============================================================ - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Mike Hostetler <thehaas@ravine.binary.net> wrote:
On Thu, Sep 03, 1998 at 06:18:52PM -0500, Michael Lankton wrote:
If anyone could explain why sound is completely broken in 5.3 I could use some help. I have been compiling sound as a module since 2.0.29 and I have always had a perfectly functioning system. 5.3 won't load the module unless I manually insmod it, and then midi is still completely broken. I downloaded fresh 2.0.35 source to see if it was the 5.3 sources, but it's something else in the os because it displayed the same behaviour. This is _really_pissing_me_off_. I have compiled dozens and dozens of kernels since I started using S.u.S.E. with S.u.S.E. 5.1 and I am not doing anything differently and I am 4 kernels into 5.3 and none of them have had properly working sound.
When I installed 2.0.35 from the source, I copied over my .config file and did a make menuconfig to make sure that it was included. My sound worked fine (I have always had trouble with midi on my SB16, so I have never installed it . . .). I should note that I haven't received my copy of 5.3, yet. This experience was on 5.2 installing the tar.gz kernal source.
Therefore, try copying over the .config file. Hope it works
- mikeh
Nothing beats OSS/Linux Commercial u - wdm:/root # soundon This copy of OSS is licensed to Dee McKinney wdm:/root # Takes about 1 second and working sound, once you install. Install is simple also. See <A HREF="http://www.4front-tech.com"><A HREF="http://www.4front-tech.com</A">http://www.4front-tech.com</A</A>> -Dee --------------------------------------------------- W.D.McKinney (Dee) deem@wdm.com <A HREF="http://www.wdm.com"><A HREF="http://www.wdm.com</A">http://www.wdm.com</A</A>> "The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few." --------------------------------------------------- - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
As much as I've always said that oss is for people who are too lame to configure sound with the kernel drivers and isapnp (or who legitimately have a card that the kernel drivers don't support and oss does), I tried oss and it displayed the same behaviour. THEN I rm -rf'ed W.D.McKinney wrote:
Nothing beats OSS/Linux Commercial
su - wdm:/root # soundon This copy of OSS is licensed to Dee McKinney wdm:/root #
Takes about 1 second and working sound, once you install. Install is simple also. See <A HREF="http://www.4front-tech.com"><A HREF="http://www.4front-tech.com</A">http://www.4front-tech.com</A</A>>
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Well after using the sound with the kernel drivers and isapnp, they don't match up to OSS Commercial for my AWE64 Gold. I don't think you want to call users lame because they support commercial software. That is not what this or any other Linux list is for. Best Regards -Dee 100% Linux on my PC. Michael Lankton <mlankton@home.com> wrote:
As much as I've always said that oss is for people who are too lame to configure sound with the kernel drivers and isapnp (or who legitimately have a card that the kernel drivers don't support and oss does), I tried oss and it displayed the same behaviour. THEN I rm -rf'ed
W.D.McKinney wrote:
Nothing beats OSS/Linux Commercial
su - wdm:/root # soundon This copy of OSS is licensed to Dee McKinney wdm:/root #
Takes about 1 second and working sound, once you install. Install is simple also. See <A HREF="http://www.4front-tech.com"><A HREF="http://www.4front-tech.com</A">http://www.4front-tech.com</A</A>>
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That wasn't my intention. I am not anti-commercial software at all. This forum does not exist to be a platform for the self-righteous to stroke their egos either, Dee. W.D.McKinney wrote:
I don't think you want to call users lame because they support commercial software. That is not what this or any other Linux list is for.
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Gentlemen, You should take this one off line. Steve Michael Lankton wrote:
That wasn't my intention. I am not anti-commercial software at all.
This forum does not exist to be a platform for the self-righteous to stroke their egos either, Dee.
W.D.McKinney wrote:
I don't think you want to call users lame because they support commercial software. That is not what this or any other Linux list is for.
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W.D.McKinney wrote:
Well after using the sound with the kernel drivers and isapnp, they don't match up to OSS Commercial for my AWE64 Gold. I don't think you want to call users lame because they support commercial software. That is not what this or any other Linux list is for.
I don't think Mike is saying that, and in addition, HE'S RIGHT!! There are some things that should NOT take an act of Congress to work properly!! Proper hardware support and ease of installation is MANDATORY, and 5.3 doesn't have it! Fred -- - Windows 98 supports real multitasking - it can boot and crash simultaneously - Fred A. Miller, Systems Administrator Cornell Univ. Press Services fmiller@lightlink.com fm@cupserv.org - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Guys, <SOAP_BOX> I have many problems to work out with Linux. One of them is the fact that my 5.3 was inadvertently shipped to my old address so I don't expect to see it till wednesday :-(. When we consider hardware support in Linux, we must realize that vendors are not writing drivers. Thay are written by the Linux community. Last I checked we are they. I will be the first to admit I don't contribute to these coding efforts. I figure the best way for me to contribute is to break things. I'm not too bad at that. I see that some of you are also skilled in that area. I like what I am getting out of S.u.S.E. I could simply stay with NT and do almost everything I want to with computers. I stopped liking Microsoft wen they started dumping IE on the market trying to kill Netscape. I never really liked their proprietary design decisions. When I went shopping for Linux distributions I compared S.u.S.E. and another leading distribution and found S.u.S.E. seemed to be ahead in certain categories. I have not been disappointed. Sure I would have liked glibc2 sooner. (I may go ahead and read up on installing that to coexist with glib1 on 5.2. since it will be a week till I get 5.3) Since I have invested my time and efforts into S.u.S.E. I feel like it is in my best interest to help it grow. This means pointing out flaws in such a way that helps the S.u.S.E. team, and does not attempt to demoralize them. Let's take problems with the new distribution one at a time, and not slam the new release as altogether bad. There may be problems. Let's fix them. Let's make the product we know and use the best in the world. The best way to make sure you are on a winning team is to pull for the team when things go wrong. The best way to undermine a winning team is to condemn its players when things of wrong. </SOAP_BOX> Steve, Fred A. Miller wrote:
W.D.McKinney wrote:
Well after using the sound with the kernel drivers and isapnp, they don't match up to OSS Commercial for my AWE64 Gold. I don't think you want to call users lame because they support commercial software. That is not what this or any other Linux list is for.
I don't think Mike is saying that, and in addition, HE'S RIGHT!! There are some things that should NOT take an act of Congress to work properly!! Proper hardware support and ease of installation is MANDATORY, and 5.3 doesn't have it!
Fred
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Personally, I don't see that big a difference between 5.2 and 5.3. That is why I am waiting for 6.0. But on the subject of broken distributions, has anyone on this list taken a look recently at the erratta directory at ftp.redhat.com? They had 50 updates within two weeks after they released 5.1. SuSE people count your blessings. I don't like working for any distribution. SuSE is the first distribution that works for ME.
Since I have invested my time and efforts into S.u.S.E. I feel like it is in my best interest to help it grow. This means pointing out flaws in such a way that helps the S.u.S.E. team, and does not attempt to demoralize them. Let's take problems with the new distribution one at a time, and not slam the new release as altogether bad. There may be problems. Let's fix them. Let's make the product we know and use the best in the world. The best way to make sure you are on a winning team is to pull for the team when things go wrong. The best way to undermine a winning team is to condemn its players when things of wrong.
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Ken Archer wrote:
Personally, I don't see that big a difference between 5.2 and 5.3. That is why I am waiting for 6.0. But on the subject of broken distributions, has anyone on this list taken a look recently at the erratta directory at ftp.redhat.com? They had 50 updates within two weeks after they released 5.1. SuSE people count your blessings. I don't like working for any distribution. SuSE is the first distribution that works for ME.
I absolutely agree. At my work, we run linux almost exclusively, and of course, they had to be redhat folks. well, i've tried to put ssh and many other necessary programs/daemons on it, but the only one that works well, the first time, every time, is my little p75 suse box. even though i don't have 5.3, im still looking forward to trying it out. what i would like to know, now that we've heard many opinions of the bad stuff, how about the improvements made? -- Aaron Seelye Running S.u.S.E. 5.2 <A HREF="http://revolution.3-cities.com/~roberto"><A HREF="http://revolution.3-cities.com/~roberto</A">http://revolution.3-cities.com/~roberto</A</A>> - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Aaron Seelye wrote:
Ken Archer wrote:
Personally, I don't see that big a difference between 5.2 and 5.3. That is why I am waiting for 6.0. But on the subject of broken distributions, has anyone on this list taken a look recently at the erratta directory at ftp.redhat.com? They had 50 updates within two weeks after they released 5.1. SuSE people count your blessings. I don't like working for any distribution. SuSE is the first distribution that works for ME.
I absolutely agree. At my work, we run linux almost exclusively, and of course, they had to be redhat folks. well, i've tried to put ssh and many other necessary programs/daemons on it, but the only one that works well, the first time, every time, is my little p75 suse box. even though i don't have 5.3, im still looking forward to trying it out. what i would like to know, now that we've heard many opinions of the bad stuff, how about the improvements made?
Don't misunderstand....I have NO intention of giving up on SuSE's Linux! I just don't like broken distributions, no matter who produces them...including the junk from MickySoft! I had not seen KDE 1.0 till now.......NICE...VERY NICE indeed! Once the KDE spreadsheet and word processor are released, I'll be able to replace most of the Windoze crap at Cornell with SuSE. The learning curve for most of my users will be minimal, at worst! Fred -- - Windows 98 supports real multitasking - it can boot and crash simultaneously - Fred A. Miller, Systems Administrator Cornell Univ. Press Services fmiller@lightlink.com fm@cupserv.org - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
I didn't want to bring that up, but yeah it's unbelievable! I used RH4.2 and 5.0 before swithcing to SuSE at v.5.1. I couldn't ftp all those updates at 28.8K back then. I've taken a look at the 5.1 errata and it's the same story. By comparison, SuSE's updates are negligible. Mark --- Ken Archer wrote:
Personally, I don't see that big a difference between 5.2 and 5.3. That is why I am waiting for 6.0. But on the subject of broken distributions, has anyone on this list taken a look recently at the erratta directory at ftp.redhat.com? They had 50 updates within two weeks after they released 5.1. SuSE people count your blessings. I don't like working for any distribution. SuSE is the first distribution that works for ME.
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Just one more bit of information. Last time I got sound to work was under RedHat 5.0. That was a horrifying experience for me, so bad that I waited until last Wednesday to try again with S.u.S.E. Compiled the kernel with sound as a module, booted and tried. I wondered why it didn't load any sound modules, so I tried modprobe sound and then the sound worked. It couldn't be much easier. Now with the information about conf.modules posted here (off cours I should have looked there myself, but what the heck) it even autoloads. It was just too easy this time. Only thing left to try is midi. I don't know anything about midi, so I'll look for a midi player. - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Just a curiosity, but is this sound problem with 5.3 only related to Sound Modules? I have always compiled my kernels with sound installed right into the kernel (i.e. not a loadable module). I don't have my version of 5.3 yet...but should I expect problems? Up to now with sound right in the kernel I have had no problems. Even though my card is PnP, at that. No, I have not needed to even run ISAPNP. Surprisingly, I guess, I have had success. ---------------------------------- Arlen Carlson adcarlso@visinet.ca After living in New York, you trust nobody, but you believe everything. Just in case. This message was sent by XFmail (Linux) ---------------------------------- - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Hi, On Mon, Sep 07, adcarlso@visinet.ca wrote:
Just a curiosity, but is this sound problem with 5.3 only related to Sound Modules? I have always compiled my kernels with sound installed right into the kernel (i.e. not a loadable module). I don't have my version of 5.3 yet...but should I expect problems?
Arlen Carlson -o) Hubert Mantel /\\ _\_v
No. Even with modules there should be no problems. CD#1 contains a file in it's root directory. The file has the name "README". It can be viewed with YaST by choosing the item "Show README file for installation media" in the main menu of YaST. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Sound ===== The packages 'oss39f' and 'oss371z' that are listed in the handbook were renamed to 'ossdemo' and 'oss' . More information about these packages can be found after the installation in the directories '/usr/doc/packages/oss' and '/usr/doc/packages/ossdemo' . The directories '/tmp/osslinux-3.9f' and '/tmp/osslinux-3.7.1z' contain the corresponding installation programms. Please note, that it is not possible to remove the files installed by these installation programs using the program rpm. This must be done manually. The automatic loading procedure of the sound module was switched off in S.u.S.E. Linux 5.3 in order to avoid problems with OSS and to get rid of a few error messages that appeared, when an attempt was made to load the sound module contained in the package kernmod automatically. This module can only be used with the appropriate hardware. If you want to change this behaviour, change the line alias char-major-14 off in /etc/conf.modules to alias char-major-14 sound Another alternative is to enter the command modprobe sound into the file /sbin/init.d/boot.local . However please ensure, that the sound module is configured correctly for your system, before you do this. ---------------------------------------------------------------- - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
I agree with you on this. Something along these lines was also written in the Linux Journal. Users/developers should work collaboratively to put together a superior distribution, instead of getting upset and marching off. Subsribers to this list and SuSE users in general help to identify problems with the distribution and historically, SuSE has been quick in getting the problem taken care of and available for ftp from their site. I haen't received my 5.3 yet :(, but I am definately looking forward to it. Marm --- Steven T. Hatton wrote:
Since I have invested my time and efforts into S.u.S.E. I feel like it is in my best interest to help it grow. This means pointing out flaws in such a way that helps the S.u.S.E. team, and does not attempt to demoralize them. Let's take problems with the new distribution one at a time, and not slam the new release as altogether bad. There may be problems. Let's fix them. Let's make the product we know and use the best in the world. The best way to make sure you are on a winning team is to pull for the team when things go wrong. The best way to undermine a winning team is to condemn its players when things of wrong.
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Me, too! If Dee and I are any indication LINUX users in Alaska are also still waiting for 5.3...the machine upon which I write is 5.0 (works so well I've been reluctant to change) and I'm on 5.2 at work (everything worked first time and it provides valuable LAN services like a mirroring nameserver for the company LAN, intranet server, samba and a pleasant environment for me) all at the same time on a 486/133. As far as sound goes I'm ambivalent; if I really want to listen to music I use a specialized system (which I call the STEREO) to play CDs (and even LPs). I've had RealAudio working on the 5.0 box, but since I only use it for listening to the Hour of Slack when the last real-beta I had expired I haven't bothered with it since. The w95 box (via squid) allows me the minimal web audio I need. Maybe 5.3 will present the challange I need to make me care about computer audio. If audio is really broken in 5.3 I remain confident that we can fix it. I've pretty much resolved that I'm going to update the 5.0 box with 5.3 and will remain steadfast in this resolution; after all, if I wanted a computer that worked perfectly I'd install...gee, what would I install? I don't play Quake or other computer games: the best game in town is making the computer do what you want it to. phil -- Think Differently: LINUX Mark Wagnon wrote:
I agree with you on this. Something along these lines was also written in the Linux Journal. Users/developers should work collaboratively to put together a superior distribution, instead of getting upset and marching off. Subsribers to this list and SuSE users in general help to identify problems with the distribution and historically, SuSE has been quick in getting the problem taken care of and available for ftp from their site. I haen't received my 5.3 yet :(, but I am definately looking forward to it.
Marm
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There ARE some games....I forget what they are called... phillip mannie wrote:
Me, too!
If Dee and I are any indication LINUX users in Alaska are also still waiting for 5.3...the machine upon which I write is 5.0 (works so well I've been reluctant to change) and I'm on 5.2 at work (everything worked first time and it provides valuable LAN services like a mirroring nameserver for the company LAN, intranet server, samba and a pleasant environment for me) all at the same time on a 486/133.
As far as sound goes I'm ambivalent; if I really want to listen to music I use a specialized system (which I call the STEREO) to play CDs (and even LPs). I've had RealAudio working on the 5.0 box, but since I only use it for listening to the Hour of Slack when the last real-beta I had expired I haven't bothered with it since. The w95 box (via squid) allows me the minimal web audio I need. Maybe 5.3 will present the challange I need to make me care about computer audio.
If audio is really broken in 5.3 I remain confident that we can fix it. I've pretty much resolved that I'm going to update the 5.0 box with 5.3 and will remain steadfast in this resolution; after all, if I wanted a computer that worked perfectly I'd install...gee, what would I install?
I don't play Quake or other computer games: the best game in town is making the computer do what you want it to.
phil -- Think Differently: LINUX
Mark Wagnon wrote:
I agree with you on this. Something along these lines was also written in the Linux Journal. Users/developers should work collaboratively to put together a superior distribution, instead of getting upset and marching off. Subsribers to this list and SuSE users in general help to identify problems with the distribution and historically, SuSE has been quick in getting the problem taken care of and available for ftp from their site. I haen't received my 5.3 yet :(, but I am definately looking forward to it.
Marm
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I have to support you. There's too much grumbling over small issues right now. I left MS for Linux because I wanted easier, more stable programs. I got it, but I left RedHat because I wanted more focus on quality control. I got it with S.u.S.E. I don't expect a perfect distribution. Nothing is perfect, and the S.u.S.E. team is trying to put together 900 packages in one box. With a manual in 400+ pages for a price that wouldn't buy you a MS game. Linux is a construction area. Wear your hard hat or get out. But that can be said about every aspect of computing, Linux is just more fun :-) Please stop complaining about nonsense. Point to the problems that are, I'm sure they will get solved. - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
I don't think Mike is saying that, and in addition, HE'S RIGHT!! There are some things that should NOT take an act of Congress to work properly!! Proper hardware support and ease of installation is MANDATORY, and 5.3 doesn't have it!
I beg to defer. I've installed 5.3 on at least 5 computers now without a (big) problem. There are a lot of different cards, ISA, PCA and PnP and it all worked the first time. PnP of course had to go through isapnp, but that's a problem with Linux, not S.u.S.E. - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
W.D.McKinney wrote:
Mike Hostetler <thehaas@ravine.binary.net> wrote:
On Thu, Sep 03, 1998 at 06:18:52PM -0500, Michael Lankton wrote:
If anyone could explain why sound is completely broken in 5.3 I could use some help. I have been compiling sound as a module since 2.0.29 and I have always had a perfectly functioning system. 5.3 won't load the module unless I manually insmod it, and then midi is still completely broken. I downloaded fresh 2.0.35 source to see if it was the 5.3 sources, but it's something else in the os because it displayed the same behaviour. This is _really_pissing_me_off_. I have compiled dozens and dozens of kernels since I started using S.u.S.E. with S.u.S.E. 5.1 and I am not doing anything differently and I am 4 kernels into 5.3 and none of them have had properly working sound.
When I installed 2.0.35 from the source, I copied over my .config file and did a make menuconfig to make sure that it was included. My sound worked fine (I have always had trouble with midi on my SB16, so I have never installed it . . .). I should note that I haven't received my copy of 5.3, yet. This experience was on 5.2 installing the tar.gz kernal source.
Therefore, try copying over the .config file. Hope it works
- mikeh
Nothing beats OSS/Linux Commercial
su - wdm:/root # soundon This copy of OSS is licensed to Dee McKinney wdm:/root #
Takes about 1 second and working sound, once you install. Install is simple also. See <A HREF="http://www.4front-tech.com"><A HREF="http://www.4front-tech.com</A">http://www.4front-tech.com</A</A>>
Yes....very nice indeed, and I also have the comm. version, but it WON'T run with 5.3, or at least....not here with a SB-AWE64. Fred -- - Windows 98 supports real multitasking - it can boot and crash simultaneously - Fred A. Miller, Systems Administrator Cornell Univ. Press Services fmiller@lightlink.com fm@cupserv.org - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Well, I simply have no patience for an os that doesn't do what it should. I have already reinstalled 5.2 and everything is hunky dory, I just have to download a bunch of stuff that is obsolete on the 5.2 discs. No one has been a bigger advocate for S.u.S.E. as _the_ uberdist than I have, but I am not going to jump through hoops to make 5.3 do something that every other linux dist I have ever used has done without effort on my part: make noise after I have properly configured isapnp and my kernel. I hope S.u.S.E. 6.0 doesn't suffer from any major hiccups like that. Til then, I will continue to use 5.2, but 5.3 is already back in the box and if anyone wants it... Like I said earlier, while SaX doesn't work properly at this time, I think it is a step in the right direction if they get it right in future versions. Something really needs to be done about YaST, it's as slow as a Debian install floppy (that is REALLY REALLY slow for those of you who haven't run Debian). But I still love S.u.S.E., and I hope that future versions will match the excellence of 5.1 and 5.2 Mike Hostetler wrote:
On Thu, Sep 03, 1998 at 06:18:52PM -0500, Michael Lankton wrote:
If anyone could explain why sound is completely broken in 5.3 I could use some help. I have been compiling sound as a module since 2.0.29 and I have always had a perfectly functioning system. 5.3 won't load the module unless I manually insmod it, and then midi is still completely broken. I downloaded fresh 2.0.35 source to see if it was the 5.3 sources, but it's something else in the os because it displayed the same behaviour. This is _really_pissing_me_off_. I have compiled dozens and dozens of kernels since I started using S.u.S.E. with S.u.S.E. 5.1 and I am not doing anything differently and I am 4 kernels into 5.3 and none of them have had properly working sound.
When I installed 2.0.35 from the source, I copied over my .config file and did a make menuconfig to make sure that it was included. My sound worked fine (I have always had trouble with midi on my SB16, so I have never installed it . . .). I should note that I haven't received my copy of 5.3, yet. This experience was on 5.2 installing the tar.gz kernal source.
Therefore, try copying over the .config file. Hope it works
- mikeh
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Michael Lankton wrote:
If anyone could explain why sound is completely broken in 5.3 I could use some help. I have been compiling sound as a module since 2.0.29 and I have always had a perfectly functioning system. 5.3 won't load the module unless I manually insmod it, and then midi is still completely broken. I downloaded fresh 2.0.35 source to see if it was the 5.3 sources, but it's something else in the os because it displayed the same behaviour. This is _really_pissing_me_off_. I have compiled dozens and dozens of kernels since I started using S.u.S.E. with S.u.S.E. 5.1 and I am not doing anything differently and I am 4 kernels into 5.3 and none of them have had properly working sound.
[snip] Sound is broken here as well.....hope to fix it. Fred -- - Windows 98 supports real multitasking - it can boot and crash simultaneously - Fred A. Miller, Systems Administrator Cornell Univ. Press Services fmiller@lightlink.com fm@cupserv.org - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Hi, On Thu, Sep 03, 1998 at 22:49 -0400, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Sound is broken here as well.....hope to fix it.
If it's only that the sound module isn't loaded automatically, then check /etc/conf.modules and see if alias char-major-14 sound is set. Ciao, Stefan - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Stefan Troeger wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, Sep 03, 1998 at 22:49 -0400, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Sound is broken here as well.....hope to fix it.
If it's only that the sound module isn't loaded automatically, then check /etc/conf.modules and see if
alias char-major-14 sound
is set.
No, the OSS driver is "busted!" Fred -- - Windows 98 supports real multitasking - it can boot and crash simultaneously - Fred A. Miller, Systems Administrator Cornell Univ. Press Services fmiller@lightlink.com fm@cupserv.org - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Hi, On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Michael Lankton wrote:
If anyone could explain why sound is completely broken in 5.3 I could use some help. I have been compiling sound as a module since 2.0.29 and I have always had a perfectly functioning system. 5.3 won't load the module unless I manually insmod it, and then midi is still completely broken. I downloaded fresh 2.0.35 source to see if it was the 5.3 sources, but it's something else in the os because it displayed the same behaviour. This is _really_pissing_me_off_. I have compiled dozens and dozens of kernels since I started using S.u.S.E. with S.u.S.E. 5.1 and I am not doing anything differently and I am 4 kernels into 5.3 and none of them have had properly working sound.
Since there are so many different sound cards, we cannot provide a sound module that is working for all of them. In addition to that, more and more people are using OSS. Therefore we have made the decision, to comment out the sound module line in /etc/conf.modules. This is why you still can manually load it, but kerneld won't. We had a lot of support requests from people, who crashed their machines because kerneld attempted to load the sound module on machines which where not properly configured. All you have to do is to reactivate this line in /etc/conf.modules. Look for the string "alias char-major-14" and make sure, there's no "#" in front of it and the second column reads "sound", not "off". Best regards, LenZ ------------------------------------------------------------------ Lenz Grimmer S.u.S.E. GmbH <A HREF="mailto:grimmer@suse.de">mailto:grimmer@suse.de</A> Gebhardtstrasse 2 <A HREF="http://www.suse.de"><A HREF="http://www.suse.de</A">http://www.suse.de</A</A>> 90762 Fuerth, Germany - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Are people compiling sound in by non-modular means also experiencing problems? Just wondered. This appears only to affect people who are using modularized sound with their kernels. On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Lenz Grimmer wrote:
Since there are so many different sound cards, we cannot provide a sound module that is working for all of them. In addition to that, more and more people are using OSS. Therefore we have made the decision, to comment out the sound module line in /etc/conf.modules. This is why you still can manually load it, but kerneld won't. We had a lot of support requests from people, who crashed their machines because kerneld attempted to load the sound module on machines which where not properly configured. All you have to do is to reactivate this line in /etc/conf.modules. Look for the string "alias char-major-14" and make sure, there's no "#" in front of it and the second column reads "sound", not "off".
Best regards,
LenZ
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*********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 9/4/98, at 12:45 AM, Michael Johnson wrote:
Are people compiling sound in by non-modular means also experiencing problems? Just wondered. This appears only to affect people who are using modularized sound with their kernels.
I compiled sound support (SB, Midi and MU401) into my kernel on two boxes with identical soundcards, each having a wavetable daughter card on board. One works, one doesn't. Guess which one is working, and now I know why? The one on the machine where I attempted compiling the kernel with OSS included. Actually, that is probably a fluke since I have no idea how to turn OSS on yet. This thread has, however, inspired me to try. <A HREF="http://www.millsphoto.com"><A HREF="http://www.millsphoto.com</A">http://www.millsphoto.com</A</A>> - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
I have yet to receive my copy of 5.3, but I'm in shock about the apparent decision to deemphasize sound modules in favor of commercial OSS drivers. I think, however, that this reflects on a grave drawback in the current GNU/Linux scene: namely, the lamentable state of its support of soundcards. Yes, users are free to use the open-sourced isapnp. But that's an absurdity in itself. The ISA standard is loosing ground by the hour, and OEMs are pulling their ISA slots right and left. As anybody knows, pci (and, unfortunately, AGP) is the wave of the future. Still, I have yet to see a Linux utility called "pcipnp" available in any distribution, and configuring soundcards remains a knotty problem. How can GNU/Linux ever expect to make serious inroads into the M--S---T market if one of today's most important computer peripherals receives such deficient support? Currently, far too many users must turn to OSS, supporting drivers which, no offense to the company or its products, are contrary to open source and free software ideals. Is there any hope for this situation? -- Glenn -- - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Hi, On Fri, Sep 04, misc.word.corp wrote:
I have yet to receive my copy of 5.3, but I'm in shock about the apparent decision to deemphasize sound modules in favor of commercial OSS drivers.
[...]
Is there any hope for this situation?
-- Glenn -- -o) Hubert Mantel /\\ _\_v
Yes. One of the biggest problems with the current free sound driver is that it's a monolithic monster with compiled-in configuration which makes it almost impossible to provide a module that runs on almost any hardware. Alan Cox has done a great job in modularizing the sound driver. The changes have even been backported for 2.0.x (see <A HREF="ftp://ftp.uk.linux.org/pub/linux/alan/Sound"><A HREF="ftp://ftp.uk.linux.org/pub/linux/alan/Sound</A">ftp://ftp.uk.linux.org/pub/linux/alan/Sound</A</A>>), but at the current point no distributor would like to make such a massive change to their kernels. So if you are interested in this, just download the newest version from the directory (currently 2.0.34-modular-3.patch.gz, but applies with a non-important reject to 2.0.35 as well) and play with it. Alan almost planned to include the new driver with 2.0.36, but then reconsidered that the change is too massive. So things will become better when 2.2.0 comes out. - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Hubert Mantel wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, Sep 04, misc.word.corp wrote:
I have yet to receive my copy of 5.3, but I'm in shock about the apparent decision to deemphasize sound modules in favor of commercial OSS drivers.
[...]
Is there any hope for this situation?
Yes. One of the biggest problems with the current free sound driver is that it's a monolithic monster with compiled-in configuration which makes it almost impossible to provide a module that runs on almost any hardware.
Alan Cox has done a great job in modularizing the sound driver. The changes have even been backported for 2.0.x (see <A HREF="ftp://ftp.uk.linux.org/pub/linux/alan/Sound"><A HREF="ftp://ftp.uk.linux.org/pub/linux/alan/Sound</A">ftp://ftp.uk.linux.org/pub/linux/alan/Sound</A</A>>), but at the current point no distributor would like to make such a massive change to their kernels.
So if you are interested in this, just download the newest version from the directory (currently 2.0.34-modular-3.patch.gz, but applies with a non-important reject to 2.0.35 as well) and play with it. Alan almost planned to include the new driver with 2.0.36, but then reconsidered that the change is too massive.
So things will become better when 2.2.0 comes out.
Hubert, just please tell me how to get my commercial OSS driver to work for my SB AWE-64? Fred -- - Windows 98 supports real multitasking - it can boot and crash simultaneously - Fred A. Miller, Systems Administrator Cornell Univ. Press Services fmiller@lightlink.com fm@cupserv.org - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Hi Fred, tho I not Huber Mantel ;) Have you got the updated OSS for the new kernel? Could try that. Or rebuilt the kernel yet? and then try OSS? Fred: to lay low and speak easy I want to give you a site that helps compile an ISA SB 64/AWE/Gold what have you for Linux (step by step) <A HREF="http://cqi.com/~humbubba/linux/AWE-kernhelp.txt"><A HREF="http://cqi.com/~humbubba/linux/AWE-kernhelp.txt</A">http://cqi.com/~humbubba/linux/AWE-kernhelp.txt</A</A>> If OSS is broke :P (btw OSS has been broke or not quite working fully sence 5.0 SuSE for me) Steven Udell hettar@teleport.com sudell@teleport.com If isapnp.conf dumped so much info that you can't sort it out, and you have a SoundBlaster ISA/GOLD or AWE or such you can send me your isapnp.conf and I'll mod it to be readable/useable if you like. or I can send you mine, just I wont post it to this list, last time I sent a under 6K PPP script everyone nailed me. :P Fred A. Miller wrote:
Hubert Mantel wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, Sep 04, misc.word.corp wrote:
I have yet to receive my copy of 5.3, but I'm in shock about the apparent decision to deemphasize sound modules in favor of commercial OSS drivers.
[...]
Is there any hope for this situation?
Yes. One of the biggest problems with the current free sound driver is that it's a monolithic monster with compiled-in configuration which makes it almost impossible to provide a module that runs on almost any hardware.
Alan Cox has done a great job in modularizing the sound driver. The changes have even been backported for 2.0.x (see <A HREF="ftp://ftp.uk.linux.org/pub/linux/alan/Sound"><A HREF="ftp://ftp.uk.linux.org/pub/linux/alan/Sound</A">ftp://ftp.uk.linux.org/pub/linux/alan/Sound</A</A>>), but at the current point no distributor would like to make such a massive change to their kernels.
So if you are interested in this, just download the newest version from the directory (currently 2.0.34-modular-3.patch.gz, but applies with a non-important reject to 2.0.35 as well) and play with it. Alan almost planned to include the new driver with 2.0.36, but then reconsidered that the change is too massive.
So things will become better when 2.2.0 comes out.
Hubert, just please tell me how to get my commercial OSS driver to work for my SB AWE-64?
Fred
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Hi, On Fri, Sep 04, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Hubert, just please tell me how to get my commercial OSS driver to work for my SB AWE-64?
Fred -o) Hubert Mantel /\\ _\_v
Ruediger, our OSS expert, has been in Istanbul the last week and will be back tomorrow. I'm quite sure he tested it with a AWE-64. He will look into this (I personally only have a GUS card). - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Hubert Mantel wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, Sep 04, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Hubert, just please tell me how to get my commercial OSS driver to work for my SB AWE-64?
Ruediger, our OSS expert, has been in Istanbul the last week and will be back tomorrow. I'm quite sure he tested it with a AWE-64. He will look into this (I personally only have a GUS card).
I installed the commercial version I've been using with 5.2, and it worked, except, NO midi! Also, why the "X" messages every time X is started with the SVGA or Matrox server? Thanks, Fred -- - Windows 98 supports real multitasking - it can boot and crash simultaneously - Fred A. Miller, Systems Administrator Cornell Univ. Press Services fmiller@lightlink.com fm@cupserv.org - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
misc.word.corp wrote:
The ISA standard is loosing ground by the hour, and OEMs are pulling their ISA slots right and left. As anybody knows, pci (and, unfortunately, AGP) is the wave of the future.
Still, I have yet to see a Linux utility called "pcipnp" available in any distribution, and configuring soundcards remains a knotty problem. How can GNU/Linux ever expect to make serious inroads into the M--S---T market if one of today's most important computer peripherals receives such deficient support? Currently, far too many users must turn to OSS, supporting drivers which, no offense to the company or its products, are contrary to open source and free software ideals.
Is there any hope for this situation?
There IS one (as far as I know). Have a look at <A HREF="http://alsa.jcu.cz/"><A HREF="http://alsa.jcu.cz/</A">http://alsa.jcu.cz/</A</A>> and they'll mention the pnp proggy you should find. I *think* it's called pnpdump or something like that. Have a go at a "pnp" search at freshmeat.net and <A HREF="http://lfw.linuxhq.com"><A HREF="http://lfw.linuxhq.com</A">http://lfw.linuxhq.com</A</A>> and see if you're lucky ;) -- Martin Moeller. - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
I'm running SuSE 5.2 with a 2.0.35 kernel and I'm compiling support for my PnP SB16 card directly into my kernel. As long as I run "isapnp" to configure my sound card's I/O addresses, IRQ, and DMA values, sound is working fine for me. I downloaded the entire 2.0.35 kernel source tarball from the SuSE FTP site. Tony Michael Johnson wrote:
Are people compiling sound in by non-modular means also experiencing problems? Just wondered. This appears only to affect people who are using modularized sound with their kernels.
On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Lenz Grimmer wrote:
Since there are so many different sound cards, we cannot provide a sound module that is working for all of them. In addition to that, more and more people are using OSS. Therefore we have made the decision, to comment out the sound module line in /etc/conf.modules. This is why you still can manually load it, but kerneld won't. We had a lot of support requests from people, who crashed their machines because kerneld attempted to load the sound module on machines which where not properly configured. All you have to do is to reactivate this line in /etc/conf.modules. Look for the string "alias char-major-14" and make sure, there's no "#" in front of it and the second column reads "sound", not "off".
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Lenz Grimmer wrote:
Since there are so many different sound cards, we cannot provide a sound module that is working for all of them. In addition to that, more and more people are using OSS. Therefore we have made the decision, to comment out the sound module line in /etc/conf.modules. This is why you still can manually load it, but kerneld won't. We had a lot of support requests from people, who crashed their machines because kerneld attempted to load the sound module on machines which where not properly configured.
This is a TERRIBLE idea, to break sound completely because a percentage of your users are such idiots they can't be trusted to have properly configured boxes.
to do is to reactivate this line in /etc/conf.modules. Look for the string "alias char-major-14" and make sure, there's no "#" in front of it and the second column reads "sound", not "off".
If I manually inserted the module I got sound from cd and mp3s. Midi was completely broken, period. I installed OSS just to see if that would work, and I got _the_exact_same_results_, cd and mp3 played fine, no midi at all. Apparently there is some sort of problem with /dev/dsp that neither S.u.S.E. 5.1 or 5.2 suffered from. This has totally sucked for me, S.u.S.E. linux was a very important part of my life, and today's problems have made me _physically_ill_, I am so stressed over it. BUT I WILL NOT USE A BROKEN DIST. Nothing would make me happier than to have a 100 0.000000unctional 5.3 install, but I am not going to relearn everything I know about linux to make this dist have proper sound. If someone could give me a plain answer why /dev/dsp is broken with the kernel drivers AND with oss under 5.3 and how to fix it I would be in heaven, otherwise I need to format and give my S.u.S.E. partitions to FreeBSD because I can't afford to go any longer without my pc. Please reply to me directly as I am no longer on the mailing list. -- .###. /#######\## -==============================================- ;##### ;# Mike's WindowMaker ;##### ;# <A HREF="http://tasteslikechicken.ml.org/windowmaker.html"><A HREF="http://tasteslikechicken.ml.org/windowmaker.html</A">http://tasteslikechicken.ml.org/windowmaker.html</A</A>> \# /## -==============================================- ###'---'#### - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Hi, On Fri, Sep 04, Michael Lankton wrote:
If I manually inserted the module I got sound from cd and mp3s. Midi was completely broken, period. I installed OSS just to see if that would work, and I got _the_exact_same_results_, cd and mp3 played fine, no midi at all. Apparently there is some sort of problem with /dev/dsp that neither S.u.S.E. 5.1 or 5.2 suffered from.
I can't imagine any change in the distribution that could cause this sort of problem. Probably this is a kernel problem that should be fixed.
This has totally sucked for me, S.u.S.E. linux was a very important part of my life, and today's problems have made me _physically_ill_, I am so stressed over it. BUT I WILL NOT USE A BROKEN DIST. Nothing would make
Judging from the postings it seems to me that this sound problem is the one and only real problem you encountered. If you consider a distribution broken because of one minor issue, there will always be broken dists for you. Ok, you didn't have this specific problem with 5.2 but there have surely been more bugs in 5.2 than in 5.3. Most people could consider any and all Linux distributions broken. I really would have appreciated you help us fix this particular problem.
Please reply to me directly as I am no longer on the mailing list.
Sad. Live long and prosper ;-) And thank you for all the help you gave to us and others in the last months. -o) Hubert Mantel /\\ _\_v - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Geez, I've never been able to get sound to work (but I've got a crappy opti931) Perhaps i should give up linux all together? (yeah right:) harry
Hi,
On Fri, Sep 04, Michael Lankton wrote:
If I manually inserted the module I got sound from cd and mp3s. Midi was completely broken, period. I installed OSS just to see if that would work, and I got _the_exact_same_results_, cd and mp3 played fine, no midi at all. Apparently there is some sort of problem with /dev/dsp that neither S.u.S.E. 5.1 or 5.2 suffered from.
I can't imagine any change in the distribution that could cause this sort of problem. Probably this is a kernel problem that should be fixed.
This has totally sucked for me, S.u.S.E. linux was a very important part of my life, and today's problems have made me _physically_ill_, I am so stressed over it. BUT I WILL NOT USE A BROKEN DIST. Nothing would make
Judging from the postings it seems to me that this sound problem is the one and only real problem you encountered. If you consider a distribution broken because of one minor issue, there will always be broken dists for you. Ok, you didn't have this specific problem with 5.2 but there have surely been more bugs in 5.2 than in 5.3. Most people could consider any and all Linux distributions broken.
I really would have appreciated you help us fix this particular problem.
Please reply to me directly as I am no longer on the mailing list.
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Rihmez, Michael has been working too hard. He should turn his computer off for a weekend and go do someting else. Steve Rihmez wrote:
Geez, I've never been able to get sound to work (but I've got a crappy opti931) Perhaps i should give up linux all together? (yeah right:) harry
Hi,
On Fri, Sep 04, Michael Lankton wrote:
If I manually inserted the module I got sound from cd and mp3s. Midi was completely broken, period. I installed OSS just to see if that would work, and I got _the_exact_same_results_, cd and mp3 played fine, no midi at all. Apparently there is some sort of problem with /dev/dsp that neither S.u.S.E. 5.1 or 5.2 suffered from.
I can't imagine any change in the distribution that could cause this sort of problem. Probably this is a kernel problem that should be fixed.
This has totally sucked for me, S.u.S.E. linux was a very important part of my life, and today's problems have made me _physically_ill_, I am so stressed over it. BUT I WILL NOT USE A BROKEN DIST. Nothing would make
Judging from the postings it seems to me that this sound problem is the one and only real problem you encountered. If you consider a distribution broken because of one minor issue, there will always be broken dists for you. Ok, you didn't have this specific problem with 5.2 but there have surely been more bugs in 5.2 than in 5.3. Most people could consider any and all Linux distributions broken.
I really would have appreciated you help us fix this particular problem.
Please reply to me directly as I am no longer on the mailing list.
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Geez, I've never been able to get sound to work (but I've got a crappy opti931) Perhaps i should give up linux all together? (yeah right:) harry
No! Crappy Opti sound card owners don't give up! I got my (POS) Opti930 working beautifully. As far as I can tell you can not _fully_ isapnp-configure the Opti93x cards so use the default configuration - no isapnp. This is how I configured my kernel: Sound card support: m Generic OPL2/OPL3 FM synthesizer support: y Support MAD16 and/or Mozart based boards: y /dev/dsp/ and /dev/audio support: y MIDI interface support: y FM synthesizer support: y MAD16 audio I/O base 530, 604, E80 or F40: 530 MAD16 audio IRQ 7,9,10, or 11: 11 MAD16 audio DMA 0,1 or 3: 3 MAD16 second (duplex) DMA 0,1 or 3: 0 MAD16 MIDI I/O base 300,310,320, or 330: 330 MAD16 MIDI IRQ 5,7,9 or 10: 9 Audio DMA buffer size: 65536 I don't know if these same settings will work for the 931, but they work for the 930, and I would bet the 928-929 also. Also take a look at: <A HREF="http://www.sequel.demon.co.uk/opti.html"><A HREF="http://www.sequel.demon.co.uk/opti.html</A">http://www.sequel.demon.co.uk/opti.html</A</A>> for more info Note: if you warm-boot Linux after running a Mickeysoft OS, your Opti card will most likely not function. Throw the switch and cold boot to get that Opti piece-o-crap re-set to default configuration. Good luck. - Ben - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Hubert Mantel wrote:
Judging from the postings it seems to me that this sound problem is the one and only real problem you encountered. If you consider a distribution broken because of one minor issue, there will always be broken dists for you. Ok, you didn't have this specific problem with 5.2 but there have surely been more bugs in 5.2 than in 5.3. Most people could consider any and all Linux distributions broken.
I think he had a bad week and overreacted. To me saying a dist is suited to be trashed just cause you can't play midi, seems to border on the ridiculous. Anyways, hopefully, we can move on, as I'd hate to see the list hostage to the disenchanted. :-) Michael, who is still looking forward to 5.3. - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Hello, I still waiting for my SuSE 5.3 (2 weeks later) And I live one state away from thier US home site. I gave away all my old SuSE to friends and before I did this I broke my 5.2 trying to get all the updates for a Development kerenel to work.(like SU wont work no more and such) So I basicly out of a Linux untill SuSE 5.3 gets here. I can still boot to Linux SuSE 5.2 w/kernel 2.0.53 w/sound modulerized :P But things are way broken :P I am sure I could fix what I broke but I aint at that level yet. I'm basicly a END user of Linux, just digging into C, Emacs, debuging, and learning what each and every thing does. I have looked into packages such as Samba/Networking/Apache/wm(s) that I am beta testing with core dumps(sending em off to the developer) Helped with information about Adaptecs aic7xxx driver with the developer Doug Ledford. Gesh I am having a blast on Linux so far. (whats it been a solid year or more of me playing with linux on a daily bases) On the Sound problem, I too have an ISA SoundBlaster AWE64 Gold. Never have I got the midi to work on it, tho all other sound works fine. Yes I do have it as a sound moudule and each time I boot linux I do two things from the root login: modprobe -a sound/and start my ppp connection ppp-on(pon). But I have got around not having midi by useing Timitity. Tho not really midi, it does make it work and the Netscape plug make midi pages work great with Timitity. Second: I have found that kppp and kmid/k anything never works for me. Tho why would I want to be restrained to a WM desktop for running my net connection/sound is beyond me. Third: SuSE hasn't put in a MIDI package that seems to work. Jazz? well I just want right now for MIDI to play, I have no knowledge of mix mastering midi tracks so I think JAZZ is out of the question. fourth: OSS has sorta worked for me in the past. Yes I did pay 20 bucks for it when I first got Linux on my computer to get sound. But it fell short of playing anything/or freezeing my system except Audio CD through workman/motif CD player or I did get wav playing in the start up of TK-DESK. But thats it! When I leared how to modulerize sound in the Kernel, everything worked flawlessly except MIDI. :) go figure.. whats so bad about typeing modprobe -a sound? Michael Lankton: Dunno if your going to get this, but maybe you will. I hope you have found a way to get sound working on the SuSE by your methods, if you have got MIDI to play on a SuSE 5.2 or older. I'd like to hear about it on the SuSE mailing list. I wish you would come back. Alot of people have more than one Linux distro on thier HDS, feel free to do so, I think I remember you haveing freeBSD too? Giving up on SUSE in one hour of fustration is not the way to go. I am sure alot of people here would be more than willing to help you figure out a way to get it going. So come back :P Last I think its very wrong to nail someone to the wall over thier fustration level. As Hubert said, consider all Linux distros broken Geesh haveing over 1800 packages, you'd think that ALL works right out of the box. ;) I don't think so. and not haveing glibc2 right now maybe fustrating for thoes who want/need/would like to use NOW. But consider SuSE 5.3 the last rock solid libc5 distro, that might be used for the base for a solid non fustrating level of use, that someone with a critical box might not want to use a glibc2 system for, I hear alot of people complaining about glibc2, and alot of people say its good/faster at the same time. So I guess I can wait a bit or stick Debian 2.0 on a different partition to find out how well glibc2 is doing. Steve Udell hettar@teleport.com sudell@teleport.com Michael Johnson wrote:
On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Hubert Mantel wrote:
Judging from the postings it seems to me that this sound problem is the one and only real problem you encountered. If you consider a distribution broken because of one minor issue, there will always be broken dists for you. Ok, you didn't have this specific problem with 5.2 but there have surely been more bugs in 5.2 than in 5.3. Most people could consider any and all Linux distributions broken.
I think he had a bad week and overreacted. To me saying a dist is suited to be trashed just cause you can't play midi, seems to border on the ridiculous. Anyways, hopefully, we can move on, as I'd hate to see the list hostage to the disenchanted. :-) Michael, who is still looking forward to 5.3.
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Steven Udell wrote:
On the Sound problem, I too have an ISA SoundBlaster AWE64 Gold. Never have I got the midi to work on it, tho all other sound works fine. Yes I do have it as a sound moudule and each time I boot linux
If you haven't already, visit: <A HREF="http://bahamut.mm.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~iwai/midi.html"><A HREF="http://bahamut.mm.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~iwai/midi.html</A">http://bahamut.mm.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~iwai/midi.html</A</A>> There you will find utilities to initialize the soundfont banks, soundfonts and drivers which most likely are not needed anymore. The utilities, however, seem to be, if you want to use the AWE32/64 onboard WaveTable (and who doesn't)? You need to load a soundfont for it to work, as far as I can tell. Get sfxload and e.g. chaos8mb if you have 8MB or more on your board. Otherwise load, say, synthgm.sbk/sf2 from your windows CD and see what happens.... -- Martin Moeller. - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
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Steven Udell wrote:
On the Sound problem, I too have an ISA SoundBlaster AWE64 Gold. Never have I got the midi to work on it, tho all other sound works fine. Yes I do have it as a sound moudule and each time I boot linux
If you haven't already, visit: <A HREF="http://bahamut.mm.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~iwai/midi.html"><A HREF="http://bahamut.mm.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~iwai/midi.html</A">http://bahamut.mm.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~iwai/midi.html</A</A>> There you will find utilities to initialize the soundfont banks, soundfonts and drivers which most likely are not needed anymore. The utilities, however, seem to be, if you want to use the AWE32/64 onboard WaveTable (and who doesn't)? You need to load a soundfont for it to work, as far as I can tell. Get sfxload and e.g. chaos8mb if you have 8MB or more on your board. Otherwise load, say, synthgm.sbk/sf2 from your windows CD and see what happens....
Been there tried that. I did grab the synthgm.sbk from my SB cd. It loaded with no errors.(return to prompt) then I go find a MIDI player..None of them work. I download midiplay playmidi and it still don't work. Only thing that is giving me midi is Timidity tho thats not really midi playing tho. Anyways still waiting for my SuSE 5.3 disks to get here..been a subscriber from 5.0....Its 3 weeks late now. I am one state away. This is getting me upset. (it wouldn't be so bad if I didn't get rid of my older copys of SuSE to all my friends) (also I have put in a brand spanken new SCSI HD for Linux itself) (waiting is a nightmare) Steve Udell hettar@teleport.com - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
You mentioned this before and I never responded. I live in Oregon, and by teleport.com I would suspect you do as well. Am I correct? I'm out here in melon town, otherwise known as Hermiston. I hate to spoil the party, I got 5.3 last Monday. Pre-ordering pays off. Steve *********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
Anyways still waiting for my SuSE 5.3 disks to get here..been a subscriber from 5.0....Its 3 weeks late now. I am one state away. This is getting me upset.
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You mentioned this before and I never responded. I live in Oregon, and by teleport.com I would suspect you do as well. Am I correct? I'm out here in melon town, otherwise known as Hermiston.
I hate to spoil the party, I got 5.3 last Monday. Pre-ordering pays off.
'Lived in Hermiston MANY, MANY years ago....Eugene as well. The later when Dad was getting his masters and PHD at the U. of O. And, yes, I remember well the melons of "Melon Town."<g> Fred -- - Windows 98 supports real multitasking - it can boot and crash simultaneously - Fred A. Miller, Systems Administrator Cornell Univ. Press Services fmiller@lightlink.com fm@cupserv.org - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
An Oregonion S.u.S.E. user! ;) I guess I didn't see this message at first, or I would of replyed. In fact I do live in Salem, Oregon. And teleport.com is my ISP and US worst is my phone comp. Life is peachy. Well it will be like tuesday at best before I get my SuSE disks. Steve Udell hettar@teleport.com sudell@teleport.com Fred A. Miller wrote:
Steve Mills wrote:
You mentioned this before and I never responded. I live in Oregon, and by teleport.com I would suspect you do as well. Am I correct? I'm out here in melon town, otherwise known as Hermiston.
I hate to spoil the party, I got 5.3 last Monday. Pre-ordering pays off.
'Lived in Hermiston MANY, MANY years ago....Eugene as well. The later when Dad was getting his masters and PHD at the U. of O. And, yes, I remember well the melons of "Melon Town."<g>
Fred
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Steven Udell wrote:
An Oregonion S.u.S.E. user! ;)
I guess I didn't see this message at first, or I would of replyed. In fact I do live in Salem, Oregon. And teleport.com is my ISP and US worst is my phone comp. Life is peachy. Well it will be like tuesday at best before I get my SuSE disks.
Ok....Salem was a nice area, but have been there since....well, a long time ago.<g> Best, Fred -- - Windows 98 supports real multitasking - it can boot and crash simultaneously - Fred A. Miller, Systems Administrator Cornell Univ. Press Services fmiller@lightlink.com fm@cupserv.org - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
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On Sun, 06 Sep 1998, Mike Lankton wrote:
I lived in Portland in 1987. I really miss Oregon. I moved to Seattle afterwards, but Seattle sucked. Hopefully I can relocate to Oregon again someday.
Small world..... we lived in Yoncalla (yep, it's a dead end exit off I-5), ya know the place "with the ice cream". After 12 years on Vashon Island, outside of Seattle, where I worked. No comparing OR to WA, imo, OR is best. andy <<-- wunderin' what i'd give to get outta the Communist Commonwealth of Massachusetts (hope I spelled it right!), the home Clinton's comming out party. hehehe - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
sandy wrote:
On Sun, 06 Sep 1998, Mike Lankton wrote:
I lived in Portland in 1987. I really miss Oregon. I moved to Seattle afterwards, but Seattle sucked. Hopefully I can relocate to Oregon again someday.
Small world..... we lived in Yoncalla (yep, it's a dead end exit off I-5), ya know the place "with the ice cream". After 12 years on Vashon Island, outside of Seattle, where I worked. No comparing OR to WA, imo, OR is best.
sandy <<-- wunderin' what i'd give to get outta the Communist Commonwealth of Massachusetts (hope I spelled it right!), the home Clinton's comming out party. hehehe
NICE sig, Sandy! Fred -- - Windows 98 supports real multitasking - it can boot and crash simultaneously - Fred A. Miller, Systems Administrator Cornell Univ. Press Services fmiller@lightlink.com fm@cupserv.org - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Michael Lankton wrote:
I lived in Portland in 1987. I really miss Oregon. I moved to Seattle afterwards, but Seattle sucked. Hopefully I can relocate to Oregon again someday.
I'm from Spokane, and your assessment of Seattle is right on, and applies to Spokane as well now. I've been here in Upstate NY for sometime....in the country.<g> Fred -- - Windows 98 supports real multitasking - it can boot and crash simultaneously - Fred A. Miller, Systems Administrator Cornell Univ. Press Services fmiller@lightlink.com fm@cupserv.org - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
You wouldn't know this place now. WalMart distribution center just went in and the depot is being cleaned up, new prison, yada, yada. The place is going absolutely crazy. I've been here all of my 44 years. Steve *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 9/6/98, at 2:11 AM, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Steve Mills wrote:
You mentioned this before and I never responded. I live in Oregon, and
by
teleport.com I would suspect you do as well. Am I correct? I'm out here in melon town, otherwise known as Hermiston.
I hate to spoil the party, I got 5.3 last Monday. Pre-ordering pays off.
'Lived in Hermiston MANY, MANY years ago....Eugene as well. The later when Dad was getting his masters and PHD at the U. of O. And, yes, I remember well the melons of "Melon Town."<g>
Fred
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You wouldn't know this place now. WalMart distribution center just went in and the depot is being cleaned up, new prison, yada, yada. The place is going absolutely crazy. I've been here all of my 44 years.
Your right....I wouldn't recognize it. Too bad it's getting too big, but then, I'm not one for cities anyway. Best part of the state is way up in the mtns. on the east side of the "valley." Best, Fred -- - Windows 98 supports real multitasking - it can boot and crash simultaneously - Fred A. Miller, Systems Administrator Cornell Univ. Press Services fmiller@lightlink.com fm@cupserv.org - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
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Been there tried that. I did grab the synthgm.sbk from my SB cd. It loaded with no errors.(return to prompt) then I go find a MIDI player..None of them work. I download midiplay playmidi and it still don't work. Only thing that is giving me midi is Timidity tho thats not really midi playing tho.
Anyways still waiting for my SuSE 5.3 disks to get here..been a subscriber from 5.0....Its 3 weeks late now. I am one state away. This is getting me upset.
I know, I just got my copy today. It was nice to see the changes in it though.
(it wouldn't be so bad if I didn't get rid of my older copys of SuSE to all my friends) (also I have put in a brand spanken new SCSI HD for Linux itself) (waiting is a nightmare)
Great...what size ? I prefer SCSI 100% One difference in 5.3 is the much limited # of install groupings. We had a full page of types in 5.2 and now only a few. You can edit though in expert mode. Best Regards -Dee - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Steven Udell wrote:
Martin Møller wrote:
Been there tried that. I did grab the synthgm.sbk from my SB cd. It loaded with no errors.(return to prompt) then I go find a MIDI player..None of them work. I download midiplay playmidi and it still don't work. Only thing that is giving me midi is Timidity tho thats not really midi playing tho. To be fair, my SB AWE 32 is of the thankfully old version that is semi-PnP, but not head over heals PnP. For instance, I have never had to use isapnp to get it to work. Oh, and I just installed sfxload, etc. and everything is working great for me on SuSE 5.3 with OSS/Free drivers (ALSA still has to include MIDI support). This at least tells me the
[sfxload] problem is mainly the PnP part of it all -- or IS it? ;) I have always disliked these totally PnP devices. I want choice. I don't want values forced upon me like that (If you've tried windows with a modern sound card, you probably know what I mean). BTW: I downloaded the Chaos12mb soundfont bank too, and found to my delight that drvmidi and tkmidi supports dynamic loading from soundfonts, so now I can use the 12 MB font on my 8 MB AWE. AWEsome! I have never seen a utility that could do that for Windows (except, with tweaking and hassle, AWEToy). This is wonderfully automatic, but of course delays the MIDI starting somewhat. -- Martin Moeller. - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Judging from the postings it seems to me that this sound problem is the one and only real problem you encountered. If you consider a distribution
Now Lankton is no longer on this list it may not be polite to talk about him. I have to say, though, that I haven't seen that kind of overreaction for a long time. Wonder what's wrong with him. But on to the topic: According to Lankton the midi is broken. Is it? How do I use the midi interface? The only package I could find with reference to midi was jazz, and that seems a bit overkill. I don't want to install a lot of packages (required by jazz) just because of midi. Second: YaST has an option under Integreate hw into system, where there is a sound option - but it's 'grayed out', not possible to choose. Why not? Because it couldn't find my Soundblaster 64? - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Kaare Rasmussen wrote:
Second: YaST has an option under Integreate hw into system, where there is a sound option - but it's 'grayed out', not possible to choose.
Why not? Because it couldn't find my Soundblaster 64?
This I'm puzzled about as well. Is it an upcoming feature? -- Martin Moeller. - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Lenz Grimmer wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Michael Lankton wrote:
If anyone could explain why sound is completely broken in 5.3 I could use some help. I have been compiling sound as a module since 2.0.29 and I have always had a perfectly functioning system. 5.3 won't load the module unless I manually insmod it, and then midi is still completely broken. I downloaded fresh 2.0.35 source to see if it was the 5.3 sources, but it's something else in the os because it displayed the same behaviour. This is _really_pissing_me_off_. I have compiled dozens and dozens of kernels since I started using S.u.S.E. with S.u.S.E. 5.1 and I am not doing anything differently and I am 4 kernels into 5.3 and none of them have had properly working sound.
Since there are so many different sound cards, we cannot provide a sound module that is working for all of them. In addition to that, more and more people are using OSS. Therefore we have made the decision, to comment out the sound module line in /etc/conf.modules. This is why you still can manually load it, but kerneld won't. We had a lot of support requests from people, who crashed their machines because kerneld attempted to load the sound module on machines which where not properly configured. All you have to do is to reactivate this line in /etc/conf.modules. Look for the string "alias char-major-14" and make sure, there's no "#" in front of it and the second column reads "sound", not "off".
Lenz, I installed 5.3, I've compiled a kernel that has sound turned off (as with 5.2), but the OSS driver will not load...the error is: Loading sndshield module failed. Trying to recompile it. Attempting to load sndshield again. Loading sndshield still fails. Any help, since 5.3 broke OSS? Fred - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Can you add information to the S.u.S.E. faq providing information about the shift in the way 5.3 handles modularized sound? I know it's not an immediate solution for extremely annoyed users, but as it should be there, so users don't get so pissed off and surprised when they can't use the formal kerneld way. On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Lenz Grimmer wrote:
Since there are so many different sound cards, we cannot provide a sound module that is working for all of them. In addition to that, more and more people are using OSS. Therefore we have made the decision, to comment out the sound module line in /etc/conf.modules. This is why you still can manually load it, but kerneld won't. We had a lot of support requests from people, who crashed their machines because kerneld attempted to load the sound module on machines which where not properly configured. All you have to do is to reactivate this line in /etc/conf.modules. Look for the string "alias char-major-14" and make sure, there's no "#" in front of it and the second column reads "sound", not "off".
Best regards,
LenZ
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Hi, Sorry for the delayed answer. On Sat, 5 Sep 1998, Michael Johnson wrote:
Can you add information to the S.u.S.E. faq providing information about the shift in the way 5.3 handles modularized sound? I know it's not an immediate solution for extremely annoyed users, but as it should be there, so users don't get so pissed off and surprised when they can't use the formal kerneld way.
We now have a detailed article in our support database (SDB), which covers this issue: <A HREF="http://www.suse.de/Support/sdb_e/rb_soundautoload.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.de/Support/sdb_e/rb_soundautoload.html</A">http://www.suse.de/Support/sdb_e/rb_soundautoload.html</A</A>> Thanks to Rüdiger Berlich for his work on this. Best regards, LenZ ------------------------------------------------------------------ Lenz Grimmer S.u.S.E. GmbH <A HREF="mailto:grimmer@suse.de">mailto:grimmer@suse.de</A> Gebhardtstrasse 2 <A HREF="http://www.suse.de"><A HREF="http://www.suse.de</A">http://www.suse.de</A</A>> 90762 Fuerth, Germany - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
suse has nothing to do with sound it's the kernel guys that have changed the scheme ALL the newer kernels up to 2.1.120 have screwed up sound. I haven't had sound working properly with any PNP card (this is the main problem) since 1.x.xx. when you could manually set by jumpers the irq io etc. I get sound to work kindof by using isapnp but it's a bit queer. The upshot is linux can't do PNP. Len Michael Lankton wrote:
If anyone could explain why sound is completely broken in 5.3 I could use some help. I have been compiling sound as a module since 2.0.29 and I have always had a perfectly functioning system. 5.3 won't load the module unless I manually insmod it, and then midi is still completely broken. I downloaded fresh 2.0.35 source to see if it was the 5.3 sources, but it's something else in the os because it displayed the same behaviour. This is _really_pissing_me_off_. I have compiled dozens and dozens of kernels since I started using S.u.S.E. with S.u.S.E. 5.1 and I am not doing anything differently and I am 4 kernels into 5.3 and none of them have had properly working sound.
On a happier note, SaX is a very good idea, but I get a corrupted image when I set up x with it. Luckily XF86Setup is still included. -- .###. /#######\## -==============================================- ;##### ;# Mike's WindowMaker ;##### ;# <A HREF="http://tasteslikechicken.ml.org/windowmaker.html"><A HREF="http://tasteslikechicken.ml.org/windowmaker.html</A">http://tasteslikechicken.ml.org/windowmaker.html</A</A>> \# /## -==============================================- ###'---'#### - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
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On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, lweiss wrote:
suse has nothing to do with sound it's the kernel guys that have changed the scheme ALL the newer kernels up to 2.1.120 have screwed up sound. I haven't had sound working properly with any PNP card (this is the main problem) since 1.x.xx. when you could manually set by jumpers the irq io etc. I get sound to work kindof by using isapnp but it's a bit queer. The upshot is linux can't do PNP. Len
But what is screwed up in the kernel then? I haven't upgraded to 5.3 yet (although it's sitting on my desk - just arrived) but I'm running on the SuSE 2.0.35 kernel with 5.2 and sound works fine with my AWE 64. The same kernel is in 5.3 isn't it? Phil -- Philip Stokes <phil@stokes.demon.co.uk> - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
lweiss wrote:
suse has nothing to do with sound it's the kernel guys that have changed the scheme ALL the newer kernels up to 2.1.120 have screwed up sound. I haven't had sound working properly with any PNP card (this is the main problem) since 1.x.xx. when you could manually set by jumpers the irq io etc. I get sound to work kindof by using isapnp but it's a bit queer. The upshot is linux can't do PNP.
And, that is intolerable, period! There's NO friggin excuse for this! Fred -- - Windows 98 supports real multitasking - it can boot and crash simultaneously - Fred A. Miller, Systems Administrator Cornell Univ. Press Services fmiller@lightlink.com fm@cupserv.org - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
If it were Microsoft I'd agree. This is Linux, where if it's broke it's really not a problem you can demand an answer from development for. Development is mostly by volunteers, after all, not paid code monkeys. Support is mostly an amatuer effort too. On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Fred A. Miller wrote:
And, that is intolerable, period! There's NO friggin excuse for this!
Fred
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