[SLE] a non flame war ? about freebsd

steganos1＠home.com

21 Feb 2000 21 Feb '00

15:47

just an off subject to the mailing list about freebsd.. i got freebsd 3.5 lite i believe it is and was wondering how is it? i never installed it yet..if i do install it will also be a duel boot linux/freebsd...does it have as much support...ect as linux?i know its good for running a server ect... other than that what else could it be used for?i also know its pretty secure outta the box... no flame wars meant to be started either just a curiosity ... remember an operating system is a tool and diffrent tools have diffrent functions if more people would be open minded then possibly that would cut down on all the flame wars in the world... make love not war,give a flower to show love not a punch to start a fight.. in the cyber world it would be give a linux to show love, not a window to start a fight... hehe j/k.. ---------clipped from Re: [SLE] Kernel 2.2.14 upgrade and OSS---------

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Kinda makes me want to go back to FreeBSD or my old PDP-8..........

Plenty of good reasons to use FreeBSD, too. I dual boot Linux/FreeBSD. Best of both worlds.

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jbarnett＠axil.netmate.com

21 Feb 21 Feb

17:23

----- Original Message ----- From: steganos1 To: Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 9:47 AM Subject: [SLE] a non flame war ? about freebsd

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just an off subject to the mailing list about freebsd.. i got freebsd 3.5 lite i believe it is and was wondering how is it?

It is a nice strong free Unix. That is a good thing

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i never installed it yet..if i do install it will also be a duel boot linux/freebsd...does it have as much support...ect as linux?

It is community supported, which IMHO is a good thing. If you can find help on the Internet for Linux than it will be easy for you to find help for FreeBSD on the Internet. They got newsgroups, forums, mailing lists, documentation, chat rooms, about everything you would find with Linux. Hell sometimes I "leech" Linux howto's to get things working on the BSD box. The Sendmail-Howto even though is in the /usr/doc of a Linux system, it still applies to other Unix boxes that wish to run Sendmail.

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i know its good for running a server ect... other than that what else could it be used for?

Depends, what do you want to use it for? It is a strong Unix that is open source and community supporedt, that means it is highly flexiable, you could use for almost anything you wanted to. What do you want to use it for? More than likely it will be able to do what you need it to.

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i also know its pretty secure outta the box... no flame wars meant to be started either just a curiosity ... remember an operating system is a tool and diffrent tools have diffrent functions if more people would be open minded then possibly that would cut down on all the flame wars in the world... make love not war,give a flower to show love not a punch to start a fight.. in the cyber world it would be give a linux to show love, not a window to start a fight... hehe j/k..

---------clipped from Re: [SLE] Kernel 2.2.14 upgrade and OSS---------

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Kinda makes me want to go back to FreeBSD or my old PDP-8..........

Plenty of good reasons to use FreeBSD, too. I dual boot Linux/FreeBSD. Best of both worlds.

Take care,

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steganos1＠home.com

16:35

thats kool thanx for the info.. Jack Barnett wrote:

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----- Original Message ----- From: steganos1 To: Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 9:47 AM Subject: [SLE] a non flame war ? about freebsd

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just an off subject to the mailing list about freebsd.. i got freebsd 3.5 lite i believe it is and was wondering how is it?

It is a nice strong free Unix. That is a good thing

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i never installed it yet..if i do install it will also be a duel boot linux/freebsd...does it have as much support...ect as linux?

It is community supported, which IMHO is a good thing. If you can find help on the Internet for Linux than it will be easy for you to find help for FreeBSD on the Internet. They got newsgroups, forums, mailing lists, documentation, chat rooms, about everything you would find with Linux. Hell sometimes I "leech" Linux howto's to get things working on the BSD box. The Sendmail-Howto even though is in the /usr/doc of a Linux system, it still applies to other Unix boxes that wish to run Sendmail.

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i know its good for running a server ect... other than that what else could it be used for?

Depends, what do you want to use it for? It is a strong Unix that is open source and community supporedt, that means it is highly flexiable, you could use for almost anything you wanted to. What do you want to use it for? More than likely it will be able to do what you need it to.

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i also know its pretty secure outta the box... no flame wars meant to be started either just a curiosity ... remember an operating system is a tool and diffrent tools have diffrent functions if more people would be open minded then possibly that would cut down on all the flame wars in the world... make love not war,give a flower to show love not a punch to start a fight.. in the cyber world it would be give a linux to show love, not a window to start a fight... hehe j/k..

---------clipped from Re: [SLE] Kernel 2.2.14 upgrade and OSS---------

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Kinda makes me want to go back to FreeBSD or my old PDP-8..........

Plenty of good reasons to use FreeBSD, too. I dual boot Linux/FreeBSD. Best of both worlds.

Take care,

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abrahams＠valinet.com

18:52

I wonder - can FreeBSD live in a logical partition and be loaded by Lilo or by other boot managers? That would make it easier to play with since it could live in parallel with Linux. And what filesystems if any can FreeBSD share with Linux? Paul Abrahams -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

stefan.troeger＠wirtschaft.tu-chemnitz.de

19:19

Hi, On Mon, Feb 21, 2000 at 13:52 -0500, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:

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I wonder - can FreeBSD live in a logical partition and be loaded by Lilo or by other boot managers? That would make it easier to play with since it could live in parallel with Linux.

Yes and yes.

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And what filesystems if any can FreeBSD share with Linux?

Linux can read FreeBSDs UFS (write support is experimental). I don't know if FreeBSD can handle ext2 but like Linux it should read and write FAT. Ciao, Stefan -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

abrahams＠valinet.com

20:14

Stefan Troeger wrote:

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Hi,

On Mon, Feb 21, 2000 at 13:52 -0500, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:

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I wonder - can FreeBSD live in a logical partition and be loaded by Lilo or by other boot managers? That would make it easier to play with since it could live in parallel with Linux.

Yes and yes.

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And what filesystems if any can FreeBSD share with Linux?

Linux can read FreeBSDs UFS (write support is experimental). I don't know if FreeBSD can handle ext2 but like Linux it should read and write FAT.

FAT may be the one format everyone can read and write, but the 8.3 case-insensitive filename format can be pretty limiting sometimes. I wonder if any of the other less-common filesystems like VFAT, UMSDOS, and maybe System V, which Linux can handle, are available under FreeBSD? Paul Abrahams -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

JerryKreps＠alltel.net

20:17

"Paul W. Abrahams" wrote:

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Stefan Troeger wrote:

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Hi,

On Mon, Feb 21, 2000 at 13:52 -0500, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:

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I wonder - can FreeBSD live in a logical partition and be loaded by Lilo or by other boot managers? That would make it easier to play with since it could live in parallel with Linux.

Yes and yes.

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And what filesystems if any can FreeBSD share with Linux?

Linux can read FreeBSDs UFS (write support is experimental). I don't know if FreeBSD can handle ext2 but like Linux it should read and write FAT.

FAT may be the one format everyone can read and write, but the 8.3 case-insensitive filename format can be pretty limiting sometimes.

I wonder if any of the other less-common filesystems like VFAT, UMSDOS, and maybe System V, which Linux can handle, are available under FreeBSD?

Paul Abrahams

mmmm.... I got to wondering... Does FreeBSD support gcc and/or the ELF format? I.E., can Linux binaries be run on it. Does it use libc6 and other common Linux libraries? JLK -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

jpennington＠atipa.com

20:30

On Mon, 21 Feb 2000, Jerry L Kreps wrote:

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mmmm.... I got to wondering... Does FreeBSD support gcc and/or the ELF format? I.E., can Linux binaries be run on it. Does it use libc6 and other common Linux libraries? JLK

Yes, assuming that you know how to use the FreeBSD CVS system. Those are two of the features that the FreeBSD camp are so proud of. In fact, the Linux binary/library compatiblility is so complete that several people I know are using the Linux GLide implementation on 3Dfx hardware under FreeBSD. -- -=|JP|=- Jon Pennington | Atipa Linux Solutions -o) jpennington@atipa.com | Kansas City, MO /\\ 816-241-2641 x107 | http://www.atipa.com _\_V -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

damianks＠netnet.net

22 Feb 22 Feb

06:26

----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry L Kreps To: Cc: Stefan Troeger ; Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] a non flame war ? about freebsd

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"Paul W. Abrahams" wrote:

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Stefan Troeger wrote:

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Hi,

On Mon, Feb 21, 2000 at 13:52 -0500, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:

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I wonder - can FreeBSD live in a logical partition and be loaded by

Lilo or by

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other boot managers? That would make it easier to play with since it could live in parallel with Linux.

Yes and yes.

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And what filesystems if any can FreeBSD share with Linux?

Linux can read FreeBSDs UFS (write support is experimental). I don't know if FreeBSD can handle ext2 but like Linux it should read and write FAT.

FAT may be the one format everyone can read and write, but the 8.3 case-insensitive filename format can be pretty limiting sometimes.

I wonder if any of the other less-common filesystems like VFAT, UMSDOS, and maybe System V, which Linux can handle, are available under FreeBSD?

Paul Abrahams

mmmm.... I got to wondering... Does FreeBSD support gcc and/or the ELF format? I.E., can Linux binaries be run on it. Does it use libc6 and other common Linux libraries? JLK

Yes, FreeBSD does use ELF format binaries, it comes with gcc and many other programs (for lack of a better word) that you are accustomed to using with linux. I am not sure what libs it uses but is extremely compatible with linux. FreeBSD reads nfs, ufs, umsdos, and a couple others I can't remember off hand. The one major difference is that the kernel does not use modules. Everything has to be compiled in, but it is a very simple procedure. That is the only experience that I have with kernel compilation. In many ways freebsd is almost like another linux distro. It just doesn't have as big of a user base.

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stefan.troeger＠wirtschaft.tu-chemnitz.de

21 Feb 21 Feb

20:57

Hi, On Mon, Feb 21, 2000 at 15:14 -0500, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:

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FAT may be the one format everyone can read and write, but the 8.3 case-insensitive filename format can be pretty limiting sometimes.

I wonder if any of the other less-common filesystems like VFAT, UMSDOS, and maybe System V, which Linux can handle, are available under FreeBSD?

I used FreeBSD 2.something and 3.1 and think VFAT is supported in 3.1, but I could be wrong, check www.freebsd.org to be sure. A quote from FreeBSDs handbook regarding ext2: options "EXT2FS" Linux's native file system. With ext2fs support you are able to read and write to Linux partitions. This is useful if you dual- boot FreeBSD and Linux and want to share data between the two sys- tems. Ciao, Stefan -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

abrahams＠valinet.com

21:23

New subject: [SLE] Sharing data between Linux and FreeBSD

Stefan Troeger wrote:

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I used FreeBSD 2.something and 3.1 and think VFAT is supported in 3.1, but I could be wrong, check www.freebsd.org to be sure. A quote from FreeBSDs handbook regarding ext2:

options "EXT2FS"

Linux's native file system. With ext2fs support you are able to read and write to Linux partitions. This is useful if you dual- boot FreeBSD and Linux and want to share data between the two sys- tems.

That makes it very clear: if you're running both systems on a single machine, use your Linux ext2fs partitions to share data. Paul Abrahams -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

steganos1＠home.com

22 Feb 22 Feb

06:25

i know there is a linux emulator in freebsd also so it should be supported as far as the file system goes... Stefan Troeger wrote:

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Hi,

On Mon, Feb 21, 2000 at 15:14 -0500, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:

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FAT may be the one format everyone can read and write, but the 8.3 case-insensitive filename format can be pretty limiting sometimes.

I wonder if any of the other less-common filesystems like VFAT, UMSDOS, and maybe System V, which Linux can handle, are available under FreeBSD?

I used FreeBSD 2.something and 3.1 and think VFAT is supported in 3.1, but I could be wrong, check www.freebsd.org to be sure. A quote from FreeBSDs handbook regarding ext2:

options "EXT2FS"

Linux's native file system. With ext2fs support you are able to read and write to Linux partitions. This is useful if you dual- boot FreeBSD and Linux and want to share data between the two sys- tems.

Ciao, Stefan

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damianks＠netnet.net

05:58

----- Original Message ----- From: Paul W. Abrahams To: Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] a non flame war ? about freebsd

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I wonder - can FreeBSD live in a logical partition and be loaded by Lilo or by other boot managers? That would make it easier to play with since it could live in parallel with Linux.

FreeBSD has it's own type of boot loader but I would think you can use lilo to start it. It's been awhile since I played around with it and never had linux and freebsd installed on the same machine. Yes, FreeBSD can live on a logical partion. It is very compatible with other os's.

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And what filesystems if any can FreeBSD share with Linux?

As of version 3.1 freebsd used FFS as their file system. You may be able to share a swap partion with linux however. I really like FreeBSD, the developement does not go as quickly as it does for linux, but most if not all of the linux packages can be compiled from source and used on FreeBSD. I'm eagerly awaiting the next version to come out. It will either be 3.5 or 4.0.

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Paul Abrahams

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moonr＠mindspring.com

08:56

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FreeBSD has it's own type of boot loader but I would think you can use lilo to start it. It's been awhile since I played around with it and never had

Yes, it can definitely be loaded with LILO, that's how I do it. When installing FreeBSD, don't install the boot loader. Add an entry to lilo.conf just as if for, say, MSDOS or Windows. (man lilo.conf).

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I'm eagerly awaiting the next version to come out. It will either be 3.5 or 4.0.

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Paul Abrahams

Actually, it's a little of both. :) -- 4.0 is coming out within a week or so, but the 3.x branch will continue until 3.5's release in May (think that's right). After that, 4.1 and 4.x from there on out. REM moonr@mindspring.com ICQ uin 39952184 -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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