Last night I saw on http://ximian.com/ that Ximian Desktop 2 was released for SuSE 9. Being the inquisitive type, I logged into Gnome and installed it. Everything went well... there were a couple issues with permissions, but everything seemed to work fine. In the installation process I was asked if I wanted to replace kdm with gdm, and I said yes. Later, I ran Online Update through YaST. It notified me of a patch for gdm, so I went ahead and installed it. Upon reboot, I discovered that the Session Manager was completely scrambled. Trying to log into any non-kde wm actually brings me into kde. (for example, I click on "Session", select gnome (ximian) then log in and get put into KDE) The only way I can get back into gnome is by selecting "Fail Safe Gnome" So, how can I change this behavior? I'm guessing that there's a config file somewhere that's been scrambled, but so far I haven't been able to find it. Thanks, Mike
On Mon, 2003-12-22 at 15:20, Mike Evans wrote:
Last night I saw on http://ximian.com/ that Ximian Desktop 2 was released for SuSE 9. Being the inquisitive type, I logged into Gnome and installed it.
Everything went well... there were a couple issues with permissions, but everything seemed to work fine. In the installation process I was asked if I wanted to replace kdm with gdm, and I said yes.
Later, I ran Online Update through YaST. It notified me of a patch for gdm, so I went ahead and installed it. Upon reboot, I discovered that the Session Manager was completely scrambled. Trying to log into any non-kde wm actually brings me into kde. (for example, I click on "Session", select gnome (ximian) then log in and get put into KDE) The only way I can get back into gnome is by selecting "Fail Safe Gnome"
So, how can I change this behavior? I'm guessing that there's a config file somewhere that's been scrambled, but so far I haven't been able to find it.
Well, I've already got GDM as my display manager, and I'm installing XD2 now. I'll have a look at the relevant files when it's done. For now, though, have a look at /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager, and check that it lines up with your expectations. Regards Peter. -- Peter Whysall <peter.whysall@ntlworld.com>
On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 08:16, Peter Whysall wrote:
On Mon, 2003-12-22 at 15:20, Mike Evans wrote:
Last night I saw on http://ximian.com/ that Ximian Desktop 2 was released for SuSE 9. Being the inquisitive type, I logged into Gnome and installed it.
Everything went well... there were a couple issues with permissions, but everything seemed to work fine. In the installation process I was asked if I wanted to replace kdm with gdm, and I said yes.
Later, I ran Online Update through YaST. It notified me of a patch for gdm, so I went ahead and installed it. Upon reboot, I discovered that the Session Manager was completely scrambled. Trying to log into any non-kde wm actually brings me into kde. (for example, I click on "Session", select gnome (ximian) then log in and get put into KDE) The only way I can get back into gnome is by selecting "Fail Safe Gnome"
So, how can I change this behavior? I'm guessing that there's a config file somewhere that's been scrambled, but so far I haven't been able to find it.
Well, I've already got GDM as my display manager, and I'm installing XD2 now. I'll have a look at the relevant files when it's done.
For now, though, have a look at /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager, and check that it lines up with your expectations.
Further adventures! Well, I've installed XD2 on two 9.0 boxes now and the results have varied. Box #1: Cordelia, my desktop system. Dell Dimension 8300, lots of CPU, memory and disk. Previously had an installation of GNOME 2.4 from the packages provided by SuSE. Installation was clean once I removed gcalctool, gpdf and zenity. No problems after installation with the exception that the default session switched back to KDE. Switching the session to GNOME produced a successful login. Oddly enough, all my web-browser plugins went wayward. This system was using GDM before installing XD2. We're up and at 'em with his system. Box #2: Vortex, a scratch system. Dell OptiPlex GX1, 400MHz CPU, 256MB, 6GB. No previous GNOME installation, KDE as installed by default SuSE 9.0 installation process. Installation was flawless. The installer successfully changed the display manager from KDM to GDM. Logging in produced problems - "Your preference files are in use!". Neat trick, considering the box was freshly rebooted. Click on, and another dialogue informs me that gconf can't get to /etc/opt/gnome/gconf/preconf/gconf.schemas.default. Well, it's not there. So I mkdir it, rpm -qf it (to identify the package that owns the file), and reinstall the gconf2 package from /var/cache/redcarpet/packages. This successfully creates the preconf directory and populates it. Still can't log in. Error message gone, but now the box just sits there when you try to log in. After some headscratching, I take the thermonuclear option: cd /var/cache/redcarpet/packages rpm -ivh --force *.rpm This takes some time, as you can imagine. However, this DOES fix the problem. Obviously the gconf stuff hadn't installed correctly first time round. We're now cooking on gas with Vortex. Everything seems to be as required on these two systems now, with one minor nit - my pretty X cursor theme has gone wayward, and I don't know how to get it back. The x-cursor-blueprint package is still installed, but I'm a little flummoxed as to where I inform X as to which cursors to use. The web browser plugins thing was annoying, but nothing more than that. The bottom line is this: XD2's installer is 99% of the way there. However, that last 1% has proven to be a near-showstopper and a real showstopper. There's no way that an inexperienced user (i.e. the kind of people Ximian is aiming at) could have sorted out Vortex. Instead of choking on the dependencies during Cordelia's installation, it should have offered to remove those packages. And what of the end result? Well, I *really* like GNOME2.4 and I *really* like Ximian's interpretation of it. I'm moderately impressed with Red Carpet; its interface is definitely heading in the right direction as far as installing software with dependencies is concerned. (YaST and Synaptic are both still too complex in this regard.) The desktop is smooth and responsive; the Ximian build of Openoffice.org is particularly nice, with regular GNOME icons in the toolbars and Xft support for nice fonts. Everything feels like it fits together properly. The future looks good for XD on SuSE. They're both owned by the same parent company (Novell), and other than Red Hat, SuSE has by far and away the best stock GNOME desktop out there. All the big N has to do now is get Ximian and SuSE talking to each other. Hope this has been informative if not entertaining, Regards Peter. -- Peter Whysall <peter.whysall@ntlworld.com>
On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 19:02, Peter Whysall wrote:
Everything seems to be as required on these two systems now, with one minor nit - my pretty X cursor theme has gone wayward, and I don't know how to get it back. The x-cursor-blueprint package is still installed, but I'm a little flummoxed as to where I inform X as to which cursors to use. The web browser plugins thing was annoying, but nothing more than that.
Fixed! Run gconf-editor and edit the key /desktop/gnome/peripherals/mouse/cursor_theme to contain a string value, "blueprint-cursor-theme". Not beautiful, but it does work. Regards Peter. -- Peter Whysall <peter.whysall@ntlworld.com>
Peter Whysall wrote:
On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 08:16, Peter Whysall wrote:
On Mon, 2003-12-22 at 15:20, Mike Evans wrote:
Last night I saw on http://ximian.com/ that Ximian Desktop 2 was released for SuSE 9. Being the inquisitive type, I logged into Gnome and installed it.
Everything went well... there were a couple issues with permissions, but everything seemed to work fine. In the installation process I was asked if I wanted to replace kdm with gdm, and I said yes.
Later, I ran Online Update through YaST. It notified me of a patch for gdm, so I went ahead and installed it. Upon reboot, I discovered that the Session Manager was completely scrambled. Trying to log into any non-kde wm actually brings me into kde. (for example, I click on "Session", select gnome (ximian) then log in and get put into KDE) The only way I can get back into gnome is by selecting "Fail Safe Gnome"
So, how can I change this behavior? I'm guessing that there's a config file somewhere that's been scrambled, but so far I haven't been able to find it.
Well, I've already got GDM as my display manager, and I'm installing XD2 now. I'll have a look at the relevant files when it's done.
For now, though, have a look at /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager, and check that it lines up with your expectations.
Further adventures!
Well, I've installed XD2 on two 9.0 boxes now and the results have varied.
Box #1: Cordelia, my desktop system. Dell Dimension 8300, lots of CPU, memory and disk. Previously had an installation of GNOME 2.4 from the packages provided by SuSE. Installation was clean once I removed gcalctool, gpdf and zenity. No problems after installation with the exception that the default session switched back to KDE. Switching the session to GNOME produced a successful login. Oddly enough, all my web-browser plugins went wayward. This system was using GDM before installing XD2. We're up and at 'em with his system.
Box #2: Vortex, a scratch system. Dell OptiPlex GX1, 400MHz CPU, 256MB, 6GB. No previous GNOME installation, KDE as installed by default SuSE 9.0 installation process. Installation was flawless. The installer successfully changed the display manager from KDM to GDM. Logging in produced problems - "Your preference files are in use!". Neat trick, considering the box was freshly rebooted. Click on, and another dialogue informs me that gconf can't get to /etc/opt/gnome/gconf/preconf/gconf.schemas.default.
Well, it's not there. So I mkdir it, rpm -qf it (to identify the package that owns the file), and reinstall the gconf2 package from /var/cache/redcarpet/packages. This successfully creates the preconf directory and populates it.
Still can't log in. Error message gone, but now the box just sits there when you try to log in.
After some headscratching, I take the thermonuclear option:
cd /var/cache/redcarpet/packages rpm -ivh --force *.rpm
This takes some time, as you can imagine.
However, this DOES fix the problem. Obviously the gconf stuff hadn't installed correctly first time round.
Great going... I noticed that though I can login to Gnome - Failsafe I also don't have /etc/opt/gnome/gconf/preconf/ I'll try to do the same thing you did. On Vortex, have you had any luck in tracking down where gdm's configuration files (and Sessions directory) is? I'm finding my login process to be a real pain in the butt and would like to be able to login to the session I want. Thanks.
On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 19:35, Mike Evans wrote:
I noticed that though I can login to Gnome - Failsafe I also don't have /etc/opt/gnome/gconf/preconf/ I'll try to do the same thing you did.
Indeed. If you compare what SHOULD be provided by gconf2 and what IS present in the filesystem, I think you'll see a difference.
On Vortex, have you had any luck in tracking down where gdm's configuration files (and Sessions directory) is? I'm finding my login process to be a real pain in the butt and would like to be able to login to the session I want.
Look in /etc/opt/gnome/gdm/Sessions for the Gnome file. Mine's here: #!/bin/sh if [ "${0##*/}" != "Default" ]; then WINDOWMANAGER=${0##*/} else WINDOWMANAGER=gnome fi exec /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession $WINDOWMANAGER $GDM_LANG See how it sends stuff off to Xsession? Hope this sheds some light Regards Peter. -- Peter Whysall <peter.whysall@ntlworld.com>
Peter Whysall wrote:
And what of the end result?
Well, I *really* like GNOME2.4 and I *really* like Ximian's interpretation of it.
I thought that XD2 was still based on Gnome 2.2 and that the next release of Ximian Desktop will be based on Gnome 2.6 Note.. I haven't tried XD2 on SuSE 9 yet so I can't say for sure and could be mistaken.
On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 20:33, Avtar Gill wrote:
Peter Whysall wrote:
And what of the end result?
Well, I *really* like GNOME2.4 and I *really* like Ximian's interpretation of it.
I thought that XD2 was still based on Gnome 2.2 and that the next release of Ximian Desktop will be based on Gnome 2.6
Well blow me down, I think you're right. Testament to Ximian's packaging job, I'd say :-) Peter. -- Peter Whysall <peter.whysall@ntlworld.com>
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