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On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 01:14:36PM -0400, William Biggs wrote:
I get this error evertime I boot up. How can I get this to do it buy it self ? /usr/sbin/rcpowersaved start
<snip> Do not take this as a flame. It is intend to get you the best support for now and in the future. openSUSE is the comunity and SUSE is the distribution. This means that this openSUSE mailinglist is about the community. The mailinglist for technical help is on *suse-linux-e* Just subscribe via this email address: suse-linux-e-subscribe@suse.com, post your original email again there, and you will get a straight answer.
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Please take a look at http://en.opensuse.org/Communicate to see wich list is exactly for what purpose. Again, this is not a flame. This is intended to bring you to the correct place so you will get better help _and_ to keep this list free from unwanted treads. Thanks and I hope you will soon find a solution. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html
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Please stop posting like this. The postings referring elsewhare are becoming trolling, unfortunately, due to their excessive nature. Isn't building community helping others? Excessive policing of others can really be a turn-off. Orienting to the community should be a positive experience. Because someone asks a question in a different list than is intended, should we not help at all? Hardly. Here is an analogy. If you are in a department store, and you have a question, you ask the nearest worker. They could be a cashier, someone in jewelry, men's clothing, sporting goods, etc. If they are excessively busy, they will try to point you in the general direction of your question. However, more often than not, if they have good skills, they will often help. with the added caveat of *also* directing the customer to the correct place *for the future.* While I do believe houghi is trying to be helpful, it appears to me that it's starting to go a bit too far. Without helpful nature, the "RTFM syndrome" takes over and becomes a place for elitists. Responding *privately* to someone's thread in this manner (below) might be more appropriate rather than chastising people in public every single time. I write this in public to help further discussion of this. People do not use SUSE in order to be constantly chastized. They come to enjoy themselves and utilize the mailing lists as a way to learn more, utilize them as tools, and try to better their computing experience. Didactic and preachy posts that come one or two a day in an identical fashion such as the one below can often drive others out rather than help bring people into the fold. This is just my 2¢, but I count 15 of these specific identical messages recently. RP P.S. Yes, I prefer top-posting, as I read top to bottom in English, regardless of the locale.\ houghi wrote:
<snip> Do not take this as a flame. It is intend to get you the best support for now and in the future.
openSUSE is the comunity and SUSE is the distribution. This means that this openSUSE mailinglist is about the community. The mailinglist for technical help is on *suse-linux-e* Just subscribe via this email address: suse-linux-e-subscribe@suse.com, post your original email again there, and you will get a straight answer.
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Please take a look at http://en.opensuse.org/Communicate to see wich list is exactly for what purpose.
Again, this is not a flame. This is intended to bring you to the correct place so you will get better help _and_ to keep this list free from unwanted treads.
Thanks and I hope you will soon find a solution.
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Renegade Penguin wrote:
Isn't building community helping others? Excessive policing of others can really be a turn-off.
The openSUSE wiki is clear enough http://en.opensuse.org/Communicate#Mailing_Lists questions off chart asked here won't probably receive answers, so redirecting to an other list is the best thing we can do (thanks Houghi to do so, I know it's not a pleasant task) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@opensuse.org
Lørdag 03 juni 2006 19:48 skrev Renegade Penguin:
Please stop posting like this. The postings referring elsewhare are becoming trolling, unfortunately, due to their excessive nature.
Isn't building community helping others? Excessive policing of others can really be a turn-off.
We need to keep this list free of "spam" - how are we supposed to have community discussions if the list also has 4000+ mails a month of technical questions, as suse-linux-e has - in addition to the traffic that we already have. Either we help with technical problems on this list or we don't - I say we don't - or do you think we should differentiate - and help some but not others? Accepting technical questions on this list would effectively kill community building. Until now "spam" has been kept at a pretty low level - but only because we have been quick to redirect people to the correct mailinglist. I say Houghi is doing an important and unpleasant task. If you have suggestions on how to make the message more polite please post them. Martin / cb400f --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@opensuse.org
I actually did have a good idea, and posted it. The occasional helpful issue is pretty good. Houghi writing to them *privately* instead of in public, upsetting others, was the suggestion that I used. I did this in the public arena so that it can be an open discussion, and hopefully result in positive solutions. There is a line between helping on technical issues and moving them to other lists. The grey area exists in building community. I'm starting to perceive more of what appears to be a hostile attitude, not by one particular person but my more among the group. This is why I sounded off - to try to keep things positive as well as help others who may want to sound off on the debate. Depending on the level of the technical questions - see the "anything RIGHT with 10.1?" threads among others - sometimes general problems or even specific problem discussion can be helpful to the rest of the community. Also, I know tone is not conveyed in e-mail much so I'll give you an indication of my mood as well, which is constructive. =) RP Martin Schlander wrote:
Either we help with technical problems on this list or we don't - I say we
don't - or do you think we should differentiate - and help some but not others?
Accepting technical questions on this list would effectively kill community building. Until now "spam" has been kept at a pretty low level - but only because we have been quick to redirect people to the correct mailinglist.
I say Houghi is doing an important and unpleasant task. If you have suggestions on how to make the message more polite please post them.
Martin / cb400f
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On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 11:21:45AM -0700, Renegade Penguin wrote:
I actually did have a good idea, and posted it. The occasional helpful issue is pretty good. Houghi writing to them *privately* instead of in public, upsetting others, was the suggestion that I used. I did this in the public arena so that it can be an open discussion, and hopefully result in positive solutions.
Please do not toppost. Writing to people privatly will not result in the much needed effect. Now some people will see where to go and NOT post an answer or directly go to suse-linux-e.
There is a line between helping on technical issues and moving them to other lists. The grey area exists in building community. I'm starting to perceive more of what appears to be a hostile attitude, not by one particular person but my more among the group. This is why I sounded off - to try to keep things positive as well as help others who may want to sound off on the debate.
Considering technical questions, there realy is no grey area. Technical questions go to suse-linux-e. Community questions to openSUSE. If you have a questions that contains both, see if it has anything technical in it. If it has, it should go to suse-linux-e
Depending on the level of the technical questions - see the "anything RIGHT with 10.1?" threads among others - sometimes general problems or even specific problem discussion can be helpful to the rest of the community.
They sure can. If you stat with a negative question as a subject, I don't think that is very helpfull to anybody. As if asking when somebody stopped beating their wife.
Also, I know tone is not conveyed in e-mail much so I'll give you an indication of my mood as well, which is constructive.
I know. So if the tone of my standard reply is too harsh, please tell me how to soften it, without loosing its meaning. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Renegade Penguin wrote: "Renegade Penguin", again, please do not top-post, it's very annoying, now *I* have to fix your email layout. And using real names is much nicer BTW ;)
Martin Schlander wrote:
Either we help with technical problems on this list or we don't - I say we don't - or do you think we should differentiate - and help some but not others?
+1, this list is not for technical issues.
Accepting technical questions on this list would effectively kill community building. Until now "spam" has been kept at a pretty low level - but only because we have been quick to redirect people to the correct mailinglist.
Exactly. Allowing technical topics on this list will kill it (and it's already damn near the red line).
I say Houghi is doing an important and unpleasant task. If you have suggestions on how to make the message more polite please post them.
100% ACK Houghi is doing a good job at redirecting them, thanks for moderating.
I actually did have a good idea, and posted it. The occasional helpful issue is pretty good. Houghi writing to them *privately* instead of in public, upsetting others, was the suggestion that I used. I did this in the public arena so that it can be an open discussion, and hopefully result in positive solutions.
I don't think writing to them privately is the best option. Could be discussed though.
There is a line between helping on technical issues and moving them to other lists. The grey area exists in building community. I'm starting
Read my li^H^H^H email body: /this list is not for technical questions/.
to perceive more of what appears to be a hostile attitude, not by one particular person but my more among the group. This is why I sounded off - to try to keep things positive as well as help others who may want to sound off on the debate.
Now, I find that very offending. 1) I don't see anything "hostile" in houghi's reply and if you do, as houghi asked you about 2 or 3 times, please come up with a better proposal as for the content of his email - but the following aspects are not up to discussion: this list is not for technical questions, and there should be no replies to technical questions 2) our community has a hostile attitude ? Explain this. Really.
Depending on the level of the technical questions - see the "anything RIGHT with 10.1?" threads among others - sometimes general problems or even specific problem discussion can be helpful to the rest of the community.
Yes, but on suse-linux-e, which is dedicated to technical issues, not here.
Also, I know tone is not conveyed in e-mail much so I'll give you an indication of my mood as well, which is constructive.
My mood: offended by "what appears to be a hostile attitude, not by one particular person but more among the group" cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ <pascal.bleser@skynet.be> <guru@unixtech.be> _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEghZwr3NMWliFcXcRAqNLAJ0RmwznYaxcECeTDcqyQSa+s+/YNACfQDih jBTYHNrN7pByNWym9KndgTw= =0zOv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@opensuse.org
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 01:08:32AM +0200, Pascal Bleser wrote: <snip>
I say Houghi is doing an important and unpleasant task. If you have suggestions on how to make the message more polite please post them.
100% ACK
Houghi is doing a good job at redirecting them, thanks for moderating.
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On Sunday 04 June 2006 01:08, Pascal Bleser wrote:
Renegade Penguin wrote:
"Renegade Penguin", again, please do not top-post, it's very annoying, now *I* have to fix your email layout. And using real names is much nicer BTW ;)
(As annoying as the bottom post is to us?) Sorry couldn't resist, and refuse to get drawn into another top versus bottom posting discusion.... Renegade, the people in this list feal very strongly against top posting.... right or wrong, either way it's the standard for all SUSE lists, and has always been that way. Think you can compromise and give into this?
Martin Schlander wrote:
Either we help with technical problems on this list or we don't - I say we don't - or do you think we should differentiate - and help some but not others?
+1, this list is not for technical issues.
I also agree, that if we started helping technical questions, it would confuse people more than really help. And the danger of this list getting swamped with technical questions is very very real....
Accepting technical questions on this list would effectively kill community building. Until now "spam" has been kept at a pretty low level - but only because we have been quick to redirect people to the correct mailinglist.
Exactly. Allowing technical topics on this list will kill it (and it's already damn near the red line).
I say Houghi is doing an important and unpleasant task. If you have suggestions on how to make the message more polite please post them.
100% ACK
Houghi is doing a good job at redirecting them, thanks for moderating.
I add my thx to Houghi also.... It's an unpleasant job his doing but a necesary one.
I actually did have a good idea, and posted it. The occasional helpful issue is pretty good. Houghi writing to them *privately* instead of in public, upsetting others, was the suggestion that I used. I did this in the public arena so that it can be an open discussion, and hopefully result in positive solutions.
I don't think writing to them privately is the best option. Could be discussed though.
If there is a discusion, then my 2¢ is not to private... It seams to me that would open other can of worms. My experience is that any private email is an open invitation to private help. I simply refuse to PM anybody asking for help.
There is a line between helping on technical issues and moving them to other lists. The grey area exists in building community. I'm starting
Read my li^H^H^H email body: /this list is not for technical questions/.
to perceive more of what appears to be a hostile attitude, not by one particular person but my more among the group. This is why I sounded off - to try to keep things positive as well as help others who may want to sound off on the debate.
Now, I find that very offending.
1) I don't see anything "hostile" in houghi's reply and if you do, as houghi asked you about 2 or 3 times, please come up with a better proposal as for the content of his email - but the following aspects are not up to discussion: this list is not for technical questions, and there should be no replies to technical questions
2) our community has a hostile attitude ? Explain this. Really.
I understand both sides of the story. But I also had to swallow twice when I was "asked" to go to the technical list. No I don't know of how to phase it better.... how about one of our European colleagues? as they are famous for their tact, and sauve?
Depending on the level of the technical questions - see the "anything RIGHT with 10.1?" threads among others - sometimes general problems or even specific problem discussion can be helpful to the rest of the community.
Yes, but on suse-linux-e, which is dedicated to technical issues, not here.
Also, I know tone is not conveyed in e-mail much so I'll give you an indication of my mood as well, which is constructive.
My mood: offended by "what appears to be a hostile attitude, not by one particular person but more among the group"
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On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 08:01:39PM +0200, Martin Schlander wrote:
Either we help with technical problems on this list or we don't - I say we don't - or do you think we should differentiate - and help some but not others?
Accepting technical questions on this list would effectively kill community building. Until now "spam" has been kept at a pretty low level - but only because we have been quick to redirect people to the correct mailinglist.
My idea is to just kill off this list and make a new opensuse-community Untill then or another solution arises, I will keep posting to go to the correct place. For those who DO answer technical questions on this list. 1) You help poluting the list and therefore killing of this list for its intended purpose. This goes for all, including me. I try to resist answering any technical questions here. 2) If you do, also include a pointer to the correct list. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html
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On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 08:25:37PM +0200, houghi wrote: <snip>
2) If you do, also include a pointer to the correct list.
I have changed my signature. Is the mail that you get when you subscribe also saying something similar? If not, it might be included there, so we can point people to that mail. houghi -- This openSUSE mailinglist is about the community. All discussion about the community is welcome. If you have a techical question just subscribe via this email address: suse-linux-e-subscribe@suse.com, post your original email again there, and you will get a straight answer. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@opensuse.org
houghi wrote:
On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 08:25:37PM +0200, houghi wrote: <snip>
2) If you do, also include a pointer to the correct list.
I have changed my signature.
it's hopeless. I beg people write from the archives, not from the wiki and do not read really anithing before posting :-( jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 03 June 2006 1:25 pm, houghi wrote:
My idea is to just kill off this list and make a new opensuse-community Untill then or another solution arises, I will keep posting to go to the correct place.
You can run but you can't hide... No matter how you label this list the tech questions will follow. Nature of the beast - it's a tech product after all. Stay the course. "Time wounds all heals" (including me). Maybe if you weren't so quick others of us would be able to issue the same 'help message' and then it would look like the community is responding not just one person. Stan Glasoe - not an Anonymous Coward around here at least... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@opensuse.org
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 09:46:50AM -0500, S Glasoe wrote:
Maybe if you weren't so quick others of us would be able to issue the same 'help message' and then it would look like the community is responding not just one person.
Let us see if this actually happens. :-) houghi -- This openSUSE mailinglist is about the community. All discussion about the community is welcome. If you have a techical question just subscribe via this email address: suse-linux-e-subscribe@suse.com, post your original email again there, and you will get a straight answer. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@opensuse.org
-----Original Message----- From: William Biggs [mailto:kc8pdr@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:15 AM To: opensuse@opensuse.org Subject: [opensuse] error
I get this error evertime I boot up. How can I get this to do it buy it self ? /usr/sbin/rcpowersaved start
# chkconfig powersaved --add # chkconfig powersaved on --level 3,5 to verify: # chkconfig --list powersaved --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@opensuse.org
On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 10:56:48AM -0700, Alain Black wrote:
From: William Biggs [mailto:kc8pdr@gmail.com]
I get this error evertime I boot up. How can I get this to do it buy it self ? /usr/sbin/rcpowersaved start
# chkconfig powersaved --add # chkconfig powersaved on --level 3,5
to verify: # chkconfig --list powersaved
to turn it on: # chkconfig powersaved on to verify: # chkconfig powersaved "--add" and "--list" are just redhat compatibility options. Cheers, Michael. -- Michael Schroeder mls@suse.de main(_){while(_=~getchar())putchar(~_-1/(~(_|32)/13*2-11)*13);} --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@opensuse.org
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