Hi gang! Does anyone on this list use a free email service in Germany (gmx for example) with Kmail? I have not been able to find one that will work with Kmail and the !"§$! Epost service is ending March 1. Thanks, JIM PS My darling wife will not let me pay a pf for email as long as there is even one free service in the whole !"§$ world. :( -- Jim Hatridge Linux User #88484 ------------------------------------------------------ WartHog Bulletin Info about new German Stamps http://www.fuzzybunnymilitia.org/~hatridge/bulletin/index.php Viel Feind -- Viel Ehr' Anti-US Propaganda stamp collection http://www.fuzzybunnymilitia.org/~hatridge/collection/index.php
On Monday 03 January 2005 10:52, James Hatridge wrote:
Hi gang!
Does anyone on this list use a free email service in Germany (gmx for example) with Kmail? I have not been able to find one that will work with Kmail and the !"§$! Epost service is ending March 1.
Thanks,
JIM
GMail has POP access that can be used from KMail. -Chris
Jim, On Monday 03 January 2005 09:52, James Hatridge wrote:
Hi gang!
We are a society! Not a gang!!
Does anyone on this list use a free email service in Germany (gmx for example) with Kmail? I have not been able to find one that will work with Kmail and the !"§$! Epost service is ending March 1.
What's the problem with KMail? It supports both SMTP/POP and IMAP. Why wouldn't it work with available free email providers?
Thanks,
JIM
Randall Schulz
On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:35:53 -0800
Randall R Schulz
On Monday 03 January 2005 09:52, James Hatridge wrote:
Hi gang!
We are a society! Not a gang!!
Jim, I expect Randall is cross with you because you used a word he doesn't believe in... : )) Terence
On Monday 03 January 2005 12:42 pm, Terence McCarthy wrote:
On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:35:53 -0800
Randall R Schulz
wrote: On Monday 03 January 2005 09:52, James Hatridge wrote:
Hi gang!
We are a society! Not a gang!!
Jim,
I expect Randall is cross with you because you used a word he doesn't believe in...
: ))
Terence yikes! When did this list get so fscking "PC" ???? Other than that Jim, I suspect you might want to try to try the Gmail solution someone else suggested... lemme know if you need an invite, I still have a couple to spare. <G> -- j nemo me impune lacessit 'Quis custodiet ipsos custodiates?'
JFW, On Monday 03 January 2005 09:52, jfweber@bellsouth.net wrote:
On Monday 03 January 2005 12:42 pm, Terence McCarthy wrote:
On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:35:53 -0800
Randall R Schulz
wrote: On Monday 03 January 2005 09:52, James Hatridge wrote:
Hi gang!
We are a society! Not a gang!!
Jim,
I expect Randall is cross with you because you used a word he doesn't believe in...
: ))
Terence
yikes! When did this list get so fscking "PC" ????
When people started to be afraid to use the words they're using. As for me, my "gangs" vs. "society" line was a joke. I categorically refuse to use emoticons, so I just have to accept that sometimes my humor goes unrecognized. As to Terence, I don't know what his attempt at humor was about (he used a simely, so I assume it was in fact attempted humor), but I'm pretty sure there is indeed such a thing as a "gang."
... -- j
RRS
On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:01:46 -0800
Randall R Schulz
I expect Randall is cross with you because you used a word he doesn't believe in...
: ))
Terence
yikes! When did this list get so fscking "PC" ????
As to Terence, I don't know what his attempt at humor was about (he used a simely, so I assume it was in fact attempted humor), but I'm pretty sure there is indeed such a thing as a "gang."
Sorry, Randall, I thought you'd have picked up on "Hell" in the title- I should remember never to assume anything, especially that others have a sense of humour. Sorry again. Terence
Terence, On Monday 03 January 2005 10:12, Terence McCarthy wrote:
On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:01:46 -0800
Randall R Schulz
wrote: ...
As to Terence, I don't know what his attempt at humor was about (he used a simely, so I assume it was in fact attempted humor), but I'm pretty sure there is indeed such a thing as a "gang."
Sorry, Randall, I thought you'd have picked up on "Hell" in the title-
I didn't make that connection. Of course I accept the reality of Hell. I'm living in it here and now. (It's one of those empirical things we talked about...)
...
Terence
RRS
On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:20:33 -0800
Randall R Schulz
Of course I accept the reality of Hell. I'm living in it here and now. (It's one of those empirical things we talked about...)
As Marlowe put it (Mephistopheles) "Why, this is Hell, nor am I out of it" Terence
Terence McCarthy wrote:
On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:20:33 -0800 Randall R Schulz
wrote: Of course I accept the reality of Hell. I'm living in it here and now. (It's one of those empirical things we talked about...)
As Marlowe put it (Mephistopheles) "Why, this is Hell, nor am I out of it"
Terence
From my point of view, if all those bible thumpers are going to heaven, I'd rather go elsewhere. ;-)
James, On Monday 03 January 2005 12:43, James Knott wrote:
Terence McCarthy wrote:
On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:20:33 -0800
Randall R Schulz
wrote: Of course I accept the reality of Hell. I'm living in it here and now. (It's one of those empirical things we talked about...)
As Marlowe put it (Mephistopheles) "Why, this is Hell, nor am I out of it"
Terence
From my point of view, if all those bible thumpers are going to heaven, I'd rather go elsewhere. ;-)
That's a pretty big "if!" RRS
On 03-Jan-05 Terence McCarthy wrote:
On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:01:46 -0800 Randall R Schulz
wrote: I expect Randall is cross with you because you used a word he doesn't believe in...
: ))
Terence
yikes! When did this list get so fscking "PC" ????
As to Terence, I don't know what his attempt at humor was about (he used a simely, so I assume it was in fact attempted humor), but I'm pretty sure there is indeed such a thing as a "gang."
Sorry, Randall, I thought you'd have picked up on "Hell" in the title- I should remember never to assume anything, especially that others have a sense of humour.
"The best-laid plans o' mice and men
Gang aft agley ... "
Ted.
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E-Mail: (Ted Harding)
On Monday 03 January 2005 1:01 pm, Randall R Schulz wrote:
JFW, <snippage>
yikes! When did this list get so fscking "PC" ????
When people started to be afraid to use the words they're using.
As for me, my "gangs" vs. "society" line was a joke. I categorically refuse to use emoticons, so I just have to accept that sometimes my humor goes unrecognized.
As to Terence, I don't know what his attempt at humor was about (he used a simely, so I assume it was in fact attempted humor), but I'm pretty sure there is indeed such a thing as a "gang." RRS,
yes, there certainly is a term "gang" , w/ good and bad connotations .. but generally it's a non sexist greeting to a group of people where one is, at least relatively, a known personality. And is rather less annoying than to have a bunch of pre teens call you one of their "peeps" English evolves rather quickly. Each generation seems to put a spin on it in several ways. Some words last, some make it into the dictionary and some just disappear ... ' Hep Cat" hasn't been heard in general conversation lately, for instance. Tho I am aware of some dance clubs that are trying to revive that whole era, not just the chatter but the music, dance and wardrobe as well ... The more things change.... etc. -- j nemo me impune lacessit 'Quis custodiet ipsos custodiates?'
The Monday 2005-01-03 at 13:32 -0500, jfweber@bellsouth.net wrote:
yes, there certainly is a term "gang" , w/ good and bad connotations .. but generally it's a non sexist greeting to a group of people where one is, at least relatively, a known personality. And is rather less annoying than to have a bunch of pre teens call you one of their "peeps"
English evolves rather quickly. Each generation seems to put a spin on it in several ways. Some words last, some make it into the dictionary and some just disappear ... ' Hep Cat" hasn't been heard in general conversation lately, for instance.
Interesting :-) However... those changes are difficult to follow for those of us whose first language is not English - and in a list such as this, we are a lot. For example, I have no idea what "Hep Cat" might mean, but "hi gang" I think I understood, no offense taken. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
On Monday 03 January 2005 05:35 pm, Randall R Schulz wrote:
What's the problem with KMail? It supports both SMTP/POP and IMAP. Why wouldn't it work with available free email providers?
Kmail works fine with Gmail best rgds ___________
Rccardo, On Monday 03 January 2005 10:04, riccardo wrote:
On Monday 03 January 2005 05:35 pm, Randall R Schulz wrote:
What's the problem with KMail? It supports both SMTP/POP and IMAP. Why wouldn't it work with available free email providers?
__________________
Kmail works fine with Gmail
Really? The last time I checked (several months ago, now), Google was still deciding whether or not to allow non-Web-based access to GMail. Ah... So it does. Well, now GMail might be useful. I can't stand Web interfaces to mail and bug databases and such. They're just way too clunky for me. The technical details can be found at http://gmail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=13287, but only if you first log in to your GMail account. You _do_ have a GMail account, don't you? Randall Schulz
On Monday 03 January 2005 06:29 pm, Randall R Schulz wrote:
You _do_ have a GMail account, don't you?
correct the tech-details :- __________________ You can use the following information to configure POP. If you encounter difficulties, we suggest contacting your mail client's customer support department for further instructions. Incoming Mail (POP3) Server requires SSL: pop.gmail.com Use SSL: Yes Port: 995 ................................. Outgoing Mail (SMTP) Server requires TLS: smtp.gmail.com (use authentication) Use Authentication: Yes Use STARTTLS: Yes (some clients call this SSL) Port: 465 or 587 .................................. Account Name: your Gmail username (including '@gmail.com') Email Address: your full Gmail email address (username@gmail.com) Password: your Gmail password ............................................. best rgds _________
On Monday 03 January 2005 08:29, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Rccardo,
On Monday 03 January 2005 10:04, riccardo wrote:
On Monday 03 January 2005 05:35 pm, Randall R Schulz wrote:
What's the problem with KMail? It supports both SMTP/POP and IMAP. Why wouldn't it work with available free email providers?
__________________
Kmail works fine with Gmail
Really? The last time I checked (several months ago, now), Google was still deciding whether or not to allow non-Web-based access to GMail.
Ah... So it does. Well, now GMail might be useful. I can't stand Web interfaces to mail and bug databases and such. They're just way too clunky for me.
The technical details can be found at http://gmail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=13287, but only if you first log in to your GMail account. You _do_ have a GMail account, don't you?
What are the advantages of having a Gmail account? Jerome
Randall Schulz
On Monday 03 January 2005 08:29, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Rccardo, <snip> What are the advantages of having a Gmail account? Jerome a whole lot of storrage for folk like us who often know there is an email w/
Headers_ to_ forward_ to list_ owner: all MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501051542.07948@list-spammer> On Wednesday 05 January 2005 12:47 pm, Susemail wrote: the answer someone else needs... but searching is not what most email proggys to best... Google has , they say, fixed that and it uses Google's search engine techniques to do those searches. Should be more productive in the long run that going thru 50 dvd's of email one at a time .... <g> -- j nemo me impune lacessit 'Quis custodiet ipsos custodiates?'
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 07:47:42 -1000, Susemail
What are the advantages of having a Gmail account? Jerome
1. The best web interface I have ever seen 2. 1GB space 3. free POP3/SMTP (secured) 4. free forwarding 5. The idea of labels instead of folders is pretty neat Cheers Sunny -- Get Firefox http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=10745&t=85
you can't delete any mail for now!
--- Sunny
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 07:47:42 -1000, Susemail
wrote: What are the advantages of having a Gmail account? Jerome
1. The best web interface I have ever seen 2. 1GB space 3. free POP3/SMTP (secured) 4. free forwarding 5. The idea of labels instead of folders is pretty neat
Cheers Sunny
-- Get Firefox
http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=10745&t=85
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* MindBender
you can't delete any mail for now!
Sure you can, but you must do it from "All Mail". Please, trim your quotes and refrain from "top posting". thanks, -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos
On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 09:47, Susemai
What are the advantages of having a Gmail account? Jerome
The same I have with www.bluebottle.com large space pop access. Ditto with www.myrealbox.com when they reopen signups. --
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HI all.... On Monday 03 January 2005 18:35, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Jim,
On Monday 03 January 2005 09:52, James Hatridge wrote:
Hi gang!
We are a society! Not a gang!!
"High Society"?
Does anyone on this list use a free email service in Germany (gmx for example) with Kmail? I have not been able to find one that will work with Kmail and the !"§$! Epost service is ending March 1.
What's the problem with KMail? It supports both SMTP/POP and IMAP. Why wouldn't it work with available free email providers?
I've tried Freenet, GMX, and Lycos. All three rejects my password or username. Each time saying that one or the other is bad. I contacted Lycos and they just bluntly said that I either had to "upgrade" to IE or pay for "special" services. Is the free email at yahoo only web-based? Also I'll check out freemail, never heard of it before. Thanks everyone, JIM -- Jim Hatridge Linux User #88484 ------------------------------------------------------ WartHog Bulletin Info about new German Stamps http://www.fuzzybunnymilitia.org/~hatridge/bulletin/index.php Viel Feind -- Viel Ehr' Anti-US Propaganda stamp collection http://www.fuzzybunnymilitia.org/~hatridge/collection/index.php
Jim, On Monday 03 January 2005 12:18, James Hatridge wrote:
HI all....
On Monday 03 January 2005 18:35, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Jim,
On Monday 03 January 2005 09:52, James Hatridge wrote:
Hi gang!
We are a society! Not a gang!!
"High Society"?
The highest...
...
What's the problem with KMail? It supports both SMTP/POP and IMAP. Why wouldn't it work with available free email providers?
I've tried Freenet, GMX, and Lycos. All three rejects my password or username. Each time saying that one or the other is bad. I contacted Lycos and they just bluntly said that I either had to "upgrade" to IE or pay for "special" services.
When you configured the new Receiving account, did you go to the "Extras" tab and click the "Check What the Server Supports" button? This will make sure KMail's server interaction options are consistent with the server's capabilities. I don't believe there's anything about "IE" (actually, Outlook or Outlook Express, I assume) that makes it uniquely acceptable for these email providers.
...
JIM
Randall Schulz
The Monday 2005-01-03 at 12:03 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
I don't believe there's anything about "IE" (actually, Outlook or Outlook Express, I assume) that makes it uniquely acceptable for these email providers.
There are some mail accounts out there without POP access, but they accept being downloaded by Outlook, somehow. Otherwise, they only work with web access. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
* Carlos E. R.
There are some mail accounts out there without POP access, but they accept being downloaded by Outlook, somehow. Otherwise, they only work with web access.
Ah, but I get yahoo mail and hotmail via perl scripts, fetchyahoo and gotmail, and have had no problems. I have both deliver to procmail. fetchyahoo runs as a daemon and gotmail via cron. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos
The Wednesday 2005-01-05 at 22:06 -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R.
[01-05-05 21:56]: There are some mail accounts out there without POP access, but they accept being downloaded by Outlook, somehow. Otherwise, they only work with web access.
Ah, but I get yahoo mail and hotmail via perl scripts, fetchyahoo and gotmail, and have had no problems. I have both deliver to procmail. fetchyahoo runs as a daemon and gotmail via cron.
Ah, yes. I knew by hearsay, I don't have accounts there, couldn't be precise. However, think yahoo.es (not .com) does allow pop (I could be mistaken and be hotmail.es). Now and then people ask precisely how to download from those servers in linux. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
On 04:32 Thu 06 Jan , Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Wednesday 2005-01-05 at 22:06 -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R.
[01-05-05 21:56]: There are some mail accounts out there without POP access, but they accept being downloaded by Outlook, somehow. Otherwise, they only work with web access.
Ah, but I get yahoo mail and hotmail via perl scripts, fetchyahoo and gotmail, and have had no problems. I have both deliver to procmail. fetchyahoo runs as a daemon and gotmail via cron.
Ah, yes. I knew by hearsay, I don't have accounts there, couldn't be precise. However, think yahoo.es (not .com) does allow pop (I could be mistaken and be hotmail.es). Now and then people ask precisely how to download from those servers in linux.
-- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
Is there a good how-to, somewhere? -- ..."Yogi" CH Namasté Yoga Studio
* C Hamel
On 04:32 Thu 06 Jan , Carlos E. R. wrote:
Ah, yes. I knew by hearsay, I don't have accounts there, couldn't be precise. However, think yahoo.es (not .com) does allow pop (I could be mistaken and be hotmail.es). Now and then people ask precisely how to download from those servers in linux.
Is there a good how-to, somewhere?
For what? The scripts are simple and for the most part self explanatory, if that is what you mean. goggle will reveal the script locations, I believe that both are on sf.net (fetchyahoo and gotmail). If you cannot figure them out, ask questions here and you will receive assistance. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Wednesday 2005-01-05 at 22:06 -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R.
[01-05-05 21:56]: There are some mail accounts out there without POP access, but they accept being downloaded by Outlook, somehow. Otherwise, they only work with web access.
Ah, but I get yahoo mail and hotmail via perl scripts, fetchyahoo and gotmail, and have had no problems. I have both deliver to procmail. fetchyahoo runs as a daemon and gotmail via cron.
Ah, yes. I knew by hearsay, I don't have accounts there, couldn't be precise. However, think yahoo.es (not .com) does allow pop (I could be mistaken and be hotmail.es). Now and then people ask precisely how to download from those servers in linux.
I have pop3 and web access plus e-mail forwarding in Yahoo Brasil http://login.yahoo.com/config/mail?.intl=br As a new feature, there are also 'disposable' e-mails (accounts) - the ideia is to use it when someone asks your e-mail (forms around the Inet) and you suspect they will send spam to you. When it take place, simply close it. I must say I'm really happy with these free services. And now with 250 MB, my smile is so big that almost reach my ears :-) -- Marcos Lazarini
* Marcos Vinicius Lazarini
I have pop3 and web access plus e-mail forwarding in Yahoo Brasil http://login.yahoo.com/config/mail?.intl=br As a new feature, there are also 'disposable' e-mails (accounts) - the ideia is to use it when someone asks your e-mail (forms around the Inet) and you suspect they will send spam to you. When it take place, simply close it.
I must say I'm really happy with these free services. And now with 250 MB, my smile is so big that almost reach my ears :-)
Yes, but in the US, yahoo provides free 250mb mail-box, but pop is $$$ unless you use a cheater script as I referred earlier. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos
The Thursday 2005-01-06 at 21:59 -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
Yes, but in the US, yahoo provides free 250mb mail-box, but pop is $$$ unless you use a cheater script as I referred earlier.
¿I wonder why that difference? -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
El Mié 05 Ene 2005 22:06, Patrick Shanahan escribió:
Ah, but I get yahoo mail and hotmail via perl scripts, fetchyahoo and gotmail, and have had no problems. I have both deliver to procmail. fetchyahoo runs as a daemon and gotmail via cron.
I run hotwayd through xinetd. It is a proxy to allow POP access to Hotmail and MSN accounts. Keeps some users happy. -- Andreas Philipp Noema Ltda. Bogotá, D.C. - Colombia
On Monday 03 January 2005 3:18 pm, James Hatridge wrote:
Is the free email at yahoo only web-based? Also I'll check out freemail, never heard of it before.
check out sourceforge.net and look for freepops. I have it configured and working with Yahoo in Kmail. -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800 X-Request-PGP: http://home.comcast.net/~p.cartwright/wsb/key.asc
James Hatridge wrote:
Hi gang!
Does anyone on this list use a free email service in Germany (gmx for example) with Kmail? I have not been able to find one that will work with Kmail and the !"§$! Epost service is ending March 1.
Thanks,
JIM
PS My darling wife will not let me pay a pf for email as long as there is even one free service in the whole !"§$ world. :(
Of course not. The reason free email companies exist is so that you will view advertisements. You can probably get email with whatever ISP you use... other then that, good luck finding free email without adverts. One other option is to set up your own domain name and configure your own email server off of it... -- Warm regards, Jordan Michaels Vivio Technologies http://www.viviotech.net/ jordan@viviotech.net
Well, well, well! I am using Freemail, Freenet and Yahoo and all of it with pop3, Freemail even with SSL. And I can't remember to ever have had a severe problem except that the service hasn't allways been available (and this is even a long time ago). Since I am using pop3 I am "only" getting advertisements as mails and nothing else. Of cause I have some restrictions which are no more than 500 emails at a time stored on the server or - what is it - 10 MB max eMail size and whatsoever. This has seldome become any subject as of having to cope with it. So, I can't why you should send your money into the rubbish bin (just support your wife, not knowing her or you). :-D So get going and have fun Martin James Hatridge wrote:
Hi gang!
Does anyone on this list use a free email service in Germany (gmx for example) with Kmail? I have not been able to find one that will work with Kmail and the !"§$! Epost service is ending March 1.
Thanks,
JIM
PS My darling wife will not let me pay a pf for email as long as there is even one free service in the whole !"§$ world. :(
On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:52:41 +0100, James Hatridge
Hi gang!
Does anyone on this list use a free email service in Germany (gmx for example) with Kmail? I have not been able to find one that will work with Kmail and the !"§$! Epost service is ending March 1.
1. GMX -- that is a fine service. Note that you will have to setup your client so that the username is user@domain.tld and __not__ just username. If you decide to use their SMTP all your emails will get a little text add attached. You might also setup your own SMTP server, providing that your ISP is not blocking that. 2. You might want to consider metawire.org -- an OpenBSD community that, among other things, gives a small, but powerful, no add no nonsense email account. You will have to behave over there, and try not to misuse the trust they put into you when giving you a free shell account. 3. http://www.kaski-net.net/ -- see with Samuli whether he would be willing to give you an account. You will get a fine webspace, and email, and all that with no adds and additional charges. You will have to put some quality stuff on your webpage. 4. gmail just seems to be working. Hope it helps.
participants (21)
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Andreas Philipp
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C Hamel
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Carl William Spitzer IV
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Carlos E. R.
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christopher.kwasneski@yuma.army.mil
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James Hatridge
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James Knott
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jfweber@bellsouth.net
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Jordan Michaels
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Marcos Vinicius Lazarini
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Martin Deppe
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MindBender
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Patrick Shanahan
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Paul Cartwright
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Predrag Micakovic
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Randall R Schulz
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riccardo
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Sunny
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Susemail
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Ted.Harding@nessie.mcc.ac.uk
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Terence McCarthy