After subscribing to this list a few weeks ago I have noticed several things interesting about it: * It generates more messages by far that any other list. Thank God I have a decent email client. * It serves to remind me daily of the nature of puter geeks (I have been one since 1979), which is to always tell someone how to build a watch when they ask for the time. * Along that line is the generation of massive amounts of chaff which has to be sifted through to get to the answer, sort of like picking fly shit out of pepper. * I view all this as some kind of late-in-life penance for the sins of my youth. * In spite of all the above, I am slowly amassing a filtered list of worthwhile reference data that is actually useful and I just want to say "Thank you" to all of you who are helping in the effort. Fred
Stevens wrote:
After subscribing to this list a few weeks ago I have noticed several things interesting about it:
* It generates more messages by far that any other list. Thank God I have a decent email client.
* It serves to remind me daily of the nature of puter geeks (I have been one since 1979), which is to always tell someone how to build a watch when they ask for the time.
* Along that line is the generation of massive amounts of chaff which has to be sifted through to get to the answer, sort of like picking fly shit out of pepper.
* I view all this as some kind of late-in-life penance for the sins of my youth.
* In spite of all the above, I am slowly amassing a filtered list of worthwhile reference data that is actually useful and I just want to say "Thank you" to all of you who are helping in the effort.
Fred
Sorry, but without specifics it is hard to diagnose your problem. What version of Suse are you using? WM? DM? Copies of logs please.... ;) Jim F
Stevens wrote:
After subscribing to this list a few weeks ago I have noticed several things interesting about it:
* It generates more messages by far that any other list. Thank God I have a decent email client.
We were warned of this on the list page. It does have it's ups and downs, however.
* It serves to remind me daily of the nature of puter geeks (I have been one since 1979), which is to always tell someone how to build a watch when they ask for the time.
I got my official start in '68 studying FORTRAN, but didn't get my first computer 'til 1980, not much behind you. Much detail is needed by most beginners. And, some folks, like me get 2-3 or more years behind periodically. I find details helpful for catch-up and for making the transition between systems.
* Along that line is the generation of massive amounts of chaff which has to be sifted through to get to the answer, sort of like picking fly shit out of pepper.
Even geeks like to talk.
* I view all this as some kind of late-in-life penance for the sins of my youth.
It does not have to be a chore.
* In spite of all the above, I am slowly amassing a filtered list of worthwhile reference data that is actually useful and I just want to say "Thank you" to all of you who are helping in the effort.
Fred
Hope you have as much Linux fun as the rest of us. -- ED --
On Tuesday 31 October 2006 17:16, Ed McCanless wrote: Hi, I guess I am a late bloomer, I started becoming familiar with the linux world in 2000, when my win 98 gateway was so infested with spyware and viruses, I literally had no choice but to look for other alternatives. Wound up with red hat for a bit, then settled for suse. This list is a god send for me, As my distro of choice has been suse all these years. I have 6 pcs at home and most of them have a different distro on it. (yes one with xp media and suse 10.1on a dual boot laptop, my son is mmorpg addict, and my main desktop is 10.1, server on debian etch, the rest change constantly) This is more or less a hobby for me, but I have been active with pcs back when the trs-80 color computer was in its heyday. remember os/9? Im going to date myself now, but I started programming with rpg3 back in HS, grad in 86. along with first starting out with a tape recorder as my only medium for storage. I use to spend most of my nights on bbs's all over the country using a whopping 300 baud modem. THOSE were the days!! I would like to suggest we all remember the day when we first started in this os called linux. I truly believe that the image we portray on this list will attract or send packing the people who will increase the market share of linux. we all would like to enjoy mainstream software, and manufacturer support for linux wouldnt we? If you have the knowledge, why not share it? there are some people in this world who have no interest in learning of the inner workings of an os, they just want to turn on a pc, and have it work! There are a few distros out there that are SO close to this right now, you used ubuntu or sled 10 yet?
Stevens wrote:
After subscribing to this list a few weeks ago I have noticed several things interesting about it:
* It generates more messages by far that any other list. Thank God I have a decent email client.
We were warned of this on the list page. It does have it's ups and downs, however.
* It serves to remind me daily of the nature of puter geeks (I have been one since 1979), which is to always tell someone how to build a watch when they ask for the time.
I got my official start in '68 studying FORTRAN, but didn't get my first computer 'til 1980, not much behind you. Much detail is needed by most beginners. And, some folks, like me get 2-3 or more years behind periodically. I find details helpful for catch-up and for making the transition between systems.
* Along that line is the generation of massive amounts of chaff which has to be sifted through to get to the answer, sort of like picking fly shit out of pepper.
Even geeks like to talk.
* I view all this as some kind of late-in-life penance for the sins of my youth.
It does not have to be a chore.
* In spite of all the above, I am slowly amassing a filtered list of worthwhile reference data that is actually useful and I just want to say "Thank you" to all of you who are helping in the effort.
Fred
Hope you have as much Linux fun as the rest of us.
-- ED --
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steve reilly wrote:
-- SNIP -- there are some people in this world who have no interest in learning of the inner workings of an os, they just want to turn on a pc, and have it work! There are a few distros out there that are SO close to this right now, you used ubuntu or sled 10 yet?
No, I jumped right into Linux, with SuSE 10.0, in 2005. I tried Debian briefly, but soon found I liked SuSE better. Noticed your mention of trs-80. My first desk top was a TI-99. I could say more, but it would probably be best to move to the OT (off topic) list if we're gonna get too carried away with history. And I haven't subscribed to that yet. I too have found this list very helpful. -- ED -- P.S. Sorry Steve, didn't intend to send that direct.
On Tuesday 31 October 2006 22:16, Ed McCanless wrote: ed, no worries ......
steve reilly wrote:
-- SNIP -- there are some people in this world who have no interest in learning of the inner workings of an os, they just want to turn on a pc, and have it work! There are a few distros out there that are SO close to this right now, you used ubuntu or sled 10 yet?
No, I jumped right into Linux, with SuSE 10.0, in 2005. I tried Debian briefly, but soon found I liked SuSE better. Noticed your mention of trs-80. My first desk top was a TI-99. I could say more, but it would probably be best to move to the OT (off topic) list if we're gonna get too carried away with history. And I haven't subscribed to that yet. I too have found this list very helpful.
-- ED -- P.S. Sorry Steve, didn't intend to send that direct.
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Stevens wrote:
After subscribing to this list a few weeks ago I have noticed several things interesting about it: (snip)
So you subscribed to this list and you don't like it. So you unsubscribe. What's your problem? Regards, -- Jos van Kan registered Linux user #152704
On Tuesday 31 October 2006 18:24, Jos van Kan wrote:
So you subscribed to this list and you don't like it. So you unsubscribe. What's your problem?
Regards, -- Jos van Kan registered Linux user #152704
I have reread my original post several times and I have yet to find any mention of my not liking the list. I did notice the ".nl" in your email address, so I can only assume that you did not fully understand what I wrote.
Stevens wrote:
I have reread my original post several times and I have yet to find any mention of my not liking the list. I did notice the ".nl" in your email address, so I can only assume that you did not fully understand what I wrote.
I gathered by the over all tone of your comment, that you liked the list, but maybe were somewhat tired of reading. I take breaks. -- ED --
Stevens wrote:
On Tuesday 31 October 2006 18:24, Jos van Kan wrote:
So you subscribed to this list and you don't like it. So you unsubscribe. What's your problem?
Regards, -- Jos van Kan registered Linux user #152704
I have reread my original post several times and I have yet to find any mention of my not liking the list. I did notice the ".nl" in your email address, so I can only assume that you did not fully understand what I wrote.
Well, I have to quote you in full then: <quote> * It generates more messages by far that any other list. Thank God I have a decent email client. * It serves to remind me daily of the nature of puter geeks (I have been one since 1979), which is to always tell someone how to build a watch when they ask for the time. * Along that line is the generation of massive amounts of chaff which has to be sifted through to get to the answer, sort of like picking fly shit out of pepper. * I view all this as some kind of late-in-life penance for the sins of my youth. </quote> and for the life of me I cannot read that as positive qualifications. Although you ended on a semi-positive note: <quote> * In spite of all the above, I am slowly amassing a filtered list of worthwhile reference data that is actually useful and I just want to say "Thank you" to all of you who are helping in the effort. </quote> I read this as: this list has massive volume and it takes a lot of work to sift out the few useful contributions. But, yes, English isn't my first language, although I usually get along fine. Thank you for putting me into place. Regards, -- Jos van Kan registered Linux user #152704
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2006-11-01 at 09:27 +0100, Jos van Kan wrote:
and for the life of me I cannot read that as positive qualifications.
I do, because the last sentence turns around the negativeness of the preceding sentences. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFSIHatTMYHG2NR9URAoYwAJ9pV7FOujnqk895JahORswqHdN2xgCaAhy4 uW98PDt8bdaWzcdmDu0qhHI= =qOpb -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
I can see clearly now: Texican is a difficult dialect for other English speakers to fully appreciate. (which probably accounts for some of Bushy-boy's problems in the media) I'll try to be more careful. Mea culpa <-- (it ain't texican but it'll do)
I read this as: this list has massive volume and it takes a lot of work to sift out the few useful contributions. But, yes, English isn't my first language, although I usually get along fine. Thank you for putting me into place.
Maybe it's not about Language?! Xiaofeng Zhao http://www.xzing.org errare humanum est _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us
X Z wrote:
I read this as: this list has massive volume and it takes a lot of work to sift out the few useful contributions. But, yes, English isn't my first language, although I usually get along fine. Thank you for putting me into place.
Maybe it's not about Language?!
Xiaofeng Zhao http://www.xzing.org errare humanum est
Any language can be confusing, without the body language to go with it. Maybe that's why smiley faces (emoticons) are so popular.
On Wednesday 01 November 2006 22:20, Ed McCanless wrote:
Any language can be confusing, without the body language to go with it. Maybe that's why smiley faces (emoticons) are so popular.
Yes, it's difficult to see how Jonathan Swift, Charles Dickens and Douglas Adams ever managed without them I don't know if there's an emoticon for sarcasm I don't think the problem is with language, as much as it is with people's inability to use it
Anders Johansson wrote:
On Wednesday 01 November 2006 22:20, Ed McCanless wrote:
Any language can be confusing, without the body language to go with it. Maybe that's why smiley faces (emoticons) are so popular.
Yes, it's difficult to see how Jonathan Swift, Charles Dickens and Douglas Adams ever managed without them
I don't know if there's an emoticon for sarcasm
I don't think the problem is with language, as much as it is with people's inability to use it
True, but look how many people never acquired the expertise of Jonathan Swift, Charles Dickens or Douglas Adams.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2006-11-01 at 16:38 -0500, Ed McCanless wrote:
True, but look how many people never acquired the expertise of Jonathan Swift, Charles Dickens or Douglas Adams.
And they were paid (supposedly) to fill up pages and pages getting their point. We don't have that much time nor paper. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFSTDAtTMYHG2NR9URAqZiAJ9at55tnEVey5YmRysFiTzvtDXUGgCfXMVW zkDn5c4AxpFyi2/8+IHOlGI= =pmtc -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2006-10-30 at 22:41 -0600, Stevens wrote:
* It serves to remind me daily of the nature of puter geeks (I have been one since 1979), which is to always tell someone how to build a watch when they ask for the time.
X'-) O:-)
* In spite of all the above, I am slowly amassing a filtered list of worthwhile reference data that is actually useful and I just want to say "Thank you" to all of you who are helping in the effort.
Me too... my "interesting" folder keeps growing. I'd like a way to edit saved emails, like changing the subject to reflect the real reason why I stored each one. Does somebody know a "MUA" with such an ability? - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFR/CwtTMYHG2NR9URAjWvAKCYaS45cGw5LEnrUOZDeXv8EzJM+gCeLRxh p9mlAlaeDeK0ZUeImfldkEs= =iycH -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
At 01:56 AM 11/1/2006 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Monday 2006-10-30 at 22:41 -0600, Stevens wrote:
* It serves to remind me daily of the nature of puter geeks (I have been one since 1979), which is to always tell someone how to build a watch when they ask for the time.
X'-) O:-)
* In spite of all the above, I am slowly amassing a filtered list of worthwhile reference data that is actually useful and I just want to say "Thank you" to all of you who are helping in the effort.
Me too... my "interesting" folder keeps growing. I'd like a way to edit saved emails, like changing the subject to reflect the real reason why I stored each one. Does somebody know a "MUA" with such an ability?
- -- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
Does your mail program have a "Save As" feature? If so, just rename the file before you commit it to disk. --doug
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2006-10-31 at 21:22 -0500, Doug McGarrett wrote:
Does your mail program have a "Save As" feature? If so, just rename the file before you commit it to disk.
Yes, that's possible. But, If I could simply change the subject line, browsing the subjects is very easy inside the mail client, and a simple "enter" shows me the email. And the minimun of the original mail is modified. I would like to keep the old subject as another header, that would be even nicer. There would be a problem with the mail id, perhaps: I use it to find the original mail if I want to read the context, ie, the rest of the thread. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFSHzUtTMYHG2NR9URAoS6AJwOGR+IDzRD5Tp/RvhWLKRdyrOzawCfSwT7 9QK8jOTzxbIOe46QBFOuM98= =loay -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Tuesday 2006-10-31 at 21:22 -0500, Doug McGarrett wrote:
Does your mail program have a "Save As" feature? If so, just rename the file before you commit it to disk.
Yes, that's possible.
But, If I could simply change the subject line, browsing the subjects is very easy inside the mail client, and a simple "enter" shows me the email. And the minimun of the original mail is modified. I would like to keep the old subject as another header, that would be even nicer. There would be a problem with the mail id, perhaps: I use it to find the original mail if I want to read the context, ie, the rest of the thread.
Yes, I can see how this would be an advantage, for a start. But, eventually you will have to edit anyway, to reduce the bulk, and that is what keeps me behind. Still, by editing the material, I usually have read through everything about 3 times, as advised in school, and am beginning to understand the content. -- ED --
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2006-11-01 at 11:13 -0500, Ed McCanless wrote:
Yes, I can see how this would be an advantage, for a start. But, eventually you will have to edit anyway, to reduce the bulk, and that is what keeps me behind.
That's why I'd love to have the compression extension to ext3 finally developed ;-)
Still, by editing the material, I usually have read through everything about 3 times, as advised in school, and am beginning to understand the content.
But I can't commit every thing to memory. I simply remember that I saw that before and that I saved it (or not), so I "only" have to search for it. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFSSW8tTMYHG2NR9URAh/9AJwOXx7aZnSd7hkL/ofP5oWoADXkAACdF1WS GHgBTH0+icq5Vodc6RMI1sE= =R/B1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Me too... my "interesting" folder keeps growing. I'd like a way to edit saved emails, like changing the subject to reflect the real reason why I stored each one. Does somebody know a "MUA" with such an ability?
Don't know anything about "MUA", but I just copy and paste to a word processor, then file it. -- ED --
Ed, Carlos, On Tuesday 31 October 2006 19:11, Ed McCanless wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Me too... my "interesting" folder keeps growing. I'd like a way to edit saved emails, like changing the subject to reflect the real reason why I stored each one. Does somebody know a "MUA" with such an ability?
Don't know anything about "MUA", but I just copy and paste to a word processor, then file it.
MUA is "Mail User Agent." The technical term for what we commonly call an email client or user interface. They form the periphery of the store-and-forward SMTP/POP/IMAP network. The interior nodes are called MTA's: Mail Transfer Agents. To answer Carlos' question, Eudora has the ability to edit messages and their subject headers. When you do so, you don't affect the original message, but rather alter the header information in the per-mailbox table-of-contents file, which is separate from the mailbox file. At least that's what happens for header editing. I'm not so sure about body editing, but I think in that case it creates a new entry in the mailbox file and simply points the TOC entry (which is what drives the mailbox listing display) at the edited copy of the message. I occasionally made use of that feature when I used Eudora on the Mac and later on Windows. Of course in KMail filter actions can invoke external processing, so you can probably cobble some sort of message editor together, though for minor tasks such as tagging a Subject: header it wouldn't be as simple as Eudora's approach. (Also note, tangentially, that Eudora always strips attachments from message bodies, unlike KMail.)
-- ED --
Randall Schulz
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2006-10-31 at 19:29 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Tuesday 31 October 2006 19:11, Ed McCanless wrote:
Don't know anything about "MUA", but I just copy and paste to a word processor, then file it.
Yes, that's another solution, but I don't like it much. I have a file of notes with over two thousand lines and growing; searching the interesting bit is becoming dificult there.
To answer Carlos' question, Eudora has the ability to edit messages and their subject headers. When you do so, you don't affect the original message, but rather alter the header information in the per-mailbox table-of-contents file, which is separate from the mailbox file. At least that's what happens for header editing.
I thought I had seen a client with that capability, but of course, I want a linux one ;-) I'll have to go round testing some muas, I suppose. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFSHuetTMYHG2NR9URAuliAJ9mDjhfhf5wryz5S+eLmxon/MNIMwCeNUJo c9sLOdT+rYFczi8LBZ6qwkU= =k9SH -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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To answer Carlos' question, Eudora has the ability to edit messages and their subject headers. I occasionally made use of that feature when I used Eudora on the Mac and later on Windows.
Randall Schulz
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In case you have not heard eudora is going open source Randall. They plan to redo redo it completely based off of thunderbird. I still use eudora on windows. Going to be interesting how it turns out mid 2007 when they release the first version of the open source. jack
Jack, On Wednesday 01 November 2006 04:15, Jack Malone wrote:
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To answer Carlos' question, Eudora has the ability to edit messages and their subject headers. I occasionally made use of that feature when I used Eudora on the Mac and later on Windows.
Randall Schulz
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In case you have not heard eudora is going open source Randall. They plan to redo redo it completely based off of thunderbird. I still use eudora on windows. Going to be interesting how it turns out mid 2007 when they release the first version of the open source.
Yes, I did pick that up. I think one of Fred Miller's posts put me onto it. If they add real topic threading, I might consider switching. But the last time I checked, that was still lacking, and to my mind it's a huge deficit. It does have other nice features that I miss. E.g., ALT-clicking on a subject in the mailbox pulls together at that point in the list of messages all those message that have a matching subject. The same goes for sender and label (see next sentence). It has user-defined text+color labels that can be assigned manually or by filter actions. All and all, though, KMail has zoomed ahead in the past few years. ... Well, to be fair, KMail has zoomed ahead of Eudora's state as of a few years ago. I don't know how active development has been, but it had seemed to become quiescent at Qualcomm.
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