On 04/21/2015 02:05 AM, jdd wrote:

Le 21/04/2015 08:41, Bonet a écrit :

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Having 3 desktops on a large desk, I have never found the time to get them connected. Transferring files etc. from one to the other I use an USB stick and can live with it. Would like though to be able to connect them to exchange bigger data direct. Two of the computers are running SUSE running KDE and one (still) runs Windows XP. The computers are connected via my router.

Could somebody tell me which are the possibilities and where could I find tf Manuals.

pretty simple:

make sure sshd is running on the openSUSE part.

get the IP for each computer and then use Dolphin on openSUSE (and fish://user@IP) and puty on windows

you also can install samba -cifs) on opensuse

jdd

Or just use Dropbox. Install, set up account and transfer files. -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 04/21/2015 09:38 AM, Billie Walsh wrote:

On 04/21/2015 08:23 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:

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Personally I hate copying files except to do backups or transmissions. Its too easy to have copies out of sync., updates differently on both machines.[1]

I store my genealogy database in Dropbox. No matter which of my computers I use to add or make changes all my computers always have the up-to-date file to use.

The thing with Dropbox is that you copy back and forth. This works for you if and only if you maintain a discipline. If, for example, you downloaded from Dropbox to machine#1 and updates on machine #1, then downloaded from Dropbox to machine#2 and updated in a different manner on machine#2, the uploaded from machine#2 to Dropbox, then uploaded from machine#1 to Dropbox the work you did on machine#2 would be lost. Well, your, your response is "I don't do that". Of course not., never. Because you have the D.i.s.i.p.l.i.n.e Sorry, not everyone is as well disciplined as you in the real world. People I've worked with, teams I've managed were not. Heck, just getting them to install a RCS was an uphill battle (with management as well!) never mind getting them to use it as a matter of habit and not just at the days end. Let not even talk about trying to upgrade from RCS to Subversion! Having a single copy of the file and file locking semantics makes more sense. it works when you are tired and make mistakes and the d.s.c.i.p.l.i.n.e.d procedure breaks down. It works when you are pressured and make mistakes. It works when you are sharing things with others. Belts. (no, not sander belts) Then braces. Measure twice, cut once. measure a third time before you cut. (wonder by your measurement marks are not all in the same place .....) -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 04/21/2015 11:07 AM, David T-G wrote:

Anton, et al --

...and then Anton Aylward said... % % On 04/21/2015 09:38 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: % > % > I store my genealogy database in Dropbox. No matter which of my % > computers I use to add or make changes all my computers always have the % > up-to-date file to use. % % The thing with Dropbox is that you copy back and forth. [snip]

To be fair, the common use of DropBox and other Cloud sync services is that you have a copy on your machine and the software keeps that in sync with the Cloud copy, so there is no "copy back and forth" but instead the local copy is kept the same on all sites. Edit on computer A, and the changes show up on computer B in a few minutes (or when both have gone online again).

It sounds like you're simply speaking of a remote repository from which you'll copy, work on your local cache instance, and then have to put back. Yeah, thatis fraught with peril.

All other things being equal, I generally agree that you can't beat the convenience of a single central copy, especially when you get locking as well. But for those who have the possibility of working remotely, a sync service (and one smart enough to detect and manage conflicts) is much more capable.

Now... Did I completely misunderstand, or are we simply talking about two different approaches?

No but you've stated the problem:

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Edit on computer A, and the changes show up on computer B in a few minutes (or when both have gone online again).

It won't take much juggling to have both A and B off-line after getting a copy, update to A and update to B differently, then both go back on-line. What to you think happens? I can see a number of scenarios but unless Dropbox is using some kind of differential merge technology one set of updates is going to be lost. Suppose A goes back on-line first. The sync means copy(A) -> Dropbox. Now what happens when B goes on-line? One of two things depending on timestamps. EITHER copy(B)->Dropbox, pause, Dropbox->A overwriting the (earlier) copy(A) OR Dropbox -> B overwriting copy(B) Similarly, symmetrically if B goes on-line first. if Dropbox tries to do a three-way diff-merge, then what?

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But for those who have the possibility of working remotely, a sync service (and one smart enough to detect and manage conflicts) is much more capable.

its a pretty classical problem :-( -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 21/04/15 17:24, Ruben wrote:

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if Dropbox tries to do a three-way diff-merge, then what?

You get the latest copy. The only one that I've found that works for everyone-at-the-same-time edits is google docs stored on drive. A godsend. B

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On 04/21/2015 12:55 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:

Various how-to out there.

http://lifehacker.com/5821145/how-to-set-up-a-file-syncing-dropbox-clone-you...

Well? Is anyone here using opencloud? The opencloud-users mailing list seems ... Sparse. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 04/21/2015 09:48 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:

The thing with Dropbox is that you copy back and forth.

This works for you if and only if you maintain a discipline.

If, for example, you downloaded from Dropbox to machine#1 and updates on machine #1, then downloaded from Dropbox to machine#2 and updated in a different manner on machine#2, the uploaded from machine#2 to Dropbox, then uploaded from machine#1 to Dropbox the work you did on machine#2 would be lost.

Well, your, your response is "I don't do that". Of course not., never. Because you have the D.i.s.i.p.l.i.n.e

Sorry, not everyone is as well disciplined as you in the real world. People I've worked with, teams I've managed were not. Heck, just getting them to install a RCS was an uphill battle (with management as well!) never mind getting them to use it as a matter of habit and not just at the days end. Let not even talk about trying to upgrade from RCS to Subversion!

Having a single copy of the file and file locking semantics makes more sense. it works when you are tired and make mistakes and the d.s.c.i.p.l.i.n.e.d procedure breaks down. It works when you are pressured and make mistakes. It works when you are sharing things with others.

Belts. (no, not sander belts) Then braces.

Measure twice, cut once. measure a third time before you cut. (wonder by your measurement marks are not all in the same place .....)

I pretty much can only use one computer at a time. I have my desktop at home and a choice of computers when away depending on what I want to do. The full size laptop takes the place of my desktop when in the hotel or at the TV station. Then I have a netbook or choice of tablets for use at research libraries and such. [ they take up less desk space. ] My genealogy program is set to save only to that folder. When a change is made, and if I'm connected to the internet, the changed file is automatically uploaded to Dropbox [ cloud ] and then to any of my computers that are connected. If I'm not connected at the time of my save it happens the next time I'm connected [ hotel, coffee shop, home, etc. ]. I just have to remember to turn on that computer when I have access to a connection. By never taking the file out of Dropbox synchronization is automatic. I believe the original poster wanted a way to move files from one computer to another. With Dropbox you place a file in the Dropbox folder on one computer and in a few minutes/seconds, depending on file size, it shows up in the Dropbox folder on the other computers. You then _move_ the file from Dropbox to your folder of choice and it is removed from the Dropbox folder on all your computers. There's only one copy on one computer. If your in a collaborative environment you would have to use this method or things could go south in a big hurry. [ this is the area where you find the problems. ] You can also send a file to a friend through Dropbox. You place it in a special Dropbox folder and then generate a code that allows your friend to access that file to download to their computer. I only did this one time with a VERY large file. I logged into my account on the Dropbox site and did it from there. -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 04/21/2015 11:38 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:

On 04/21/2015 11:35 AM, Billie Walsh wrote:

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I pretty much can only use one computer at a time. That's one form of discipline about file access.

Its not one I practice.

Well, today I'm using two computers to do different things. One is recording and editing video files for the TV station. The other is just for my whatever I'm doing at any point. It is kind of hard to use my laptop and desktop when the desktop is here and my laptop is in Wichita. Or if I go to a research library and only take my netbook and leave everything else at home. I have at times past used my laptop at the TV station in Wichita and at the same time used my netbook to watch our home Directv to watch something through the Slingbox. So, yes, there are times when I use more than one computer at the same time. But, that's not for editing the same file at the same time on different computers. That's is ignorance

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I believe the original poster wanted a way to move files from one computer to another. As a consultant I've learnt that very often people ask for something that reflects their _present_ work-flow or view, but they want a change and perhaps the change is to the work-flow.

In other words: what they ask for isn't what they actually want or need.

Sometimes you have to give someone what they need rather than what they think they want. That works for retail sales or most any kind of customer service.

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With Dropbox you place a file in the Dropbox folder on one computer and in a few minutes/seconds, depending on file size, it shows up in the Dropbox folder on the other computers. We, my first reaction to that is "NOT!" But my second reaction is "yes but that makes some assumptions". The simplest of those assumptions is that they are both on-line at the same time.

What if that doesn't hold? What if "B" is off-line and the copy on B has also been changed? What happens when B comes back on-line?

That's why you have to remove the file from Dropbox in a collaborative setting. That way there is only one file. No one else can use that file till the new changes are "uploaded". OR As in my use I have to remember to start the computer with the changed file when I reach a location that has a connection.

Its all very well designing for the "correct" use-case, the benign, well disciplined use. But how do things stand up when the 'protocol' is NOT followed, when its abused for one reason or another?

An example might be a file system that handles power loss, that guarantees its integrity even when the plug is puled in the middle of a transaction. Yes, we've come to take that for granted but it wasn't always so,

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You can also send a file to a friend through Dropbox. That is the only use I have Dropbox. FTP-by-mail of a non-trivial file is ... Well a one pioneer of the Internet put it, "Evil".

We all use our computers in different ways. I also use Teamviewer. If we are in Wichita and I leave my desktops here at home turned on I can access the computers to transfer files or control the computer. There are many ways to transfer files between computers. For some I can just use Dolphin and Samba to access a windows computer on our network. Sometimes Dropbox is a better choice. If we are out and about then Teamviewer allows me to access my home computers. I also know there are other process's that could be used. Puty/ssh/whatever, but I find my combination to be the best for me and my use. Not being "techie" these programs allow me simple, easy, use. YMMV. -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 1:45 PM, Billie Walsh wrote:

It is kind of hard to use my laptop and desktop when the desktop is here and my laptop is in Wichita. Or if I go to a research library and only take my netbook and leave everything else at home.

Umm.... This in the middle of discussion of how to network computers together? ie. I use ssh / remote desktop / etc. to run 2 geographically separated computers all the time. I currently am working locally and on 3 remote computers. It is definitely a hassle for me to make a local edit of a file, then wait for it to replicate to the cloud, then be pulled down by a remote machine. In my case I use spideroak, and it can take a couple minutes to push even a small edit / new file and then several more minutes to pull that down at the other end. If I'm remotely connected at the time trying to work, that several minutes is a really long several minutes. I guess my next step is to setup a 7x24 fileserver at the office I can remotely work with. (I know how, so no advice needed, just send money for another PC :) I know, in reality I have old PCs hanging around that can do the job, so I have no excuse for not having already done this.). Greg -- Greg Freemyer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 09:23:25 AM Anton Aylward wrote:

On 04/21/2015 02:41 AM, Bonet wrote:

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Having 3 desktops on a large desk, I have never found the time to get them connected.

I presume you mean 3 computers as opposed to desktops in the sense of a virtual desktop. I have six running under KDE4 on this workstation.

But you go on to say they _are_ connected by your 'router' (I hope you mean 'switch or 'hub')

:) Think it is a switch or hub.

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Transferring files etc. from one to the other I use an USB stick and can live with it. Would like though to be able to connect them to exchange bigger data direct. Two of the computers are running SUSE running KDE and one (still) runs Windows XP. The computers are connected via my router.

The possibilities are many.

Personally I hate copying files except to do backups or transmissions. Its too easy to have copies out of sync., updates differently on both machines.[1]

I don't have desktops, but I have a number of portable devices. I do photography, not just with the camera but also with the phone, and the fondleslabs are used for reading and writing and bits of email. http://www.yourdictionary.com/fondleslab

What I *DO* do is share file systems.

I run FTP and SAMBA on my desktop so "obviously" that file system is mountable to the other devices using appropriate apps from the App store. Of course running just a computer mounting a remote file system, either SAM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FTPFS http://www.linuxnix.com/2011/03/mount-ftp-server-linux.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace http://fuse.sourceforge.net/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSHFS http://linux.die.net/man/1/sshfs https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-sshfs-to-mount-r emote-file-systems-over-ssh

In a mixed Linux-Windows environment, the simplest is SAMBA. You can publish various file trees from UNIX a letter drives visible to the Windows system and the Windows machine can "share" folders that can be mounted on either or both Linux machines.

Yes I have set this up in the past both for myself and for others. it is easy and straight forward, less complex than using SSHFS and by making sure that there is only one copy of a file that can be accessed from anywhere you never have to think "what copy am I working with?" or worry about copying back when you've altered a version on one machine.

Having things viewable as a file tree/folder is more visually appealing, more context, than simply copying files back and forth, and lot less confusing, I've found.

In many ways, for a personal set-up, this is easier than using a SAN.

KISS.[2]

[1] yes there are tools to do differential merges of copies that have diverged, but that gets increasingly complicated. BTDT don't want to go back unless its an issue of a team in a commercial setting. [2] http://michellgroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/kiss-MCG.jpg

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On 04/21/2015 11:10 AM, James Knott wrote:

On 04/21/2015 10:09 AM, Bonet wrote:

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Think it is a switch or hub.

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Hubs are obsolete, but routers often include a switch. A typical home router has four switch ports available and these days likely WiFi too.

Hubs may be obsolete if you are buying new, corporate, but for home users who are not concerned with bleeding-edge a old 8-port hub is less than $5 at a thrift store like Goodwill. Mind you, so might be a Linksys Wifi router. I picked up a '54G with one dead Ethernet port for $2. Don't care, I have other stuff, just wanted the flashable wifi. The problem with these 'domestic' units is that the wifi and Ethernet are all on the same subnet. YMMV. That's the beauty of junk stores :-) -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-04-21 17:10, James Knott wrote:

On 04/21/2015 10:09 AM, Bonet wrote:

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Think it is a switch or hub.

Hubs are obsolete, but routers often include a switch. A typical home router has four switch ports available and these days likely WiFi too.

And the support staff parlance is "router" for that box, no matter what it really is. Even the manufacturers clearly label them as "routers". Strictly speaking they are not, but... who cares? :-P - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlU224YACgkQja8UbcUWM1yMCwD8DKI5b6pR8Ll3fAaN74d9QIeW NbF0kSZUlXN9iVib934A/0a7KQm6cJXkR9rvRv1iZu4S1DR9yxkra4c8tp8L7t6I =rOjn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 04/21/2015 09:43 PM, James Knott wrote:

On 04/21/2015 07:21 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Even the manufacturers clearly label them as "routers". Strictly speaking they are not, but... who cares?

Actually, they are routers, but only very limited ones that know only about default routes. Then again, many routers from Cisco, Adtran, etc. have been installed in exactly the same manner, with only a default route.

LOL! "Limited" means my (linksys) wifi router doesn't know how to talk to my (linksys) VOIP router except by going though my firewall which is really really really routing. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 04/21/2015 09:55 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

They can learn of more routes when needed (rip). I have seen routes appearing "automatically" on home with two or three units connected for testing things. RIP is obsolete. These days, you're more likely to see OSPF or EIGRP on networks.

On my current home router I can add 32 static routes. I just checked.

I don't know what the max is on my "router". It's a box running openSUSE 13.1 and provides routing for both IPv4 and IPv6. It also routes to a VLAN and 2nd WiFi SSID. I've even experimented with splitting my /56 IPv6 prefix into multiple /64s, so it does more than just default route. ;-) I also have a real Cisco router here, but I just use it for experimenting etc. It'll do IPv4, IPv6, IPX, Appletalk and one or two other routed protocols (DECNET?), along with routing protocols such as RIP, OSPF, EIGRP and more. It'll even handle a T1 and a couple of serial ports for frame relay, ISDN etc. It doesn't do WiFi, though I believe there's a module available for that. There's also a 16 port 100 Mb switch module available. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 04/22/2015 11:36 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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RIP is obsolete. These days, you're more likely to see OSPF or

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EIGRP on networks. Dunno about that. My new router, provided by my ISP, has RIP. A cursory look does not find the other two.

RIP may be suitable for small networks, but has real problems with large ones. A big issue is convergence time. It's really slow, compared to OSPF or EIGRP. It also has only 16 hops to infinity, which means that the furthest network can be no more that 15 hops away. I have no idea why your router uses only RIP, as these days you normally wouldn't use it, unless there was something that didn't support better routing protocols. openSUSE supports OSPF, as well as RIP. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 04/21/2015 06:23 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:

I run FTP and SAMBA on my desktop

Exactly. Its all in house on the same desk. Why would you want to ssh, or fish to windows? Just share the directories you want on windows. Then set up SAMBA on linux. and share your own home directory. I think the Yast setup of SAMBA does this all by itself. Bi directional moves are then just drag and drop. The "Network" (in the sidebar) location in Dolphin (or type in "remote:/" will offer an "Add Network Folder" which will collect the path and authentication for the other machines and remember it for you. Same functionality is available in windows explorer. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On April 21, 2015 7:22:43 PM PDT, James Knott wrote:

On 04/21/2015 02:59 PM, John Andersen wrote:

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Why would you want to ssh, or fish to windows?

I haven't done that to Windows, but I have from Windows to Linux. In fact, I set up a Linux server at work a few years ago. The techs ran Windows on notebook computers and could use it to copy files to the server. It worked very well. I set them up with Putty & WinSCP on Windows.

Local techs or remote? -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org