Hi,
In configuration of Desktop KDE 4.x/All Effects shortcuts appears the term meta, what means it and how can I activated?
Thank Thadeu
On Saturday 09 August 2008 13:03:32 Jose Thadeu Cavalcante wrote:
Hi,
In configuration of Desktop KDE 4.x/All Effects shortcuts appears the term meta, what means it and how can I activated?
It depends a bit on your keyboard layout, but usually, "meta" is the "alt" key on your keyboard
Anders
On Saturday 09 August 2008 08:07:24 Anders Johansson wrote:
On Saturday 09 August 2008 13:03:32 Jose Thadeu Cavalcante wrote:
Hi,
In configuration of Desktop KDE 4.x/All Effects shortcuts appears the term meta, what means it and how can I activated?
It depends a bit on your keyboard layout, but usually, "meta" is the "alt" key on your keyboard
Anders
How can I know what the key is the meta? Thadeu
On Saturday 09 August 2008 06:07, Jose Thadeu Cavalcante wrote:
On Saturday 09 August 2008 08:07:24 Anders Johansson wrote:
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It depends a bit on your keyboard layout, but usually, "meta" is the "alt" key on your keyboard
Anders
How can I know what the key is the meta? Thadeu
See the problem with bottom posting? You get the question _after_ the answer!
RRS
On Saturday 09 August 2008 10:35:50 Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Saturday 09 August 2008 06:07, Jose Thadeu Cavalcante wrote:
On Saturday 09 August 2008 08:07:24 Anders Johansson wrote:
...
It depends a bit on your keyboard layout, but usually, "meta" is the "alt" key on your keyboard
Anders
How can I know what the key is the meta? Thadeu
See the problem with bottom posting? You get the question _after_ the answer!
RRS
Hi,
My last question is because I test Looking Glass Effect that show Meta+0, Meta+= and Meta+- as shortcut, but does not work when I used Alt as Meta key. Then I change Meta to Alt and now is work. There several options using meta and I do not like to reconfigure all the options. Thadeu
On Saturday 09 August 2008 09:00:29 am Jose Thadeu Cavalcante wrote: ...
My last question is because I test Looking Glass Effect that show Meta+0, Meta+= and Meta+- as shortcut, but does not work when I used Alt as Meta key. Then I change Meta to Alt and now is work. There several options using meta and I do not like to reconfigure all the options. Thadeu
Check one or 2 other entries did they start to work as expected after you configure them. It can be another case like described in this report: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=415270
Basically, I understand that as there is difference in setting applied by program and the one that user can see as preset (default). As I don't know how that works in any KDE version, I would add comment to this bug report and look for comment from developers what to do.
Sat, 09 Aug 2008, by josethadeu@gmail.com:
On Saturday 09 August 2008 08:07:24 Anders Johansson wrote:
On Saturday 09 August 2008 13:03:32 Jose Thadeu Cavalcante wrote:
Hi,
In configuration of Desktop KDE 4.x/All Effects shortcuts appears the term meta, what means it and how can I activated?
It depends a bit on your keyboard layout, but usually, "meta" is the "alt" key on your keyboard
Anders
How can I know what the key is the meta?
Run 'xev' For my keyboard ("PC Sunshine KB-6868 105 key (XFree86; US)") the Shift-Alt keys act as Meta-L and Meta-R
KeyPress event, serial 31, synthetic NO, window 0x4200001, root 0x4c, subw 0x0, time 2881388899, (173,-12), root:(884,502), state 0x10, keycode 50 (keysym 0xffe1, Shift_L), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 bytes: XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes: XFilterEvent returns: False
KeyPress event, serial 31, synthetic NO, window 0x4200001, root 0x4c, subw 0x0, time 2881389372, (173,-12), root:(884,502), state 0x11, keycode 64 (keysym 0xffe7, Meta_L), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 bytes: XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes: XFilterEvent returns: False
KeyPress event, serial 31, synthetic NO, window 0x4200001, root 0x4c, subw 0x0, time 2881392928, (173,-12), root:(884,502), state 0x10, keycode 50 (keysym 0xffe1, Shift_L), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 bytes: XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes: XFilterEvent returns: False
KeyPress event, serial 31, synthetic NO, window 0x4200001, root 0x4c, subw 0x0, time 2881394743, (173,-12), root:(884,502), state 0x11, keycode 113 (keysym 0xffe8, Meta_R), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 bytes: XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes: XFilterEvent returns: False
Without Shift the keys are just Alt-L and Alt-R
KeyRelease event, serial 31, synthetic NO, window 0x4200001, root 0x4c, subw 0x0, time 2881566636, (404,179), root:(1115,693), state 0x18, keycode 64 (keysym 0xffe9, Alt_L), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 bytes: XFilterEvent returns: False
KeyPress event, serial 31, synthetic NO, window 0x4200001, root 0x4c, subw 0x0, time 2881568535, (404,179), root:(1115,693), state 0x10, keycode 113 (keysym 0xffea, Alt_R), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 bytes: XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes: XFilterEvent returns: False
Notice that the keycodes stay the same with or without Shift, but the keysym values change.
Theo
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 4:07 AM, Anders Johansson ajohansson@suse.de wrote:
On Saturday 09 August 2008 13:03:32 Jose Thadeu Cavalcante wrote:
Hi,
In configuration of Desktop KDE 4.x/All Effects shortcuts appears the term meta, what means it and how can I activated?
It depends a bit on your keyboard layout, but usually, "meta" is the "alt" key on your keyboard
This is a design flaw inflicted by programmers upon users if you ask me.
Instead of using the generic term "Meta" and expecting users to remember what they set as the "meta" why not just look up what the meta key is and show the Key combo as Alt +0, or Left-Shift +0 or whatever?
An additional layer of indirection is fine for the software, adds flexibility, yadda, yadda. But the labels should state the current actual values rather than the indirection vector.
This is all just my ghrflit, you understand.
Note: "ghrflit" is a meta definition, the current alue of which is the 7 character ASCII value "Opinion". See how silly it is?
It depends a bit on your keyboard layout, but usually, "meta" is the "alt" key on your keyboard
Usually "meta" is the "Windows"/"Start" key and I think it's the "Apple" key on an Apple keyboard. This is why it's called "meta", I never thought it was a great name, anyone want to come up with a better name? :)
henare
* Henare Degan henare.degan@gmail.com [08-09-08 21:42]:
It depends a bit on your keyboard layout, but usually, "meta" is the "alt" key on your keyboard
Usually "meta" is the "Windows"/"Start" key and I think it's the "Apple" key on an Apple keyboard. This is why it's called "meta", I never thought it was a great name, anyone want to come up with a better name? :)
You may *occasionally* find it that way, but from *way* back, the <alt> key has traditionally been the substitute for the "meta" key on a pc keyboard which didn't have a "meta" key. Sometimes it is the <esc> key.
Henare Degan wrote:
It depends a bit on your keyboard layout, but usually, "meta" is the "alt" key on your keyboard
Usually "meta" is the "Windows"/"Start" key and I think it's the "Apple" key on an Apple keyboard. This is why it's called "meta", I never thought it was a great name, anyone want to come up with a better name? :)
"Any" key? ;-)
Am Sonntag, 10. August 2008 03:40:26 schrieb Henare Degan:
It depends a bit on your keyboard layout, but usually, "meta" is the "alt" key on your keyboard
Usually "meta" is the "Windows"/"Start" key and I think it's the "Apple" key on an Apple keyboard. This is why it's called "meta", I never thought it was a great name, anyone want to come up with a better name? :)
Yeah, that was my first thought too.
Alt should be named Alt. Meta (and I saw it at least once reffered as "Super")-key is the key with the windows logo/tux penguin/Apple thingi.
Greetings Michael
* M. Skiba mailinglist@michael-skiba.de [08-09-08 22:26]:
Am Sonntag, 10. August 2008 03:40:26 schrieb Henare Degan:
It depends a bit on your keyboard layout, but usually, "meta" is the "alt" key on your keyboard
Usually "meta" is the "Windows"/"Start" key and I think it's the "Apple" key on an Apple keyboard. This is why it's called "meta", I never thought it was a great name, anyone want to come up with a better name? :)
Yeah, that was my first thought too.
Alt should be named Alt. Meta (and I saw it at least once reffered as "Super")-key is the key with the windows logo/tux penguin/Apple thingi.
There is/was a "meta" key long before there was a windoz. The windoz key is a convience added just as the cd/dvd tray eject and volume and email and other *convience* keys added to ?enhance? the windoz world.
My keyboard has no "windoz" key, it was manufactured prior to windows.
from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta_key
The Meta key was a special key on old MIT computer keyboards, such as the Space-cadet keyboard. Sun keyboards continue to include a Meta key, marked as a solid diamond.
The key may be considered equivalent to the Macintosh's command key, which has the same location and similar function. On modern keyboards, it is usually emulated with Alt key or with the Windows key. As an alternative in some programs, Meta key is emulated by pressing and releasing the Esc key (see Emacs).
The Compose key is sometimes known as a "meta key".
btw, my keyboard is an "Anykey" board labled Gateway2000 manufactured in 1992 completely programmable containing it's own memory and processor and two sets of 12 function keys. With no meta key unless I assign one or operating system software assigns one, and then it is a substitute.
Hello,
On Sat, 09 Aug 2008, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Saturday 09 August 2008 13:03:32 Jose Thadeu Cavalcante wrote:
Hi,
In configuration of Desktop KDE 4.x/All Effects shortcuts appears the term meta, what means it and how can I activated?
It depends a bit on your keyboard layout, but usually, "meta" is the "alt" key on your keyboard
Alt != Meta
But, yes, the left Alt key is often (wrongly) used as Meta. man xkeycaps is (or was) rather explicit:
==== man 1x xkeycaps ==== S.u.S.E. Linux is even more screwed up than HP [..] First, their default keymap has the Control modifier attached to both the Control key and the Multi_key. This is completely crazy, because not only is Multi_key not a control key, it's not even a chording key! It mustn't have any modifier bits attached to it at all.
Second, they attach Mod1 to Meta_L and also to Alt_R. Some people think that ``meta'' and ``alt'' are synonyms, but the fact is that the X Window System does not agree. Those are distinct keys. It's possible to have both ``meta'' and ``alt'' keys on the keyboard at the same time, and to have programs interpret them distinctly. But of course only if they don't bogusly share the same modi fier bit, making the interpretation of that bit be ambigu ous. [there's more yet] ====
BTW: I don't have any modifiers attached to the Multi_key (aka Compose), and it works just as it's supposed to.
For example, in Emacs Alt (A-) is distinct from Meta (M-).
$ egrep 'Alt|Meta' ~/.Xmodmap keycode 64 = Alt_L keycode 113 = Alt_R keycode 117 = Meta_R add Mod1 = Meta_R add Mod3 = Alt_L Alt_R
Escape (which I additionally have on the Caps-Key) functions as Meta(_L) as well, at least in emacs etc.
And I have different functions attached to A-something and M-something in emacs, e.g.:
M-r runs `move-to-window-line' A-r runs `revert-buffer' C-r runs `isearch-backward' H-r is undefined
-dnh, the old Backronym in the sig has Meta _and_ Alt in there for a reason...
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