"Michael H. Collins" wrote:

I thought KDE has always been alpha.. I don't know how something that resembles M$ can be beautiful, but to each his own..

"Steven T. Hatton" wrote:

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YES! This is the future! This is cool! This is great! So what if it crashes, it's alpha! It's beautiful!

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Michael, The KDE is no more like Windows than it is like the CDE, GNOME, or Mac OS. When I started using the KDE there was no GTK to speek of, and no GNOME either. I've been using it for two years now, and it is quite reliable. certainly way above "alpha" quality software. The KDE2 adds many of the features we expect in a modern desk top, as well as some very slick look and feel features. I sure hope SuSE ships the lattest alpha with the next release. Is UT still infested with thoed d@mn black birds? Steve -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

It is with great regret that we announce that effective immediatly nebsllc.com is down for FTP, CVSUP, HTTP, RSYNC and other services. We have re-routed our mailling list services to our vertial host so all mail services will be unaffected. My email address remains molnarc@nebsllc.com. For the past 27 months we have been able to maintain our low cost internet feed by using AT&T's @HOME service. At 1pm EDT this afternoon someone took it upon themselves to report us to abuse@home.com. I was copied on the message so I did actually see it. It appears that there was not any malice towards my system, but rather towards the @home people who had shut down another server. Strangely enough they sent me an email warning message after they cut my connect. After some severe scrambling, blocking ports, etc. I was able to re-gain my outgoing connections I have a vertial server that I use for backup purposes only that I can re-route some of my activity towards. My current server (@home) contains over 32 Gig of files supporting various open source projects. Last month we transfered close to 112 Gig of files via FTP and close to 124 Gig of data via HTTP. I do not have any stats on this from Rsync or CVSUP. To maintain a server such as this on a commercial connection will cost me a minimum of $850 per month and this is not going to happen. Strangly enough if I where to run Windows I could get DSL service much cheaper at $199/month. Unfortunaly I hate winblows and won't run it. And I can not afford $850 per month. So the server goes. I will still compile my kde2 builds, someone just needs to give me a place to put it. The mailing lists will remain active. Unfortunatly all those getting cvsup feeds from me and rsync feeds from me need to find a new home. Please let me know if you have any questions. Chris -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

YES! Thanks to a generous space donation we are still here! Please thank MandrakeSoft for their server space to make these available! A new version of the KDE ALPHA binaries are available at nebsllc.com. Please read the README file in the same directory. Just in case you missed it "READ THE README" prior to doing anything! These binaries are built from CVS as of 05 Apr 2000 at 12:00pm Eastern Standard Time (-0500). Please bring all install questions to the un-official kde-alpha list at kde-alpha-request@nebsllc.com. Qt version 2.1.0 has been released. These binaries where built with the release package. You can get it here, or you can get it elsewhere, but you will need to upgrade. DEVELOPERS: the new QTDIR is /usr/lib/qt2. When you upgrade plese consider copying your old /opt/kde2 to an /opt/kde2.old directory and then installing. This way you have something to go back to. These files are available via ftp from: ftp://ftp.nebsllc.com/kde2 (only -bin.tar.bz2's and rpm's) -being uploaded now or via http at: http://www.nebsllc.com (follow links for kde2 Alpha binaries) http://www.mandrakesoft.com/~molnarc You will also be able to find these at (after a few days): http://www.htw-dresden.de/~s2697 The installs have been tested by me on a Mandrake 7.0 machine. They have also been reported to work on all other distributions. The rpm's are built with Mandrake 7.0. If you are not running the most recent version of rpm, I would suggest an upgrade. You will need to do a --force and a --nodeps on the rpm installs. If you are running prior Alpha's I highly recommend you update. There are a lot of fixes and some structural changes in the packages. You will also find Source tar.gz's in the same directory. -- -------------------------------------------------------- Christopher Molnar,RHCE New England Business Services, LLC Mandrake Software Aetna, Inc. Hartford, CT USA (860)956-9408 molnarc@nebsllc.com molnarc@mandrakesoft.com molnarc@aetna.com "It said uses Windows 95 or better, so I loaded Linux!" -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/