The Devil And The Deep Blue Sea(OT)
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On Wednesday 24 July 2002 04:51, you wrote:
The Devil And The Deep Blue Sea By Jon Lasser
Why Microsoft's Palladium project threatens to send Linux and open-source into exile.
Please do read this, everyone, and please could US readers consider any necessary political action. Best Fergus
Political action is futile in the UNited States. The corporations own the government, and they are no longer even discrete about it. Yesterday, a group of Congress vermin raised a bill that would allow media companies to hack your box if the suspected you of file sharing, and the fair use doctrine of the copyright code is being legislated away. This doesn't even take into effect the circus that the Microshit anti-trust trial is becoming or the DMCA. mg On Wednesday 24 July 2002 04:08, Fergus Wilde wrote:
On Wednesday 24 July 2002 04:51, you wrote:
The Devil And The Deep Blue Sea By Jon Lasser
Why Microsoft's Palladium project threatens to send Linux and open-source into exile.
Please do read this, everyone, and please could US readers consider any necessary political action.
Best Fergus
Political action is futile in the UNited States. The corporations own the government, and they are no longer even discrete about it. Yesterday, a group of Congress vermin raised a bill that would allow media companies to hack your box if the suspected you of file sharing, and the fair use doctrine of the copyright code is being legislated away. This doesn't even take into effect the circus that the Microshit anti-trust trial is becoming or
You know from the course of physics. Each applied force creates its counter force. If they ratify this bill, there is going to increased number of products and software to make your box more secure from the corporate hackers. Since M$ Winblows is inherently insecure and full of back doors OS, more people will look for protection in Linux. Alex ------------------- the DMCA.
mg
On Wednesday 24 July 2002 04:08, Fergus Wilde wrote:
On Wednesday 24 July 2002 04:51, you wrote:
The Devil And The Deep Blue Sea By Jon Lasser
Why Microsoft's Palladium project threatens to send Linux and open-source into exile.
Please do read this, everyone, and please could US readers
consider any
necessary political action.
Best Fergus
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On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 08:32:06 -0700
Alex Daniloff
You know from the course of physics. Each applied force creates its counter force. If they ratify this bill, there is going to increased number of products and software to make your box more secure from the corporate hackers. Since M$ Winblows is inherently insecure and full of back doors OS, more people will look for protection in Linux.
Yeah, I'm waiting for the time when MS gets so greedy that they start charging "Per minute" use fees for their OS. :-) Just put your credit card in the slot in the front of the computer, or it won't boot. And maybe have a "slot for quarters" to take schoolkid's lunch money. -- use Perl; #powerful programmable prestidigitation
Not really. So many people are so accustomed to the Blue Screen of Death, they don't know better. People are intimidated by just having a superuser and regular user login on their systems. On 25 Jul 2002 at 8:32, Alex Daniloff wrote:
Since M$ Winblows is inherently insecure and full of back doors OS, more people will look for protection in Linux.
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On Thursday 25 July 2002 15:58, mike wrote:
Political action is futile in the UNited States. The corporations own the government, and they are no longer even discrete about it. Yesterday, a group of Congress vermin raised a bill that would allow media companies to hack your box if the suspected you of file sharing, and the fair use doctrine of the copyright code is being legislated away. This doesn't even take into effect the circus that the Microshit anti-trust trial is becoming or the DMCA.
<very OT political comment> Isn't that state of affairs a result of the citizenry abnegating their power through disuse? </vOTpc> Seriously though... Could you briefly explain what 'trust' M$ is 'anti' in the US Legal sense? Don't get me wrong, I understand what the case is about and why it is important, but we don't (so far as I know) have 'anti-trust' as a legal concept/construct in the UK. I figure the closest we come might be legal restrictions on monopolies and cartels - is that a fair equivalent? Cheers Dylan
mg
On Wednesday 24 July 2002 04:08, Fergus Wilde wrote:
On Wednesday 24 July 2002 04:51, you wrote:
The Devil And The Deep Blue Sea By Jon Lasser
Why Microsoft's Palladium project threatens to send Linux and open-source into exile.
Please do read this, everyone, and please could US readers consider any necessary political action.
Best Fergus
Political action is NOT futile in the US. See, for instance, the action taken aginst corporate fraud. But Palladium is not going to be controlled by the government, as I understand it. It will be a Microsoft "standard" that computer manufacturers will "have" to build to. I'm not sure that government can deal with that, until it becomes a monopoly. And Sun, or someone, would have to sue. If I am misunderstanding the issue, please advise. (No, I am not pleased.) --doug At 10:58 07/25/2002 -0400, mike wrote:
Political action is futile in the UNited States. The corporations own the government, and they are no longer even discrete about it. Yesterday, a group of Congress vermin raised a bill that would allow media companies to hack your box if the suspected you of file sharing, and the fair use doctrine of the copyright code is being legislated away. This doesn't even take into effect the circus that the Microshit anti-trust trial is becoming or the DMCA.
mg
On Wednesday 24 July 2002 04:08, Fergus Wilde wrote:
On Wednesday 24 July 2002 04:51, you wrote:
The Devil And The Deep Blue Sea By Jon Lasser
Why Microsoft's Palladium project threatens to send Linux and open-source into exile.
Please do read this, everyone, and please could US readers consider any necessary political action.
Best Fergus
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The "action" against corporate greed is a ruse to mollify the sheeple. The most effect it will have is to weed out the crooks who are too stupid to get away with it while making it safe again for the successful robber barons. On Thursday 25 July 2002 21:42, Doug McGarrett wrote:
Political action is NOT futile in the US. See, for instance, the action taken aginst corporate fraud. But Palladium is not going to be controlled by the government, as I understand it. It will be a Microsoft "standard" that computer manufacturers will "have" to build to. I'm not sure that government can deal with that, until it becomes a monopoly. And Sun, or someone, would have to sue. If I am misunderstanding the issue, please advise. (No, I am not pleased.) --doug
At 10:58 07/25/2002 -0400, mike wrote:
Political action is futile in the UNited States. The corporations own the government, and they are no longer even discrete about it. Yesterday, a group of Congress vermin raised a bill that would allow media companies to hack your box if the suspected you of file sharing, and the fair use
doctrine
of the copyright code is being legislated away. This doesn't even take into effect the circus that the Microshit anti-trust trial is becoming or the
DMCA.
mg
On Wednesday 24 July 2002 04:08, Fergus Wilde wrote:
On Wednesday 24 July 2002 04:51, you wrote:
The Devil And The Deep Blue Sea By Jon Lasser
Why Microsoft's Palladium project threatens to send Linux and open-source into exile.
Please do read this, everyone, and please could US readers consider any necessary political action.
Best Fergus
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Alle 03:42, venerdì 26 luglio 2002, Doug McGarrett ha scritto:
Political action is NOT futile in the US. See, for instance, the action taken aginst corporate fraud. But Palladium is not going to be controlled by the government, as I understand it. It will be a Microsoft "standard" that computer manufacturers will "have" to build to. <snip>
What I fail to understand is: how to force them? Why would not they make Palladium be disabled by a hardware switch? M$ & Palladium are bad, but those who will follow them without thinking are braindead. Praise
On Fri, 2002-07-26 at 14:39, Praise wrote:
Alle 03:42, venerdì 26 luglio 2002, Doug McGarrett ha scritto:
Political action is NOT futile in the US. See, for instance, the action taken aginst corporate fraud. But Palladium is not going to be controlled by the government, as I understand it. It will be a Microsoft "standard" that computer manufacturers will "have" to build to. <snip>
What I fail to understand is: how to force them? Why would not they make Palladium be disabled by a hardware switch? M$ & Palladium are bad, but those who will follow them without thinking are braindead.
And that accounts for approximately 90% of the computer literate population ;-) -tosi
On Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:39:11 +0200
Praise
M$ & Palladium are bad, but those who will follow them without thinking are braindead.
I agree, but this is is NOT an argument against Palladium- let's face it, how many techno-illiterates/pork barrel dippers (not always the same people!) are there out there? It's enough that there are already too many in various legislatures around the place to take the corporate bread and circuses, along with their "logical arguments" why their rapacious grasp should continue, and, indeed, expand, to stop the movement. The only hope is that (a) the lead time is such that it will be overtaken by events and/or (b) the demand for non-Palladium kit remains high enough for the non-Pallidium-handcuffed alternative market to survive anyway. What Gates forgets, I think, is that the USA is not the world, and there are existing and expanding markets, as well as some mature markets, where M$ is, or becoming anathema. Can you see China accepting it? Which country already makes a vast amount of IT kit? Where will we buy our non-Pallidium kit? I'd bet it doesn't make it (win or place). Terence
Recently the Belgian mass circulation newpaper 'De Standaard' described Palladium as 'Windows 1984'. Spread this nickname around and see what happens! Basil Fowler
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mike wrote:
Political action is futile in the UNited States. The corporations own the government, and they are no longer even discrete about it. Yesterday, a group of Congress vermin raised a bill that would allow media companies to hack your box if the suspected you of file sharing, and the fair use doctrine of the copyright code is being legislated away. This doesn't even take into effect the circus that the Microshit anti-trust trial is becoming or the DMCA.
mg
And next we will use our various forms of muscle to pressure other governments to implement our laws in their countries. Enjoy the benefits of capitalism everybody! _____________________ Christopher R. Carlen crobc@earthlink.net Suse 7.3 Linux 2.4.10
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Basil Fowler -
Chris Carlen -
Doug McGarrett -
Dylan -
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Fred A. Miller -
Jerry Feldman -
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mike -
Praise -
Terence McCarthy -
Tor Sigurdsson -
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