Can anyone tell me where I can look for future releases of SuSE? OR Can someone tell me when the next release is expected? Thanks, Darrell
Darrell Cormier wrote:
Can anyone tell me where I can look for future releases of SuSE?
http://www.suse.com/ or http://www.suse.de/en/ or http://www.suse.de/
Can someone tell me when the next release is expected?
I've just started a rumour that 8.2 will be out on 31st April. ;-) -- JDL
On Tuesday 18 February 2003 11:39 am, John Lamb wrote:
Darrell Cormier wrote:
Can someone tell me when the next release is expected?
I've just started a rumour that 8.2 will be out on 31st April. ;-)
crafty -- but you have just as easily chosen april 1st -- it would actually be close to the expected time, and if it ends up being a different day, well, you could claim "april fools" on them :) [as best as I can tell, both SuSE and Redhat strive for 2 releases per year, one in the march/april timeframe, and the other in sept/october] -- Yet another Blog: http://osnut.homelinux.net
Tom Emerson wrote:
On Tuesday 18 February 2003 11:39 am, John Lamb wrote:
Darrell Cormier wrote:
Can someone tell me when the next release is expected?
I've just started a rumour that 8.2 will be out on 31st April. ;-)
crafty -- but you have just as easily chosen april 1st -- it would actually be close to the expected time, and if it ends up being a different day, well, you could claim "april fools" on them :)
[as best as I can tell, both SuSE and Redhat strive for 2 releases per year, one in the march/april timeframe, and the other in sept/october]
Thanks for everyones input. I'm sure I can hold off for another month or two before updating. D.C.
On Tuesday 18 February 2003 21:18, Darrell Cormier wrote:
Tom Emerson wrote:
On Tuesday 18 February 2003 11:39 am, John Lamb wrote:
Darrell Cormier wrote:
Can someone tell me when the next release is expected?
I've just started a rumour that 8.2 will be out on 31st April. ;-)
crafty -- but you have just as easily chosen april 1st -- it would actually be close to the expected time, and if it ends up being a different day, well, you could claim "april fools" on them :)
[as best as I can tell, both SuSE and Redhat strive for 2 releases per year, one in the march/april timeframe, and the other in sept/october]
Thanks for everyones input. I'm sure I can hold off for another month or two before updating.
D.C.
As I've been using(?) 8.1 for a month now - I bloody wish I had Paul M.
As I've been using(?) 8.1 for a month now - I bloody wish I had
Why? What is going to be in 8.2 (presumably) that makes it worth upgrading? Sure, maybe if you are running 7.x or earlier and want some newer "stuff" it makes sense. It also makes sense if you have a stability issue - say with 8.0 (not that I know of any issues with 8.0, but "point-oh" releases tend to be a bit more flakey than "point-one" or higher releases) or something. I'm really not trolling here, but I just don't see the point in hassling one's self about upgrading their OS every six months. Honestly, even MS doesn't do that. Sure, if you get a new box install the latest you have handy. But if you have a functioning machine and you aren't going through "rpm-hell" trying to install the latest version of <insert favorite package name here>, why bother? Most of the time you end up creating problems you didn't have previously. Just my two cents. -- John LeMay KC2KTH Senior Enterprise Consultant NJMC | http://www.njmc.com | Phone 732-557-4848 Specializing in Microsoft and Unix based solutions
On Tuesday 18 February 2003 2:59 pm, John LeMay wrote:
As I've been using(?) 8.1 for a month now - I bloody wish I had
Why?
Actually, in his case he "just started" with 8.1 a month ago -- if he knew (and could wait) another month or so he would have been able to "start with" the next version.
What is going to be in 8.2 (presumably) that makes it worth upgrading?
For the rest of us, however, there is improved "coherance" between packages. As someone else pointed out, something "outside" of SuSE's particular set of "goodies" comes along that needs or requires a later version of an intermediate package. *usually* SuSE has integrated that "intermediate" by the next release, saving you from doing the work of fitting in that package yourself.
I'm really not trolling here, but I just don't see the point in hassling one's self about upgrading their OS every six months. Honestly, even MS doesn't do that. Sure, if you get a new box install the latest you have handy. But if you have a functioning machine and you aren't going through "rpm-hell" trying to install the latest version of <insert favorite package name here>, why bother? Most of the time you end up creating problems you didn't have previously.
This might be a point in microsoft's favor in that release-to-release of MS doesn't "break" too many outside packages [note I said "too many", not "none at all" -- of course new releases break SOMETHING, but so long as what is "broken" isn't what you run, do you care? :) ] and, likewise, an "upgrade" of a third-party program doesn't alway "need" an upgrade of OS [unless the upgrade is in response to the new version of windows] Of course, the same thing IS true of linux -- most distributor-level "upgrades" don't break core functionality [things like "pine", for instance] but may break "leading edge" packages [evolution, for instance] and the converse is true as well -- pine can run on any "release" back to 1.0, while evolution can't devolve that far... ;) Unfortunately (for us) the ratio of "leading edge" to "core" linux programs is far greater than the same for windows, so the appearance is that windows upgrades [no longer] cause as much havoc while a linux upgrade is often dreaded... [ok, I'm starting to ramble a bit -- time to get some food] -- Yet another Blog: http://osnut.homelinux.net
On Tuesday 18 February 2003 5:59 pm, John LeMay wrote:
As I've been using(?) 8.1 for a month now - I bloody wish I had
Why? What is going to be in 8.2 (presumably) that makes it worth upgrading?
KDE 3.1 SuSEfied woudl be worth it to me. -- Bob Rea mailto:gapetard@stsams.org http://www.petard.us What do you say to Jesus when he comes again? Where have you been. You said you were coming right back.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 05:59:55PM -0500, John LeMay wrote: : >As I've been using(?) 8.1 for a month now - I bloody wish I had : : Why? What is going to be in 8.2 (presumably) that makes it worth : upgrading? Sure, maybe if you are running 7.x or earlier and want some A modern version of pilot-link that works with PalmOS 4.x devices (hopefully)... --Jerry Open-Source software isn't a matter of life or death... ...It's much more important than that!
If you have been reading this newsletter, or whatever it is, you would know that 8.1 was/is a dog and 8.0 was fairly stable. Who knows what the next version will be--I would stay with whatever works until the fallout occurs. -doug At 17:59 02/18/2003 -0500, John LeMay wrote:
As I've been using(?) 8.1 for a month now - I bloody wish I had
Why? What is going to be in 8.2 (presumably) that makes it worth upgrading? Sure, maybe if you are running 7.x or earlier and want some newer "stuff" it makes sense. It also makes sense if you have a stability issue - say with 8.0 (not that I know of any issues with 8.0, but "point-oh" releases tend to be a bit more flakey than "point-one" or higher releases) or something.
I'm really not trolling here, but I just don't see the point in hassling one's self about upgrading their OS every six months. Honestly, even MS doesn't do that. Sure, if you get a new box install the latest you have handy. But if you have a functioning machine and you aren't going through "rpm-hell" trying to install the latest version of <insert favorite package name here>, why bother? Most of the time you end up creating problems you didn't have previously.
Just my two cents.
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On Tuesday 18 February 2003 14:43, Doug McGarrett wrote:
If you have been reading this newsletter, or whatever it is, you would know that 8.1 was/is a dog and 8.0 was fairly stable. Who knows what the next version will be--I would stay with whatever works until the fallout occurs. -doug
Everybody who uses SuSE 8.1 try > cat /proc/version < and it explains why 8.1 is such a dog. -- /bill from 169 west , 19 south. (where the hell is that?). Please let me know if I didn't send this to you.
On Tuesday 18 February 2003 8:21 pm, Bill Wisse wrote:
Everybody who uses SuSE 8.1 try > cat /proc/version < and it explains why 8.1 is such a dog.
I'm running 8.1 and it seems to be "just fine" [actually better than 8.0 for a *particular* problem I had w/wireless cards, but that's beside the point] In any case, /proc/version doesn't show anything untoward, unless you consider the fact that it was compiled on a friday the 13th to be a bad thing? -- Yet another Blog: http://osnut.homelinux.net
On Tue, 2003-02-18 at 22:44, Tom Emerson wrote:
On Tuesday 18 February 2003 8:21 pm, Bill Wisse wrote:
Everybody who uses SuSE 8.1 try > cat /proc/version < and it explains why 8.1 is such a dog.
I'm running 8.1 and it seems to be "just fine" [actually better than 8.0 for a *particular* problem I had w/wireless cards, but that's beside the point] In any case, /proc/version doesn't show anything untoward, unless you consider the fact that it was compiled on a friday the 13th to be a bad thing?
Mine was recompiled on the 16th...I hope it was kidding about the 13th thing, only other thing some may complain about is Gcc3.2 Runs fine here... Matt
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If you have been reading this newsletter, or whatever it is, you would know that 8.1 was/is a dog and 8.0 was fairly stable. Who knows what the next version will be--I would stay with whatever works until the fallout occurs. -doug
although I'm the one that buys the thing as soon as it's announced;often before it's released, that is usually because I have specific hardware needs on the testbed that usually are resolved by the *next* version ... of course everyone knows the "next version of anything is supposed to be better than the last one." <G> However I do agree w/ Doug on the main portion of his argument , if you do not have a testbed to play w/ ,poke at, and perhaps restore the old version to get it running again, don't be the first on the block, it's that simple. On the home net and the places I manage they are using 8.0 and will until they don't have any more updates , I suppose. IIRC there were some listers still using 6.x versions when 8.0 came out.. and they were happy w/ that. I get most of my updates because I need the newer solutions for the test bed.. Also , I haven't had any trouble w/ 8.1 barring the fact that I needed to wait 3 weeks or so before some of the updates that were available in Europe got put on the SuSE(.com) site in the states. And I'm not entirely happy w/ the way it fails to keep records, of what it updates, sometimes... ( dunno why that is, but the automatic update and the manual one don't seem to play nicely together..) And it's sloooow to load the list of what's available... but if you are only doing one box you can make it work w/ only minor problems. Personally , I wouldn't want a network that I had to do anything, let alone everything, automagically , unless I knew each of the things that would be updated.. IT doesn't show a nice list as the yast2 updater in 8.0 did .. you have to dig thru the logs .. Not hard if it's your job, a bit of a problem for a casual user , perhaps . ( esp if you don't have access to them <G> ) the linux world is fast moving these days, and it must be hard for small(ish) companies to stay up w/ everything and get it all plonked into a box, manuals printed.. ( yeah , I know *real* linux users don't read .... manuals. sue me , I was at Art College, we learned to read ... ) And there is a lot of time in my life when I'd be bored stiff if I didn't have something tech to read. Started back in the earliest computer days , tubes and breadboards , and reams and reams of paper. Whole floors dedicated to THE computer .. and umpteen tons of air condiditioning... Any old NORAD guys here? <G> -- j afterthought: It's lonely at the top, but you eat better.
On Wed, Feb 19, jfweber@bellsouth.net wrote:
IIRC there were some listers still using 6.x versions when 8.0 came out.. and they were happy w/ that. I get most of my updates because I need the newer solutions for the test bed.. Also , I haven't had any trouble w/ 8.1 barring the fact that I needed to wait 3 weeks or so before some of the updates that were available in Europe got put on the SuSE(.com) site in the states.
This is impossible. We don't have different ftp servers for europe and the states, the master server is ftp.suse.com. Thorsten -- Thorsten Kukuk http://www.suse.de/~kukuk/ kukuk@suse.de SuSE Linux AG Deutschherrnstr. 15-19 D-90429 Nuernberg -------------------------------------------------------------------- Key fingerprint = A368 676B 5E1B 3E46 CFCE 2D97 F8FD 4E23 56C6 FB4B
* Thorsten Kukuk (kukuk@suse.de) [030220 00:04]: ->On Wed, Feb 19, jfweber@bellsouth.net wrote: -> ->> IIRC there were some listers still using 6.x versions when 8.0 came out.. ->> and they were happy w/ that. I get most of my updates because I need the ->> newer solutions for the test bed.. Also , I haven't had any trouble w/ 8.1 ->> barring the fact that I needed to wait 3 weeks or so before some of the ->> updates that were available in Europe got put on the SuSE(.com) site in the ->> states. -> ->This is impossible. We don't have different ftp servers for europe ->and the states, the master server is ftp.suse.com. Yes. An FYI to the list ftp.suse.com is in Germany..not in the States so there isn't anything fishie going on between sites. Sometimes all mirrors do not get updated as fast as users would like but them's the breaks. ;) -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I'll tell you what you should see.
On Tuesday 18 February 2003 22:59, John LeMay wrote:
As I've been using(?) 8.1 for a month now - I bloody wish I had
Why? What is going to be in 8.2 (presumably) that makes it worth upgrading? Sure, maybe if you are running 7.x or earlier and want some newer "stuff" it makes sense. It also makes sense if you have a stability issue - say with 8.0 (not that I know of any issues with 8.0, but "point-oh" releases tend to be a bit more flakey than "point-one" or higher releases) or something.
I'm really not trolling here, but I just don't see the point in hassling one's self about upgrading their OS every six months. Honestly, even MS doesn't do that. Sure, if you get a new box install the latest you have handy. But if you have a functioning machine and you aren't going through "rpm-hell" trying to install the latest version of <insert favorite package name here>, why bother? Most of the time you end up creating problems you didn't have previously.
Just my two cents.
I fully agree, unfortunately a typo slipped in, my message was intended to read: "As I've been using (?) 8.1 for a month now, and I bloody wish I hadn't." I haven't been able to get it to read from my CD-R, despite making links to everything in sight (hdc, sr0, scda, etc) most of which tell me that /dev/* is not a valid device. In desperation I removed my DVD drive & it's SCSI card from the box and re-installed (I know, I should have worked it out but by this time I was pulling my hair out). Installed from CD1, won't recognise drive for CD 2 to continue installing. Once again trawled SuSE databases & SLE archives, then contacted SuSE support who have repeated what I had already found (last message was how to get ide-scsi working for recording, when what I really want first is to read). THEN I will have to face the problem of playing re-installing my DVD with subsequest changes in addresses. On a brighter note I did manage to find the info to get windows on my 2nd drive working (after I screwed up by mount Grub on hda1 - seemed the obvios place at the time, and one or two minor problems. I made the comment that I had been using SuSE, with some updates, since 5.2 and had not been obliged to contact them for support before, asking when problems such as mine and others reported on this (and other) lists would be fixed and they responded with "the next release".
Op dinsdag 18 februari 2003 23:59, schreef John LeMay:
Why? What is going to be in 8.2 (presumably) that makes it worth upgrading? Sure, maybe if you are running 7.x or earlier and want some
Maybe the choice to use linux 2.6 for trying out while the latest 2.4.20(?) will be default. A new gnome (2.2), kde-3.1, mozilla, evolution, newer X version. 6 months in linux land is a long time. BTW I have the feeling that SuSE released a new version every 4 months, has that changed to about 1 every 6 months? -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless
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