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Thomas Bishop

13 Oct 2001 13 Oct '01

02:09

Hello, I've seen a couple of references to this card lately, so I thought I'd seek some help. I cannot get it to work...and I have tried what is suggested in the SuSEdb. Will it work? Has anyone achieved success with this card? Trying to get my kids hooked on Linux (SuSE) through the use of BzFlag (they love it) ;-) Thanks, Tom -- TRBishop tb64710@alltel.net SuSE 7.2 Pro

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Jon Pennington

13 Oct 13 Oct

02:57

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I cannot get it to work...and I have tried what is suggested in the SuSEdb. Will it work? Has anyone achieved success with this card?

Isn't the Xpert 128 actually a RageXL (Mach64) variant instead of a Rage128? If memory serves (which it almost never does), this is the case. If it's not a true Rage128, DRI will not run. Just a random question...is this an integrated device or removable? If it's removable, have you considered picking up a Voodoo3 to replace it? They're dirt cheap these days and are a breeze to configure. ===== -- -=|JP|=- Hit me! - http://www.xanga.com/cowboydren/ Jon Pennington | Debian 2.3 -o) cowboydren @ yahoo . com | Auto Enthusiast /\\ Kansas City, MO, USA | ICQ UIN 69 67 29 31 _\_V __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com

Thomas Bishop

03:11

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On Friday 12 October 2001 09:57 pm, Jon Pennington wrote:

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--- Thomas Bishop wrote:

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I cannot get it to work...and I have tried what is suggested in the SuSEdb. Will it work? Has anyone achieved success with this card?

Isn't the Xpert 128 actually a RageXL (Mach64) variant instead of a Rage128? If memory serves (which it almost never does), this is the case. If it's not a true Rage128, DRI will not run. Just a random question...is this an integrated device or removable? If it's removable, have you considered picking up a Voodoo3 to replace it? They're dirt cheap these days and are a breeze to configure.

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Hi Jon, BTW, a belated welcome back! Well, according to what I could find, it *should* use the r128 driver. It is removable. I don't know what I was thinking. I have two other ATI's that are great, but I forgot that this one is on the edge. Unfortunately, I've blown my graphics card budget for this month. ;-) Maybe next month I'll do that VooDoo that you do! Thanks, Tom -- TRBishop tb64710@alltel.net SuSE 7.2 Pro

Jon Pennington

03:33

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Hi Jon, BTW, a belated welcome back!

Thank you, and to the others that replied. :)

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Well, according to what I could find, it *should* use the r128 driver.

Let's find out. What does `lspci -vv' say? This is "very verbose" mode, and can get quite wordy; it may not wrap well in email. If you *could* it would *rock* if you did `lspci -vv > pci-listing.txt' and posted that on a web server somewhere, providing us mere mortal list members to read it as lspci intended it to be read. :)

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Unfortunately, I've blown my graphics card budget for this month. ;-) Maybe next month I'll do that VooDoo that you do!

I know exactly how that goes. :) AFAIK, the V3 is *still* hands-down the easiest somewhat modern 3D card to configure with XFree86 4. I have a Banshee/AGP, a V3-2k/AGP and a V3-3k/AGP that all work marvelously in all operational modes, with little- to no-fuss configuring. If you want to keep it easy, avoid the new Radeons and avoid the ATI RageMaxx (dual-processor Rage128) cards; there are lots of problems with lots of configurations with these devices. ===== -- -=|JP|=- Hit me! - http://www.xanga.com/cowboydren/ Jon Pennington | Debian 2.3 -o) cowboydren @ yahoo . com | Auto Enthusiast /\\ Kansas City, MO, USA | ICQ UIN 69 67 29 31 _\_V __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com

Thomas Bishop

03:45

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On Friday 12 October 2001 10:33 pm, Jon Pennington wrote:

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--- Thomas Bishop wrote:

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Hi Jon, BTW, a belated welcome back!

Thank you, and to the others that replied. :)

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Well, according to what I could find, it *should* use the r128 driver.

Let's find out. What does `lspci -vv' say? This is "very verbose" mode, and can get quite wordy; it may not wrap well in email. If you *could* it would *rock* if you did `lspci -vv > pci-listing.txt' and posted that on a web server somewhere, providing us mere mortal list members to read it as lspci intended it to be read. :)

Sorry, I've already yanked it out. However, I'm at the moment loading Mandrake 8.0 on my test machine with the offensive card in it. So let's see in a while what happens.

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Unfortunately, I've blown my graphics card budget for this month. ;-) Maybe next month I'll do that VooDoo that you do!

I know exactly how that goes. :) AFAIK, the V3 is *still* hands-down the easiest somewhat modern 3D card to configure with XFree86 4. I have a Banshee/AGP, a V3-2k/AGP and a V3-3k/AGP that all work marvelously in all operational modes, with little- to no-fuss configuring. If you want to keep it easy, avoid the new Radeons and avoid the ATI RageMaxx (dual-processor Rage128) cards; there are lots of problems with lots of configurations with these devices.

Thanks for the info. Tom -- TRBishop tb64710@alltel.net SuSE 7.2 Pro

Alex

13:24

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Depend when he got it The original Xpert 128 use Rage 128 GL but for some reason one i got a few weeks back feature Rage 128 Pro chip (at least that's what printed on it) But old magnums (ATI Rage Fury etc.. work okay from what heard but these few a Rage 128 with out any fancy modification). Alex Jon Pennington wrote:

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--- Thomas Bishop wrote:

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I cannot get it to work...and I have tried what is suggested in the SuSEdb. Will it work? Has anyone achieved success with this card?

Isn't the Xpert 128 actually a RageXL (Mach64) variant instead of a Rage128? If memory serves (which it almost never does), this is the case. If it's not a true Rage128, DRI will not run. Just a random question...is this an integrated device or removable? If it's removable, have you considered picking up a Voodoo3 to replace it? They're dirt cheap these days and are a breeze to configure.

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Nick Zentena

13:53

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On October 13, 2001 09:24 am, Alex wrote:

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Depend when he got it The original Xpert 128 use Rage 128 GL but for some reason one i got a few weeks back feature Rage 128 Pro chip (at least that's what printed on it) But old magnums (ATI Rage Fury etc.. work okay from what heard but these few a Rage 128 with out any fancy modification).

Ati has a long history of changing [upgrading if you want] the chips on thier boards. No big deal under windows since they ship drivers for the cards. My orginal Rage Fury works just fine and likely won't be replaced until I get a much bigger monitor. Nick

Alex

03:01

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I am in the same boat. If do not manage get it working via sax 2 -m 0=ati just do like me and give up until X version does support it. These card use to work under SuSe 6.3 but not anymore. Alex Thomas Bishop wrote:

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Hello, I've seen a couple of references to this card lately, so I thought I'd seek some help. I cannot get it to work...and I have tried what is suggested in the SuSEdb. Will it work? Has anyone achieved success with this card? Trying to get my kids hooked on Linux (SuSE) through the use of BzFlag (they love it) ;-) Thanks, Tom -- TRBishop tb64710@alltel.net SuSE 7.2 Pro

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Thomas Bishop

03:04

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On Friday 12 October 2001 10:01 pm, Alex wrote:

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I am in the same boat. If do not manage get it working via sax 2 -m 0=ati just do like me and give up until X version does support it. These card use to work under SuSe 6.3 but not anymore.

Alex

Well, I kinda have...I stuck it in an old Win98 box, but it won't work there either (I think that machine doesn't have enough RAM, but I don't care) BTW, I tried -m 0=ati and -m 0=r128...nada. Thanks, Tom -- TRBishop tb64710@alltel.net SuSE 7.2 Pro

Alex

13:26

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From what i have read these card only work in P166 MMX and up. Just check support.ati.com if think i blowing smoke.

Alex Thomas Bishop wrote:

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On Friday 12 October 2001 10:01 pm, Alex wrote:

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I am in the same boat. If do not manage get it working via sax 2 -m 0=ati just do like me and give up until X version does support it. These card use to work under SuSe 6.3 but not anymore.

Alex

Well, I kinda have...I stuck it in an old Win98 box, but it won't work there either (I think that machine doesn't have enough RAM, but I don't care) BTW, I tried -m 0=ati and -m 0=r128...nada. Thanks, Tom -- TRBishop tb64710@alltel.net SuSE 7.2 Pro

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Nick Zentena

13:55

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On October 13, 2001 09:26 am, Alex wrote:

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On Friday 12 October 2001 10:01 pm, Alex wrote:

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I am in the same boat. If do not manage get it working via sax 2 -m 0=ati

I've screwed up the quoting so I con't know who is asking. Other then I don't think it's Alex. I don't think ati would be the right option. Under X4.xx ati is the older ATI cards. I think r128 Might be the right option. If you want I'll post my config file but you'll need to check and make sure it's right for you. I'm running a Rage fury 32Meg Nick

Thomas Bishop

19:02

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On Saturday 13 October 2001 08:55 am, Nick Zentena wrote:

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On October 13, 2001 09:26 am, Alex wrote:

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On Friday 12 October 2001 10:01 pm, Alex wrote:

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I am in the same boat. If do not manage get it working via sax 2 -m 0=ati

I've screwed up the quoting so I con't know who is asking. Other then I don't think it's Alex. I don't think ati would be the right option. Under X4.xx ati is the older ATI cards. I think

r128

Might be the right option.

If you want I'll post my config file but you'll need to check and make sure it's right for you. I'm running a Rage fury 32Meg

Nick

Hello, I was the original poster. What I have, is a just purchased , Xpert 128 PCI 16MB card. I have tried the r128 driver, which sax2 wants to use with the XF_SVGA server....which I gather, is as it's supposed to be.....from reading info at XFree.org. However, I have seen no specific reference to PCI versions, only AGP. I don't know if this is significant or not. I also use a 3D Rage Pro and an Xpert 98 in other machines (w/Linux) and they work OK with the Mach64 server. The Xpert 98 however, can't use any 3D...pity. Anyway, the Xpert 128 does not function for me...and I gather for others either....even though it is supposedly supported by v4.03. I *would* appreciate your config file, to see what's what. Thanks a lot! Tom -- TRBishop tb64710@alltel.net SuSE 7.2 Pro

Nick Zentena

14 Oct 14 Oct

12:15

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On October 13, 2001 03:02 pm, Thomas Bishop wrote:

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Hello, I was the original poster. What I have, is a just purchased , Xpert 128 PCI 16MB card. I have tried the r128 driver, which sax2 wants to use with the XF_SVGA server....which I gather, is as it's supposed to be.....from

Did you try letting xf86config do the setup instead of Sax2? When I first went to Xfree 4.0 Sax hadn't been updated to handle 4.x yet. xf86config isn't pretty but it got things working fine. Maybe let it try the intial setup and if that works then let Sax2 fine tune it. I think with 4.x you call it with the -configure command.

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*would* appreciate your config file, to see what's what. Thanks a lot! Tom

Here's mine. Edit it to suit. The card stuff is near the end. It does seem to add the AGP to the end of the card name. #--------# # # Created on: 2001-06-16. # # Version: 4.3 # Contact: Marcus Schaefer , 2001 # # Automatically generated by SaX2 (4.3) # PLEASE DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE! # Section "Files" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/local" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/URW" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/PEX" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/latin2/misc" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/latin2/75dpi" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/latin2/100dpi" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/latin2/Type1" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/latin7/75dpi" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/kwintv" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/truetype" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/uni" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/ucs/misc" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/ucs/75dpi" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/ucs/100dpi" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/hellas/misc" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/hellas/75dpi" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/hellas/100dpi" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/hellas/Type1" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/xtest" ModulePath "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules" RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" EndSection Section "ServerFlags" EndSection Section "Module" Load "type1" Load "speedo" Load "extmod" Load "freetype" Load "dri" Load "glx" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Driver "keyboard" Identifier "Keyboard[0]" Option "Protocol" "Standard" Option "XkbLayout" "us" Option "XkbModel" "omnikey101" Option "XkbRules" "xfree86" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Driver "mouse" Identifier "Mouse[1]" Option "Device" "/dev/pointer0" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "on" Option "Emulate3Timeout" "50" Option "InputFashion" "Mouse" Option "Name" "Autodetection" Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" Option "Vendor" "Sysp" EndSection Section "Monitor" HorizSync 30-95 Identifier "Monitor[0]" ModelName "E790" VendorName "VIEWSONIC" VertRefresh 50-200 UseModes "Modes[0]" EndSection Section "Modes" Identifier "Modes[0]" Modeline "1280x1024" 133.88 1280 1304 1456 1648 1024 1025 1037 1078 Modeline "1280x960" 142.25 1280 1320 1464 1736 960 980 993 1040 Modeline "1152x864" 88.01 1152 1184 1368 1520 864 881 890 935 Modeline "1152x864" 101.56 1152 1200 1368 1520 864 881 891 935 Modeline "1024x768" 64.11 1024 1064 1248 1360 768 783 790 829 Modeline "1024x768" 69.45 1024 1032 1208 1360 768 783 791 829 Modeline "1024x768" 71.59 1024 1032 1208 1360 768 783 791 829 Modeline "1024x768" 74.79 1024 1040 1208 1360 768 783 791 829 Modeline "1024x768" 80.13 1024 1048 1208 1360 768 783 792 829 Modeline "1024x768" 82.27 1024 1048 1208 1360 768 783 792 829 Modeline "1024x768" 90.82 1024 1056 1208 1360 768 783 793 829 Modeline "1024x768" 92.96 1024 1056 1208 1360 768 783 793 829 Modeline "800x600" 39.22 800 808 960 1040 600 612 617 648 Modeline "800x600" 40.53 800 816 968 1040 600 612 618 648 Modeline "800x600" 42.49 800 816 968 1040 600 612 618 648 Modeline "800x600" 47.07 800 824 968 1040 600 612 619 648 Modeline "800x600" 49.03 800 824 968 1040 600 612 619 648 Modeline "800x600" 55.56 800 832 968 1040 600 612 620 648 Modeline "640x480" 25.10 640 656 752 832 480 490 494 522 Modeline "640x480" 25.18 640 664 760 800 480 491 493 525 Modeline "640x480" 25.94 640 656 760 832 480 490 494 522 Modeline "640x480" 27.19 640 664 768 832 480 490 495 522 Modeline "640x480" 28.03 640 664 776 832 480 490 495 522 Modeline "640x480" 30.12 640 664 784 832 480 490 495 522 Modeline "640x480" 31.38 640 664 784 832 480 490 495 522 Modeline "640x480" 35.56 640 648 760 832 480 490 496 522 EndSection Section "Screen" DefaultDepth 16 SubSection "Display" Depth 15 Modes "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "1024x768" "800x600" "800x600" "64$ EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "1024x768" "800x600" "800x600" "64$ EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "1024x768" "800x600" "800x600" "64$ EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 32 Modes "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "1024x768" "800x600" "800x600" "64$ EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 8 Modes "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "1024x768" "800x600" "800x600" "64$ EndSubSection Device "Device[0]" Identifier "Screen[0]" Monitor "Monitor[0]" EndSection Section "Device" BoardName "Rage128GLAGP2x" BusID "1:0:0" Driver "r128" Identifier "Device[0]" Screen 0 VendorName "ATI" EndSection Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "Layout[all]" InputDevice "Keyboard[0]" "CoreKeyboard" InputDevice "Mouse[1]" "CorePointer" Option "Clone" "off" Option "Xinerama" "off" Screen "Screen[0]" EndSection Section "DRI" Group "video" Mode 0660 EndSection

Thomas Bishop

17:59

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On Sunday 14 October 2001 07:15 am, Nick Zentena wrote:

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On October 13, 2001 03:02 pm, Thomas Bishop wrote:

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Hello, I was the original poster. What I have, is a just purchased , Xpert 128 PCI 16MB card. I have tried the r128 driver, which sax2 wants to use with the XF_SVGA server....which I gather, is as it's supposed to be.....from

Did you try letting xf86config do the setup instead of Sax2? When I first went to Xfree 4.0 Sax hadn't been updated to handle 4.x yet. xf86config isn't pretty but it got things working fine. Maybe let it try the intial setup and if that works then let Sax2 fine tune it. I think with 4.x you call it with the -configure command.

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*would* appreciate your config file, to see what's what. Thanks a lot! Tom

Here's mine. Edit it to suit. The card stuff is near the end. It does seem to add the AGP to the end of the card name.

Thanks, Nick, much appreciated. Tom -- TRBishop tb64710@alltel.net SuSE 7.2 Pro

Donald Knecht

13 Oct 13 Oct

03:25

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have you checked the LiVid site? http://linuxvideo.org don On Friday 12 October 2001 23:01, Alex wrote:

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I am in the same boat. If do not manage get it working via sax 2 -m 0=ati just do like me and give up until X version does support it. These card use to work under SuSe 6.3 but not anymore.

Alex

Thomas Bishop wrote:

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Hello, I've seen a couple of references to this card lately, so I thought I'd seek some help. I cannot get it to work...and I have tried what is suggested in the SuSEdb. Will it work? Has anyone achieved success with this card? Trying to get my kids hooked on Linux (SuSE) through the use of BzFlag (they love it) ;-) Thanks, Tom -- TRBishop tb64710@alltel.net SuSE 7.2 Pro

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Thomas Bishop

03:14

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On Friday 12 October 2001 10:25 pm, Donald Knecht wrote:

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have you checked the LiVid site?

http://linuxvideo.org

don

No, but thanks, I will. Tom -- TRBishop tb64710@alltel.net SuSE 7.2 Pro

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