[opensuse] Libreofficewriter problems printing embedded inage.
This may be a printer problem, but then again not. I took a screensnhot to png, but later converted to jpg with no better result. I tried embedding said image in a document. I've also tried converting the image to greyscale only. When I print, the image doesn't come out. I believe the printer and driver can print images for a number of reasons. I can print a page from a PDF document that has images on it. I admit the graphical parts don't come out as well as the text part of the image. I've also printed web pages such as recipes/yummily that have images and they come out. This is a brother HL-517DN and I seem to have a PDF style driver installed. That seems the new norm. However I've gone through all the possible settings that make sense (aka not the '2-up' or rotations) without much joy. I'm not sure this is a good thing, to be honest but that seems to be the new norm. Please, experience should trump theory. I know the theory. Telling me that over again isn't going to help. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
there is an option in the print dialog about printing images, is that ticked correctly? jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 18/10/17 03:34 AM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
there is an option in the print dialog about printing images, is that ticked correctly?
Do you mean "Pictures and graphical objects", which is only in the LO print dialogue, not the PDF dialogue Yes. I told you I worked though all the reasonable settings. And before you ask yes, I tried both colour and grerayscale, in the LO and the PDF, 24bit and 8bit. No I didn't try different paper trays, rotated, or, since it was a single sheet, reverse collation. I did say that I tried the reasonable combinations. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 18/10/2017 à 10:56, Anton Aylward a écrit :
On 18/10/17 03:34 AM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
there is an option in the print dialog about printing images, is that ticked correctly?
Do you mean "Pictures and graphical objects", which is only in the LO print dialogue, not the PDF dialogue
yes
Yes. I told you I worked though all the reasonable settings.
wich mean nothing, given you can very well have missed something, and so do not know it exist :-( (not to say it's the case) if you are sure you tested all, the only remain is bugzilla (lo one) jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 18/10/17 05:41 AM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
if you are sure you tested all, the only remain is bugzilla (lo one)
I told you I tested all, not just from LO but from trying to print the exported PDF (which looks fine on the screen) using a couple of different PDF tools and those have a quite different print dialogue from that of LO. I don't think this a bug and what I have isn't wolf-fenced enough yet, which is why I'm asking questions here. If I was on phone support and had a call from someone with only the information I have right know I'd demand more or give up. I have a memory that it used to be the case that UNIX and hence Linux used Postscript as a printer interface protocol, and one of the reasons that I bought the Brother HL-5170DN was that it could handle Postscript directly. I also have a memory that for some reason I don't recall or comprehend, Linux gave up on this and switched to PDF. The Brother HL-5170DN can also handle HP's printer protocol and the Epson protocol. Back when, and sorry I can't tie down a boundary date, the driver gave me all three options, PS, HP and Epson. I _think_ it was when I switched to 42.1 or 42.2 that I was forced to use PDF. The printer seems to take PDF and does text OK, but not images. Now is this a PPD problem? If it is then I might bug-report, but I think I'll get a NOTABUG response. I think the loss of the other options in the driver/PPD-whatever is a bug, but I've seen too many steps where developers remove features on other programs, utilities, that we've relied on. Yes, this too has been much discussed her. Why ever did we change from PS to PDF? If I declare that to be the bug the gung-ho developers will NOTABUG me. How do I override the PPD? -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 18/10/2017 à 12:30, Anton Aylward a écrit :
How do I override the PPD?
ppd are just text files, create one... I know such situations are frustrating, but keeping saying "I did all" can't give a good result, if you know all, why do you ask? there is obviously something missed somewhere the first message on the subject I found is this https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2017-10/msg00214.html it looks like it's a followup from some other thread I may have missed jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-10-18 12:30, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 18/10/17 05:41 AM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
if you are sure you tested all, the only remain is bugzilla (lo one)
I told you I tested all, not just from LO but from trying to print the exported PDF (which looks fine on the screen) using a couple of different PDF tools and those have a quite different print dialogue from that of LO.
I don't think this a bug and what I have isn't wolf-fenced enough yet, which is why I'm asking questions here. If I was on phone support and had a call from someone with only the information I have right know I'd demand more or give up.
I have a memory that it used to be the case that UNIX and hence Linux used Postscript as a printer interface protocol, and one of the reasons that I bought the Brother HL-5170DN was that it could handle Postscript directly. I also have a memory that for some reason I don't recall or comprehend, Linux gave up on this and switched to PDF.
Yes.
The Brother HL-5170DN can also handle HP's printer protocol and the Epson protocol. Back when, and sorry I can't tie down a boundary date, the driver gave me all three options, PS, HP and Epson. I _think_ it was when I switched to 42.1 or 42.2 that I was forced to use PDF. The printer seems to take PDF and does text OK, but not images.
You probably still have the other two drivers in Linux with another name, so install them and try. I do with my printer. Are the images you try to print big? Try wit a small photo, two centimetres or less. If they print, it may be a memory issue. Some big photos do not print with my printer in ps, I have to use another driver. Reason is that ps is a language: the printer RAM has to hold both the ps page and the raster image it generates.
Why ever did we change from PS to PDF? If I declare that to be the bug the gung-ho developers will NOTABUG me.
It was upstream. No, I don't understand the reason, as there are millions of native ps printers out there. In Libre Office, printer settings, Properties button, Device tab, Printer language button, you can choose postscript or PDF. I have ps. But I don't know if this means it will be then converted to pdf, and then back to ps because the printer needs ps.
How do I override the PPD?
You write another. No, I don't know how to do that either. Somewhere in the cups config it lists which one is in use. Search "/etc/cups". ppd subdirectory holds them. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 18/10/17 09:33 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
You probably still have the other two drivers in Linux with another name, so install them and try. I do with my printer.
Clue please.
Are the images you try to print big?
No.
In Libre Office, printer settings, Properties button, Device tab, Printer language button, you can choose postscript or PDF.
Ok. That and Script for the printer .... YAH! Image. Still degraded, but an image! Thank you.
How do I override the PPD? You write another.
No, I don't know how to do that either.
Bummer. Something to investigate tomorrow or Sunday. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 18/10/2017 à 16:20, Anton Aylward a écrit :
YAH! Image. Still degraded, but an image!
did you try to print the printer diagnostic page (if possible from the printer itself)? Could the memory of the printer have degraded??? (I never seen this but why not?) jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Oct 18, 2017, at 11:08:52, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 18/10/2017 à 16:20, Anton Aylward a écrit :
YAH! Image. Still degraded, but an image!
did you try to print the printer diagnostic page (if possible from the printer itself)? Could the memory of the printer have degraded??? (I never seen this but why not?)
One thing to keep in mind is that screen snapshots are at a lower resolution than what printers need for high quality output. So that is probably why the printed image is degraded. Trust me on this, I know for seven years of experience at the AMS doing math typesetting. We got all kinds of crazy graphics files from authors.N�����r��y隊Z)z{.�ﮞ˛���m�)z{.��+�: �{Zr�az�'z��j)h���Ǿ� ޮ�^�ˬz��
On 2017-10-18 16:20, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 18/10/17 09:33 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
You probably still have the other two drivers in Linux with another name, so install them and try. I do with my printer.
Clue please.
I would have to try install in yast your printer to see them. You typically see one that is "preferred", but there are usually more. In fact, I don't see your printer in the list: it starts with HL-1230... Ah, yes, found them. There are 10 HL-517 DN: you have to search for the string "Brother hl-517" in YaST "add new printer Configuration" dialog. Try them all. Just install them all with a slightly different name that allows you to remember what driver each one uses. After you installed them all, try them all with the same PDF page. Or the test printer button in yast. YaST, not CUPS setup. I insist. :-)
In Libre Office, printer settings, Properties button, Device tab, Printer language button, you can choose postscript or PDF.
Ok. That and Script for the printer ....
YAH! Image. Still degraded, but an image!
Thank you.
Well, some progress.
How do I override the PPD? You write another.
No, I don't know how to do that either.
Bummer. Something to investigate tomorrow or Sunday.
I don't think there is much hope in that route, though. Modifying one ppd to change something wrong is one thing, but writing one is totally different. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
Le 19/10/2017 à 02:25, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
YaST, not CUPS setup. I insist. :-)
AFAIK cups setup uses the same ppd and is much faster
I don't think there is much hope in that route, though. Modifying one ppd to change something wrong is one thing, but writing one is totally different.
it's precisely fixing something wrong that is necessary :-) jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 19/10/17 03:37 AM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 19/10/2017 à 02:25, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
YaST, not CUPS setup. I insist. :-)
AFAIK cups setup uses the same ppd and is much faster
That may well be so. Certainly it gets you closer in. I'd prefer CLI and the file system, really closer in!
I don't think there is much hope in that route, though. Modifying one ppd to change something wrong is one thing, but writing one is totally different.
it's precisely fixing something wrong that is necessary :-)
There are just to many assumptions hidden in that approach I can't believe you're not seeing them! The PPD is referred to towards the end of the print chain. This is after the print subsystem has done all it pizzing and buqqering around with guttenprint and PDF-ifications.. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 19/10/17 13:34, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 19/10/17 03:37 AM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 19/10/2017 à 02:25, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
YaST, not CUPS setup. I insist. :-)
AFAIK cups setup uses the same ppd and is much faster
That may well be so. Certainly it gets you closer in. I'd prefer CLI and the file system, really closer in!
I don't think there is much hope in that route, though. Modifying one ppd to change something wrong is one thing, but writing one is totally different.
it's precisely fixing something wrong that is necessary :-)
There are just to many assumptions hidden in that approach I can't believe you're not seeing them!
Including the assumption that the problem is the printer!
The PPD is referred to towards the end of the print chain. This is after the print subsystem has done all it pizzing and buqqering around with guttenprint and PDF-ifications..
And after LO Writer has also done its buggering about with the image ... In fact, this seems to be a clear constant - if Writer is involved, the image is messed up. If it isn't, the image is fine. Surely this is pointing the finger at Writer? And before you say "Writer doesn't mess with the image", it sure does! Are the import filters correct? (They were re-written "recently" to fix SVG problems - has that messed something up?) Is LO configured to print it at 50% density, or something like that? No, none of this *ought* to be happening, but it doesn't mean it isn't! Cheers, Wol -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-10-23 20:48, Wols Lists wrote:
On 19/10/17 13:34, Anton Aylward wrote:
And after LO Writer has also done its buggering about with the image ...
In fact, this seems to be a clear constant - if Writer is involved, the image is messed up. If it isn't, the image is fine. Surely this is pointing the finger at Writer?
And before you say "Writer doesn't mess with the image", it sure does! Are the import filters correct? (They were re-written "recently" to fix SVG problems - has that messed something up?) Is LO configured to print it at 50% density, or something like that?
No, none of this *ought* to be happening, but it doesn't mean it isn't!
I understand he said he also could not print from PDF file. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 23/10/17 22:18, Carlos E. R. wrote:
And before you say "Writer doesn't mess with the image", it sure does! Are the import filters correct? (They were re-written "recently" to fix SVG problems - has that messed something up?) Is LO configured to print it at 50% density, or something like that?
No, none of this*ought* to be happening, but it doesn't mean it isn't! I understand he said he also could not print from PDF file.
I thought he said Writer had produced the PDF. What happens if he uses GIMP, let's say, to create a PDF, will that print okay? Cheers, Wol -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-10-24 18:43, Anthony Youngman wrote:
On 23/10/17 22:18, Carlos E. R. wrote:
And before you say "Writer doesn't mess with the image", it sure does! Are the import filters correct? (They were re-written "recently" to fix SVG problems - has that messed something up?) Is LO configured to print it at 50% density, or something like that?
No, none of this*ought* to be happening, but it doesn't mean it isn't! I understand he said he also could not print from PDF file.
I thought he said Writer had produced the PDF.
What happens if he uses GIMP, let's say, to create a PDF, will that print okay?
That's a good question. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 24/10/17 12:43 PM, Anthony Youngman wrote:
I thought he said Writer had produced the PDF.
What happens if he uses GIMP, let's say, to create a PDF, will that print okay?
I believe I've already mentioned this but I'll make it quite clear. I printed the cover page of a PDF E-book and it printerd OK. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2017-10-27 at 17:02 -0400, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 24/10/17 12:43 PM, Anthony Youngman wrote:
I thought he said Writer had produced the PDF.
What happens if he uses GIMP, let's say, to create a PDF, will that print okay?
I believe I've already mentioned this but I'll make it quite clear. I printed the cover page of a PDF E-book and it printerd OK.
So it is only pages generated by Libre Office that fail? Try printing to ps file, then clean it: ps2ps p.ps p2.ps and print the resulting file. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlnzoKYACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UHPQCcCjEO9VYUaQWt2sm2gcQ8CcqI EeMAn3n1ZUxXPTiNeTqs7w2xnLTU9CgW =1PMy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 27/10/2017 à 23:02, Anton Aylward a écrit :
I believe I've already mentioned this but I'll make it quite clear. I printed the cover page of a PDF E-book and it printerd OK.
but was this page generated on your computer? can you share a pdf that fails (do not say "it's easy to build yourself", when we do we can print) jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-10-19 09:37, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 19/10/2017 à 02:25, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
YaST, not CUPS setup. I insist. :-)
AFAIK cups setup uses the same ppd and is much faster
But it doesn't know openSUSE insides.
I don't think there is much hope in that route, though. Modifying one ppd to change something wrong is one thing, but writing one is totally different.
it's precisely fixing something wrong that is necessary :-)
If you know what exactly is wrong and how to repair it. Start with "graphics do not print". -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 18/10/17 08:25 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Ah, yes, found them. There are 10 HL-517 DN: you have to search for the string "Brother hl-517" in YaST "add new printer Configuration" dialog.
Try them all. Just install them all with a slightly different name that allows you to remember what driver each one uses. After you installed them all, try them all with the same PDF page. Or the test printer button in yast.
YaST, not CUPS setup. I insist.
I have no particular liking for Yast when it obscures what's going on. I run 'find' and see very few PPDs in /usr/share that pertain to Brother. And what i do see, and what I see when i pull up, as you suggest, they Yast means of doing printer installation, seems to frighten me off. It all seems involved in using guttenprint to convert the files to PDF for the print chain. Whihc gets back to my question about the conversion of the Linux printer standard from PS to PDF. It seems to me that there is a 'because its there' syndrome here, that guttenrint could convert to PDF, so Yah, lets make PDF the standard. maybe the processing load of rendering a PDF is less than the processing load of a postscript. I don't know how that compares to HP printer language or Epson. But with today's printers, we are dealing with printers that readily digest those printer languages. My printer has more memory that the laptop under my desk with the broken screen that is my SQL server. It has as many interfaces as my PC. The only reason it doesn't have Wifi is that it was an option at the time, rather that the built-in standard it is for printers now, and I saw no need. I've use it in printer cable, USB and network modes at various times. It's a wonderful printer. Twice now, it has said that the the drum needs replacing and twice I've reset it and it still prints solid. I do have a spare drum for the "if-and-when". Until this change in the way the print chain operates, forcing files to PDF along the way, it was giving wonderful renditions. To and fro with PDF is degrading. There are other issues with self-editing your PPDs. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Op donderdag 19 oktober 2017 14:34:19 CEST schreef Anton Aylward:
On 18/10/17 08:25 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Ah, yes, found them. There are 10 HL-517 DN: you have to search for the string "Brother hl-517" in YaST "add new printer Configuration" dialog.
Try them all. Just install them all with a slightly different name that allows you to remember what driver each one uses. After you installed them all, try them all with the same PDF page. Or the test printer button in yast.
YaST, not CUPS setup. I insist.
I have no particular liking for Yast when it obscures what's going on.
I run 'find' and see very few PPDs in /usr/share that pertain to Brother. And what i do see, and what I see when i pull up, as you suggest, they Yast means of doing printer installation, seems to frighten me off.
It all seems involved in using guttenprint to convert the files to PDF for the print chain.
Whihc gets back to my question about the conversion of the Linux printer standard from PS to PDF.
It seems to me that there is a 'because its there' syndrome here, that guttenrint could convert to PDF, so Yah, lets make PDF the standard. maybe the processing load of rendering a PDF is less than the processing load of a postscript. I don't know how that compares to HP printer language or Epson.
But with today's printers, we are dealing with printers that readily digest those printer languages. My printer has more memory that the laptop under my desk with the broken screen that is my SQL server. It has as many interfaces as my PC. The only reason it doesn't have Wifi is that it was an option at the time, rather that the built-in standard it is for printers now, and I saw no need. I've use it in printer cable, USB and network modes at various times. It's a wonderful printer. Twice now, it has said that the the drum needs replacing and twice I've reset it and it still prints solid. I do have a spare drum for the "if-and-when".
Until this change in the way the print chain operates, forcing files to PDF along the way, it was giving wonderful renditions. To and fro with PDF is degrading.
There are other issues with self-editing your PPDs.
> Q: Are you sure? > >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >> >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
About the drum: take it out, gently shake it a bit, and you'll see there's enough of the powder left...... -- Gertjan Lettink, a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 19/10/17 08:38 AM, Knurpht - Gertjan Lettink wrote:
About the drum: take it out, gently shake it a bit, and you'll see there's enough of the powder left......
Sure, and explain the justification for the change from PS as the printer standard interface, something we've had since the UNIX days, to the PDF as a standard. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 19/10/2017 à 14:45, Anton Aylward a écrit :
On 19/10/17 08:38 AM, Knurpht - Gertjan Lettink wrote:
About the drum: take it out, gently shake it a bit, and you'll see there's enough of the powder left......
Sure, and explain the justification for the change from PS as the printer standard interface, something we've had since the UNIX days, to the PDF as a standard.
? it's probably more because pdf become a document standard by itself, so no filtering at all is necessary for new printers pdf capable... but to go back to your problem. I just did: select a rectangle in googlemap in spectacle and save it as png import it in libreoffice dram save it as odt and pdf print the pdf in okular or acroread: print ok on my brother dcp-7055 B&W laser printer. libreoffice prints the file ok as well. same result with lpr -P DCP7055W pdftest.pdf in the pdf created by libreofice, the image is described as: 4 0 obj <> stream (followed by the image binary) jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 19/10/2017 à 15:24, jdd@dodin.org a écrit :
import it in libreoffice dram
sorry libreoffice writer jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 19/10/17 09:24 AM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 19/10/2017 à 14:45, Anton Aylward a écrit :
On 19/10/17 08:38 AM, Knurpht - Gertjan Lettink wrote:
About the drum: take it out, gently shake it a bit, and you'll see there's enough of the powder left......
Sure, and explain the justification for the change from PS as the printer standard interface, something we've had since the UNIX days, to the PDF as a standard.
?
it's probably more because pdf become a document standard by itself, so no filtering at all is necessary for new printers pdf capable...
but to go back to your problem.
I just did:
select a rectangle in googlemap in spectacle and save it as png
import it in libreoffice dram
save it as odt and pdf
print the pdf in okular or acroread: print ok on my brother dcp-7055 B&W laser printer. libreoffice prints the file ok as well.
same result with lpr -P DCP7055W pdftest.pdf
in the pdf created by libreofice, the image is described as:
4 0 obj <> stream (followed by the image binary)
All well and good, but how is CUPS configured for that printer? And is it a PDF printer? -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-10-19 15:24, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 19/10/2017 à 14:45, Anton Aylward a écrit :
On 19/10/17 08:38 AM, Knurpht - Gertjan Lettink wrote:
About the drum: take it out, gently shake it a bit, and you'll see there's enough of the powder left......
Sure, and explain the justification for the change from PS as the printer standard interface, something we've had since the UNIX days, to the PDF as a standard.
?
it's probably more because pdf become a document standard by itself, so no filtering at all is necessary for new printers pdf capable...
For printers that handle pdf natively, it is ok, but for those millions out there that handle ps natively, it is not. pdf derives from ps, so translation can be probably be done without losses.
but to go back to your problem.
I just did:
select a rectangle in googlemap in spectacle and save it as png
This step degrades the picture: screen resolution is lower than printer resolution. About raw printing in LO: In LO, choose print. A dialog appears that allows to choose which printer and some things more. At the top of the printer list it says "print to file...". Just use that. Notice that LO still prints a ps calculated for the configured default printer. Then press the "Properties" button. Select "Device" tab. There is a button "Printer language type". I have "Automatic: PostScript (level from driver)". I hit print. I get an error, I ignore it, choose destination file p.ps. Finally, I open the file with "gv" for verification. Finally, I print it: lpr -l p.ps Prints just fine. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 19/10/17 10:24 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
About raw printing in LO:
In LO, choose print. A dialog appears that allows to choose which printer and some things more. At the top of the printer list it says "print to file...". Just use that.
Check.
Notice that LO still prints a ps calculated for the configured default printer.
I have to override but set the device to PS3
Then press the "Properties" button. Select "Device" tab. There is a button "Printer language type". I have "Automatic: PostScript (level from driver)".
I hit print. I get an error, I ignore it, choose destination file p.ps. Finally, I open the file with "gv" for verification.
I don't get the error. The dialogue box to save the file insists on it being a PDF. buqqer I turn of the automatic extension and save as p.ps But CLI: File p.ps says its a PDF. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-10-19 17:00, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 19/10/17 10:24 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
About raw printing in LO:
In LO, choose print. A dialog appears that allows to choose which printer and some things more. At the top of the printer list it says "print to file...". Just use that.
Check.
Notice that LO still prints a ps calculated for the configured default printer.
I have to override but set the device to PS3
You have to get the default ("automatic") be "ps".
Then press the "Properties" button. Select "Device" tab. There is a button "Printer language type". I have "Automatic: PostScript (level from driver)".
I hit print. I get an error, I ignore it, choose destination file p.ps. Finally, I open the file with "gv" for verification.
I don't get the error. The dialogue box to save the file insists on it being a PDF. buqqer I turn of the automatic extension and save as p.ps
But CLI: File p.ps says its a PDF.
cer@Telcontar:~/Documents> file p.ps p.ps: PostScript document text conforming DSC level 3.0, Level 3 cer@Telcontar:~/Documents> Try LO/Tools/Options. In the dialog there is a line for "print" in the left column under "LibreOffice". There are settings for "Printer" or "Print to file". On print to file the default job format is PDF and I can not untick it. Almost everything is greyed, I don't know why. Yet, it prints ps. In "Printer" settings the standard job format is PDF is not ticked, so it is not ps. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 19/10/17 11:14 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Notice that LO still prints a ps calculated for the configured default printer. I have to override but set the device to PS3 You have to get the default ("automatic") be "ps".
You mean I have to install a PS printer. I've tried that and things got weird. I've tried that with 'socket' and "ipp" and ipps" My other working printers are 'socket'. I did get the text page to print with the configured PS pritner. It took about 15 minutes to render and came uot very thin and page, as if the printer ran out of ink. Which it had not Regular test page, PCL5e, printed good quality black and proper graphics both for the supplied and built in. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 19/10/2017 à 17:43, Anton Aylward a écrit :
My other working printers are 'socket'.
as is mine, the one that works the best
Regular test page, PCL5e, printed good quality black and proper graphics both for the supplied and built in.
ok an other solution: I had very good results with barebone ps driver (usually apple or HP ones). This works only on native PS printer (so not the one I have now), but yours seems capable jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 19/10/17 12:52 PM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
an other solution: I had very good results with barebone ps driver (usually apple or HP ones). This works only on native PS printer (so not the one I have now), but yours seems capable
How did you set that up? I've googled and found a few, mutually contradictory, methods described. Perhaps they were for a different, pre PDF obsessed, version of CUPS. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-10-20 02:22, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 19/10/17 12:52 PM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
an other solution: I had very good results with barebone ps driver (usually apple or HP ones). This works only on native PS printer (so not the one I have now), but yours seems capable
How did you set that up?
I've googled and found a few, mutually contradictory, methods described. Perhaps they were for a different, pre PDF obsessed, version of CUPS.
The basic idea is lie to cups and tell it you have something like an old hp laser printer. Laserjet was it? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 2017-10-20 05:05, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-10-20 02:22, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 19/10/17 12:52 PM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
an other solution: I had very good results with barebone ps driver (usually apple or HP ones). This works only on native PS printer (so not the one I have now), but yours seems capable
How did you set that up?
I've googled and found a few, mutually contradictory, methods described. Perhaps they were for a different, pre PDF obsessed, version of CUPS.
The basic idea is lie to cups and tell it you have something like an old hp laser printer. Laserjet was it?
It is 5:09 AM, and I was on my way to bed, but I thought: "Let's see how Anton is going on. Perhaps he has already tried YaST to install the remaining printer drivers. Let's power up the computer and find out." Nay. Man, use YaST! See you tomorrow. After you try YaST. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
Le 20/10/2017 à 02:22, Anton Aylward a écrit :
On 19/10/17 12:52 PM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
an other solution: I had very good results with barebone ps driver (usually apple or HP ones). This works only on native PS printer (so not the one I have now), but yours seems capable
How did you set that up?
I've googled and found a few, mutually contradictory, methods described. Perhaps they were for a different, pre PDF obsessed, version of CUPS.
as carlos said, only pretend your printer is an apple or hp printer, choose an old well known brand (hp 5M, for example) and go on this worked for a friend that had a big laser printer not know by openSUSE dd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
I notice you speak ov yast, cups, but not of the brother proprietary driver. Did you install it (somebody share the link in this thread)? jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-10-19 17:43, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 19/10/17 11:14 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Notice that LO still prints a ps calculated for the configured default printer. I have to override but set the device to PS3 You have to get the default ("automatic") be "ps".
You mean I have to install a PS printer.
No. I understood that your Brother printer is capable of printing postscript natively.
I've tried that and things got weird.
I've tried that with 'socket' and "ipp" and ipps" My other working printers are 'socket'.
I did get the text page to print with the configured PS pritner. It took about 15 minutes to render and came uot very thin and page, as if the printer ran out of ink. Which it had not
Regular test page, PCL5e, printed good quality black and proper graphics both for the supplied and built in.
Then install the PCL5e driver. It is one or several that YaST displays. Have you tried with YaST? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 19/10/17 01:36 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I have to override but set the device to PS3 You have to get the default ("automatic") be "ps".
You mean I have to install a PS printer. No.
I understood that your Brother printer is capable of printing postscript natively.
I mean what CUPS calls a "printer", not the physical printer itself. I thought that was apparent from context. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-10-20 02:18, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 19/10/17 01:36 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I have to override but set the device to PS3 You have to get the default ("automatic") be "ps".
You mean I have to install a PS printer. No.
I understood that your Brother printer is capable of printing postscript natively.
I mean what CUPS calls a "printer", not the physical printer itself. I thought that was apparent from context.
Nope :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
Le 19/10/2017 à 17:14, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
In the dialog there is a line for "print" in the left column under "LibreOffice". There are settings for "Printer" or "Print to file".
On print to file the default job format is PDF and I can not untick it. Almost everything is greyed, I don't know why.
yes, you can, but it's tricky set "printer" (not print to file) and untick "pdf", a message say that libreoffice have to be restarted. Do. Pdf is no more ticked and it prints normally (no visible difference) jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 19/10/17 12:35 PM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 19/10/2017 à 17:14, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
In the dialog there is a line for "print" in the left column under "LibreOffice". There are settings for "Printer" or "Print to file".
On print to file the default job format is PDF and I can not untick it. Almost everything is greyed, I don't know why.
yes, you can, but it's tricky
set "printer" (not print to file) and untick "pdf", a message say that libreoffice have to be restarted. Do. Pdf is no more ticked
OK, I do start lobreoffice writer menu: print I get a dialog box with tabs. There is not box about PDF on it. I step though all the tabs. Still not tab about PDF. Do this for my postscript driver and for my PCL5e drver. neither have such a box. The only mention of PDF is in a pulldown in the "device" tab under "Properties" in a dialog box labelled "Properties of the Brother PCL5e" Altering that to one of the postcript settings rather than PDF does not result in a message about restart. You are going to have to be more detailed. OBTW: this is ibreoffice-writer-5.3.5.2-18.9.4.x86_64
and it prints normally (no visible difference)
jdd
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Le 19/10/2017 à 18:52, Anton Aylward a écrit :
You are going to have to be more detailed.
it's a following of carlos post about config in tools/option/printing, not in the printer part. Not sure it solve your problem but I miss if you already installed the brother proprietary driver (command line) jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 19/10/17 12:59 PM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
but I miss if you already installed the brother proprietary driver (command line)
I think I have but I didn't do it from the command line. I used the CUPS web interface: http://locahost:631 OBTW, I'm running CUPS 2.2.3 -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-10-20 02:27, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 19/10/17 12:59 PM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
but I miss if you already installed the brother proprietary driver (command line)
I think I have but I didn't do it from the command line. I used the CUPS web interface: http://locahost:631
OBTW, I'm running CUPS 2.2.3
I have cups-1.7.5 ! What are you running, tumbleweed? Then you should be asking on the factory mail list >:-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 19/10/17 11:08 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-10-20 02:27, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 19/10/17 12:59 PM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
but I miss if you already installed the brother proprietary driver (command line)
I think I have but I didn't do it from the command line. I used the CUPS web interface: http://locahost:631
OBTW, I'm running CUPS 2.2.3
I have cups-1.7.5 !
What are you running, tumbleweed? Then you should be asking on the factory mail list >:-)
Technically, this is 41.2 but that is Information for package cups: ----------------------------- Repository : 422_Printing Name : cups Version : 2.2.3-216.1 Arch : x86_64 Vendor : obs://build.opensuse.org/Printing Installed Size : 9.9 MiB Installed : Yes Status : up-to-date Oh wait, I see there is an update, just let me zypper ... Ah, incoming ... cups-2.2.5-217.1.x86_64.rpm -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-10-20 15:01, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 19/10/17 11:08 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-10-20 02:27, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 19/10/17 12:59 PM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
but I miss if you already installed the brother proprietary driver (command line)
I think I have but I didn't do it from the command line. I used the CUPS web interface: http://locahost:631
OBTW, I'm running CUPS 2.2.3
I have cups-1.7.5 !
What are you running, tumbleweed? Then you should be asking on the factory mail list >:-)
Technically, this is 41.2 but that is Information for package cups: ----------------------------- Repository : 422_Printing Name : cups Version : 2.2.3-216.1 Arch : x86_64 Vendor : obs://build.opensuse.org/Printing Installed Size : 9.9 MiB Installed : Yes Status : up-to-date
Well, that might be your problem. Maybe you have to revert to the version in Leap. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 20/10/17 09:07 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Well, that might be your problem. Maybe you have to revert to the version in Leap.
Now you're applying Xen-like reasoning: it's too complicated, too advanced, therefore it must be broken/unusable. Sorry: I don't buy it. You're going to have to give me a reasoning. I agree that the way CUPS does its filtering is stupid: The text-to-PS script converts the test to PDF then does a PDF-to-PS. Why can't it use 'enscript'? Similar reasoning with image-to-PS. What? There's the Imagemagic program 'convert' that does a marvellous job. Then there's 'a2ps' which is a very nice way to pretty-print email. tTke a look at the other scripts in /usr/lib/cups/filter/ for your own pre-s2.2 version of CUPS and tell me if they are PDF-obsessed or not? https://engineering.purdue.edu/ECN/Support/KB/Docs/LPEnscript -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 20/10/2017 à 15:34, Anton Aylward a écrit :
Sorry: I don't buy it. You're going to have to give me a reasoning.
do you understand all what openSUSE is doing for you? I don't :-( so a step by step method have to be used to identify your problem, if it's a real problem that needs fixing and not a simple reasoning
I agree that the way CUPS does its filtering is stupid: The text-to-PS script converts the test to PDF then does a PDF-to-PS.
this have to be asked on gutenprint list... may be the reason is "lack of man power, we need the simplest way for any and all printers"?? do you know how it is possible to make by hand any step cups do? I did know that on the old lpr time, where I had to setup the filters myself, but do not anymore. But first, you should make a summary of what have been done up today, because the thread subject do not seems to fit anymore * can you print from libreoffice to pdf or ps file and see the file with ocular (with images)? I guess yes * can you then print these files to the printer and have the image printed? I understand the answer is no * can you print any other pdf with embedded image? If es what differs between the two pdfs? etc jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-10-20 15:34, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 20/10/17 09:07 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Well, that might be your problem. Maybe you have to revert to the version in Leap.
Now you're applying Xen-like reasoning: it's too complicated, too advanced, therefore it must be broken/unusable.
Sorry: I don't buy it. You're going to have to give me a reasoning.
Because the new version enforced PDF printing :-P -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 20/10/17 10:12 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-10-20 15:34, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 20/10/17 09:07 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Well, that might be your problem. Maybe you have to revert to the version in Leap.
Now you're applying Xen-like reasoning: it's too complicated, too advanced, therefore it must be broken/unusable.
Sorry: I don't buy it. You're going to have to give me a reasoning.
Because the new version enforced PDF printing :-P
For some value of "new". I'm not arguing with that assertion: however I'd like to know which version. No-one has told me that. So the version in the Leap 42.2 distribution (1.7.5) doesn't have the same PDF obsession? Can you verify that? -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-10-20 17:00, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 20/10/17 10:12 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-10-20 15:34, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 20/10/17 09:07 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Well, that might be your problem. Maybe you have to revert to the version in Leap.
Now you're applying Xen-like reasoning: it's too complicated, too advanced, therefore it must be broken/unusable.
Sorry: I don't buy it. You're going to have to give me a reasoning.
Because the new version enforced PDF printing :-P
For some value of "new". I'm not arguing with that assertion: however I'd like to know which version. No-one has told me that.
Then you do not read the openSUSE lists, as it has been mentioned. The maintainer did not want to upgrade I don't remember what release because of that change. And no, I do not remember what version that was, but maybe the changelog says. I'm not saying that the Leap version doesn't have that change, mind. But perhaps.
So the version in the Leap 42.2 distribution (1.7.5) doesn't have the same PDF obsession? Can you verify that?
You have seen that I have no problem telling LibreOffice to print to postscript file, and then sending that file raw to my printer. Have you installed the PCL driver already? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
Le 20/10/2017 à 02:27, Anton Aylward a écrit :
On 19/10/17 12:59 PM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
but I miss if you already installed the brother proprietary driver (command line)
I think I have but I didn't do it from the command line. I used the CUPS web interface: http://locahost:631
OBTW, I'm running CUPS 2.2.3
it may be the problem. I always use the brother proprietary driver, because it works very well and I had once problems with default openSUSE one it possible to simply install the ppd if you don't need the scanner (or is there is none) Brother provide individual rpm for it's apps or a bash script that download all by itself jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 20/10/17 03:51 AM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
OBTW, I'm running CUPS 2.2.3
it may be the problem. I always use the brother proprietary driver, because it works very well and I had once problems with default openSUSE one
if you mean the one I downloaded from the Brother web site, then yes that's what I've been using. It says "Postscript" in the file name but it is really brother's BRScrpt3. I guess that was a licensing issue. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Op donderdag 19 oktober 2017 14:45:09 CEST schreef Anton Aylward:
On 19/10/17 08:38 AM, Knurpht - Gertjan Lettink wrote:
About the drum: take it out, gently shake it a bit, and you'll see there's enough of the powder left......
Sure, and explain the justification for the change from PS as the printer standard interface, something we've had since the UNIX days, to the PDF as a standard.
> Q: Are you sure? > >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >> >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
I have no explanation here, Anton. Guess because I wasn't hit by this issue. Before my divorce I had access to one of these Brother devices, currently a Samsung Laser printer that needed adjustment/blacklisting in /etc/default/tlp but that won't help re. your issues. -- Gertjan Lettink, a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 19/10/17 10:03 AM, Knurpht - Gertjan Lettink wrote:
Op donderdag 19 oktober 2017 14:45:09 CEST schreef Anton Aylward>>
Sure, and explain the justification for the change from PS as the printer standard interface, something we've had since the UNIX days, to the PDF as a standard.
I have no explanation here, Anton. Guess because I wasn't hit by this issue. Before my divorce I had access to one of these Brother devices, currently a Samsung Laser printer that needed adjustment/blacklisting in /etc/default/tlp but that won't help re. your issues.
I'm currently battling CUPS with Guttenprint and Foomatic and trying to get it to be as 'raw' as possible, but the devil seems to be in the details. There definitely seems to be something wrong with these drivers since the printer does odd things but does not print the test pages sometimes the processing light never goes off; sometimes the error light comes on. Once nothing happened but the status came back saying the front maintenance door, the one you open to take out the ink cartridge and drum, was open. It wasn't. I wonder what anomalous code in the 'print test page' resulted in that rather than a page being printed? Currently "generic foomatic postscript' test page has taken 4 minutes of the flashing processing 'status' light with nothing to show. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 19/10/17 13:45, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 19/10/17 08:38 AM, Knurpht - Gertjan Lettink wrote:
About the drum: take it out, gently shake it a bit, and you'll see there's enough of the powder left......
Sure, and explain the justification for the change from PS as the printer standard interface, something we've had since the UNIX days, to the PDF as a standard.
Ask the printer manufacturers ... Bear in mind that Postscript is a DOCUMENT description language, while PDF is a PAGE description language. PDF requires much less working memory, and if something goes wrong it is also a lot easier to find the problem. Okay, printers nowadays have masses of RAM but I object to fixing problems by simply throwing resources at them (it's inefficient, and often doesn't work anyway!). Back in the days of Postscript printers, it was a very quick route to getting rejected off our company shortlist if it was PS-only. We'd bought a fancy printer/copier for £10K or so, and it regularly screwed up Postscript jobs - the only fix we ever found was to throw away the document and re-type it (or find a backup from before the problem). I didn't care what the alternative was, so long as it was some kind of text stream - PCL, ESC/P, whatever. Cheers, Wol -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-10-23 20:47, Wols Lists wrote:
On 19/10/17 13:45, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 19/10/17 08:38 AM, Knurpht - Gertjan Lettink wrote:
About the drum: take it out, gently shake it a bit, and you'll see there's enough of the powder left......
Sure, and explain the justification for the change from PS as the printer standard interface, something we've had since the UNIX days, to the PDF as a standard.
Ask the printer manufacturers ...
Bear in mind that Postscript is a DOCUMENT description language, while PDF is a PAGE description language. PDF requires much less working memory, and if something goes wrong it is also a lot easier to find the problem.
Oh. I understand that it is easy to translate between ps and pdf, they are related.
Okay, printers nowadays have masses of RAM but I object to fixing problems by simply throwing resources at them (it's inefficient, and often doesn't work anyway!). Back in the days of Postscript printers, it was a very quick route to getting rejected off our company shortlist if it was PS-only. We'd bought a fancy printer/copier for £10K or so, and it regularly screwed up Postscript jobs - the only fix we ever found was to throw away the document and re-type it (or find a backup from before the problem). I didn't care what the alternative was, so long as it was some kind of text stream - PCL, ESC/P, whatever.
Yes, I didn't know but I agree. My HP printer sometimes fails at a ps job and I have to resubmit as PCL, I think. I have three drivers, one for each language. Anton printer has ten possible drivers, so he has to try them all and choose the best. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 23/10/17 22:16, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Bear in mind that Postscript is a DOCUMENT description language, while PDF is a PAGE description language. PDF requires much less working memory, and if something goes wrong it is also a lot easier to find the problem. Oh.
I understand that it is easy to translate between ps and pdf, they are related.
Yes, they are very similar. But PS stores a lot of information at the document level, whereas in PDF that information is repeated for every page. You can cut a page out of a PDF and print it no problem. Do that for PS and it may work, or it may fail spectacularly - special stuff like fonts, stylesheets, etc etc is stored at the start of the PS document and gets lost if you try to cut a page. That said, my experience of writing a program to chuck documents out of a database said programming PS was *much* easier, if you didn't try to be clever ... Cheers, Wol -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-10-24 18:40, Anthony Youngman wrote:
On 23/10/17 22:16, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Bear in mind that Postscript is a DOCUMENT description language, while PDF is a PAGE description language. PDF requires much less working memory, and if something goes wrong it is also a lot easier to find the problem. Oh.
I understand that it is easy to translate between ps and pdf, they are related.
Yes, they are very similar. But PS stores a lot of information at the document level, whereas in PDF that information is repeated for every page. You can cut a page out of a PDF and print it no problem. Do that for PS and it may work, or it may fail spectacularly - special stuff like fonts, stylesheets, etc etc is stored at the start of the PS document and gets lost if you try to cut a page.
I often take a ps file and extract odd/even pages to different files with no issues (I mean, print them separately, emulating double sided printing). :-? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 24/10/17 12:40 PM, Anthony Youngman wrote:
Yes, they are very similar. But PS stores a lot of information at the document level, whereas in PDF that information is repeated for every page. You can cut a page out of a PDF and print it no problem. Do that for PS and it may work, or it may fail spectacularly - special stuff like fonts, stylesheets, etc etc is stored at the start of the PS document and gets lost if you try to cut a page.
IIR seeing tools that will 'extract' a single page from a PS document, but preserve the header, font etc. I suppose I could google for it ... I suppose you could run a loop that extracted each page and did a pstopdf. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-10-19 14:34, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 18/10/17 08:25 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Ah, yes, found them. There are 10 HL-517 DN: you have to search for the string "Brother hl-517" in YaST "add new printer Configuration" dialog.
Try them all. Just install them all with a slightly different name that allows you to remember what driver each one uses. After you installed them all, try them all with the same PDF page. Or the test printer button in yast.
YaST, not CUPS setup. I insist.
I have no particular liking for Yast when it obscures what's going on.
I don't care. Just do it! I told you of a solution, so please try it. :-)) Make sure all is installed. I have: Telcontar:~ # rpm -qa cups* cups-filters-cups-browsed-1.8.2-1.5.x86_64 cups-filters-1.8.2-1.5.x86_64 cups-filters-ghostscript-1.8.2-1.5.x86_64 cups-libs-1.7.5-8.3.1.x86_64 cups-libs-32bit-1.7.5-8.3.1.x86_64 cups-pk-helper-lang-0.2.5-7.3.1.noarch cups-client-1.7.5-8.3.1.x86_64 cups-pk-helper-0.2.5-7.3.1.x86_64 cups-backends-1.1-7.1.noarch cups-filters-foomatic-rip-1.8.2-1.5.x86_64 cups-devel-1.7.5-8.3.1.x86_64 cups-1.7.5-8.3.1.x86_64 Telcontar:~ # -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 19/10/17 10:35 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
YaST, not CUPS setup. I insist.
I have no particular liking for Yast when it obscures what's going on.
I don't care. Just do it!
Perhaps if you tell me what advantage there is in using yast over the CUPS browser at 631? I'm a lot more comfortable with cups as cups rather than cups as insulated by yast.
Telcontar:~ # rpm -qa cups* cups-filters-cups-browsed-1.8.2-1.5.x86_64 cups-filters-1.8.2-1.5.x86_64 cups-filters-ghostscript-1.8.2-1.5.x86_64 cups-libs-1.7.5-8.3.1.x86_64 cups-libs-32bit-1.7.5-8.3.1.x86_64 cups-pk-helper-lang-0.2.5-7.3.1.noarch cups-client-1.7.5-8.3.1.x86_64 cups-pk-helper-0.2.5-7.3.1.x86_64 cups-backends-1.1-7.1.noarch cups-filters-foomatic-rip-1.8.2-1.5.x86_64 cups-devel-1.7.5-8.3.1.x86_64 cups-1.7.5-8.3.1.x86_64
I am running 42.2 and have # rpm -qa cups* cups-libs-1.7.5-8.3.1.x86_64 cups-backends-1.1-296.1.noarch cups-filters-foomatic-rip-1.8.2-1.5.x86_64 cups-filters-ghostscript-1.8.2-1.5.x86_64 cups-1.7.5-8.3.1.x86_64 cups-config-2.2.3-216.1.x86_64 cups-filters-1.8.2-1.5.x86_64 cups-pk-helper-0.2.5-7.3.1.x86_64 cups-client-1.7.5-8.3.1.x86_64 cups-pdf-3.0.1-8.1.x86_64 cups-pk-helper-lang-0.2.5-7.3.1.noarch cups-filters-cups-browsed-1.8.2-1.5.x86_64 I don't seem to have ANY 32bit things on my system. I also have printer-driver-brlaser -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-10-19 17:30, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 19/10/17 10:35 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
YaST, not CUPS setup. I insist.
I have no particular liking for Yast when it obscures what's going on.
I don't care. Just do it!
Perhaps if you tell me what advantage there is in using yast over the CUPS browser at 631?
Simply that YaST knows openSUSE quircks.
I'm a lot more comfortable with cups as cups rather than cups as insulated by yast.
Just try :-) I see in YaST 10 drivers for your printer. I told you to install them all and try them all. Do you see those 10 in cups? If yes, install them the cups way, if you refuse to use yast. If you don't see them, use yast. But if you use cups to install those ten and all fail to print, you know I'll blame you for not using yast >:-)
Telcontar:~ # rpm -qa cups* cups-filters-cups-browsed-1.8.2-1.5.x86_64 Ok cups-filters-1.8.2-1.5.x86_64 Ok cups-filters-ghostscript-1.8.2-1.5.x86_64 Ok cups-libs-1.7.5-8.3.1.x86_64 Ok cups-libs-32bit-1.7.5-8.3.1.x86_64 no matter cups-pk-helper-lang-0.2.5-7.3.1.noarch Ok cups-client-1.7.5-8.3.1.x86_64 Ok cups-pk-helper-0.2.5-7.3.1.x86_64 Ok cups-backends-1.1-7.1.noarch Ok cups-filters-foomatic-rip-1.8.2-1.5.x86_64 Ok cups-devel-1.7.5-8.3.1.x86_64 probably no matter cups-1.7.5-8.3.1.x86_64 Ok
I am running 42.2 and have # rpm -qa cups* cups-libs-1.7.5-8.3.1.x86_64 cups-backends-1.1-296.1.noarch cups-filters-foomatic-rip-1.8.2-1.5.x86_64 cups-filters-ghostscript-1.8.2-1.5.x86_64 cups-1.7.5-8.3.1.x86_64 cups-config-2.2.3-216.1.x86_64 cups-filters-1.8.2-1.5.x86_64 cups-pk-helper-0.2.5-7.3.1.x86_64 cups-client-1.7.5-8.3.1.x86_64 cups-pdf-3.0.1-8.1.x86_64 cups-pk-helper-lang-0.2.5-7.3.1.noarch cups-filters-cups-browsed-1.8.2-1.5.x86_64
I don't seem to have ANY 32bit things on my system. I also have printer-driver-brlaser
Seems to be Ok. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
* Anton Aylward
On 18/10/17 03:34 AM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
there is an option in the print dialog about printing images, is that ticked correctly?
Do you mean "Pictures and graphical objects", which is only in the LO print dialogue, not the PDF dialogue
Yes. I told you I worked though all the reasonable settings. And before you ask yes, I tried both colour and grerayscale, in the LO and the PDF, 24bit and 8bit.
No I didn't try different paper trays, rotated, or, since it was a single sheet, reverse collation. I did say that I tried the reasonable combinations.
you did say "context is everythings" and of course "reasonable" in this context means exactly the same thing to you as to me :) attempts to communicate a particular meaning lie with the communicator as it is he/she who must convey a meaning to another who has different experiences and environment and doesn't have the same perceptions. perception (and semantics) is everything. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Op woensdag 18 oktober 2017 00:12:25 CEST schreef Anton Aylward:
This may be a printer problem, but then again not.
I took a screensnhot to png, but later converted to jpg with no better result.
I tried embedding said image in a document. I've also tried converting the image to greyscale only. When I print, the image doesn't come out.
I believe the printer and driver can print images for a number of reasons. I can print a page from a PDF document that has images on it. I admit the graphical parts don't come out as well as the text part of the image.
I've also printed web pages such as recipes/yummily that have images and they come out.
This is a brother HL-517DN and I seem to have a PDF style driver installed. That seems the new norm. However I've gone through all the possible settings that make sense (aka not the '2-up' or rotations) without much joy. I'm not sure this is a good thing, to be honest but that seems to be the new norm.
Please, experience should trump theory. I know the theory. Telling me that over again isn't going to help.
> Q: Are you sure? > >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >> >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
Anton, can you post the image, or another image that shows the same issue, on paste.opensuse.org , so that others can try to see if they meet the same issue? -- Gertjan Lettink, a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 18/10/17 05:44 AM, Knurpht - Gertjan Lettink wrote:
Anton, can you post the image, or another image that shows the same issue, on paste.opensuse.org , so that others can try to see if they meet the same issue?
This is a trivial. I used google maps, took a screenshot as rectangle rather than the whole screen using "spectacle". I run KDE and use firefox to bring up the map. That was saved as a PNG. I later tried converting the PNG to a JPG with GIMP and embedding the JPG. Anyone can replicate this with any screenshot of anything they desire. On screen, everything looks fine. And yes I used GIMP to make a greyscale as well and tried embedding that. I'm getting convinced that this has nothing to do with the image, with LO. I'm getting convinced it has to do with the drivers. Blowing me off by telling me to write my own PPD doesn't help. what do I know about PPDs? I'm more concerned about when this change from PS to PDF happened. As I said, even when I print a PDF file with images they don't come out particularly well. And yes I tried converting the LO with embedded image to a PDF and no that wasn't any better than before. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 18/10/2017 à 14:07, Anton Aylward a écrit :
Anyone can replicate this with any screenshot of anything they desire.
and I did often with success, simply printing from gwenview
I'm getting convinced it has to do with the drivers.
it's not what the subject say... well... I use a brother laser printer, but probably not yours
Blowing me off by telling me to write my own PPD doesn't help. what do I know about PPDs?
you seems to know all... it's only text file jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Hi,
On Oct 18, 2017, at 08:14:05, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 18/10/2017 à 14:07, Anton Aylward a écrit :
Anyone can replicate this with any screenshot of anything they desire.
and I did often with success, simply printing from gwenview
I'm getting convinced it has to do with the drivers.
it's not what the subject say...
well... I use a brother laser printer, but probably not yours
Blowing me off by telling me to write my own PPD doesn't help. what do I know about PPDs?
you seems to know all... it's only text file
A problem might be that the file is not autodetected as PS, and might be sent to your printer as PCL. I need to see the file you are trying to send to the printer. Typically. image files (PNG, JPEG, TIFF) are written out to PostScript and/or PDF with special commands, and LibreOffice's back end for PS/PDF generation might be doing the wrong thing. Can you use the backend of LibreOffice to generate the PS and/or PDF and send it to me off-list? This will bypass CUPS. If it displays on my end (say, via Okular), then the issue might be with CUPS, or as has been said before, with the PPD. PPD file are indeed text files. You can look at PPD files provided with CUPS, and there are many google hits for the format. Unfortunately, the official docs on PPD, on this page: http://www.adobe.com/devnet/postscript.html do not load. om
On 18/10/17 08:14 AM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 18/10/2017 à 14:07, Anton Aylward a écrit :
Anyone can replicate this with any screenshot of anything they desire.
and I did often with success, simply printing from gwenview
Well not for me. I tried gwenview with the PNG and got the same result. And oh, yes, the version with the GIMP text layer printed the text layer. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
http://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadlist.aspx?c=us_ot&lang=en&prod=hl5170dn_all&os=127#SelectLanguageType-576_0_1 -- /bengan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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