Note: Update of Thunderbird past 91esr will make irreversible changes to profile (backup before update)
All, As part of https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1772023 I tested with Thunderbird 102 Beta. There are a number of changes between 91 and 102 (for the good, new address book format -- no more Mork!, etc.) that will make irreversible changes to your thunderbird profile. If you are considering "checking out" a new version of tbird, make a backup of your current profile before trying the new version (thunderbird wisely creates a new profile, but for testing CPU use, I needed to use the same account setup). The downside of the new profile creation is if you have a number of mail and calendar accounts to integrate, creating a new profile from scratch will be tedious and the sync of all mail headers, indexing, etc.. can be extensive if you have a large mail-store. So after backup, you can point thunderbird to your existing profile with the '-profile /path/to/your/profile' option and it will use and convert your existing profile to the new format. (but without a back, you will be unable to use the old version of thunderbird with that profile) The good new is High CPU use is gone in 102 beta... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
On 03/06/2022 23:55, David C. Rankin wrote:
All,
As part of https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1772023 I tested with Thunderbird 102 Beta. There are a number of changes between 91 and 102 (for the good, new address book format -- no more Mork!, etc.) that will make irreversible changes to your thunderbird profile.
If you are considering "checking out" a new version of tbird, make a backup of your current profile before trying the new version (thunderbird wisely creates a new profile, but for testing CPU use, I needed to use the same account setup).
The downside of the new profile creation is if you have a number of mail and calendar accounts to integrate, creating a new profile from scratch will be tedious and the sync of all mail headers, indexing, etc.. can be extensive if you have a large mail-store. So after backup, you can point thunderbird to your existing profile with the '-profile /path/to/your/profile' option and it will use and convert your existing profile to the new format. (but without a back, you will be unable to use the old version of thunderbird with that profile)
The good new is High CPU use is gone in 102 beta...
I had several misgivings with Thunderbird v91, the high CPU load being certainly the weightiest amongst them. I don't recall all the issues but just to note one or two others: Opening additional TB windows (most notably composing a new mail) causes visual artefacts with parts of the window missing. I have to click out and back in to display it properly. FF has also had visual issues when launching in full screen mode for the last several months, maybe it's related. I have Intel 915 graphics. Also new items in the Folders / Feeds pane no longer show a preview on hover. A small thing but something I found useful particularly with my feeds. I could get a glimpse of what new feed items I have without the folder losing its blue highlighted 'new content' status. Have you witnessed either of these under v102? gumb
On 6/4/22 04:50, gumb wrote:
I had several misgivings with Thunderbird v91, the high CPU load being certainly the weightiest amongst them. I don't recall all the issues but just to note one or two others:
Opening additional TB windows (most notably composing a new mail) causes visual artefacts with parts of the window missing. I have to click out and back in to display it properly. FF has also had visual issues when launching in full screen mode for the last several months, maybe it's related. I have Intel 915 graphics.
This is likely due to the setting: media.hardware-video-decoding.enabled true Prior to 91, (with 78) I would get entire windows above FF that were no redrawn (erased) until I placed focus back in the FF window (then the redrawing would occur). That was with the nvidia driver. I currently have the hardware force-enabled turned off, e.g. media.hardware-video-decoding.force-enabled false
Also new items in the Folders / Feeds pane no longer show a preview on hover. A small thing but something I found useful particularly with my feeds. I could get a glimpse of what new feed items I have without the folder losing its blue highlighted 'new content' status.
Have you witnessed either of these under v102?
In 91 I do still get latest message preview on folder hover. I don't recall even testing that on 102. I have my 102 profile saved, I just need to copy it back to ~/.thunderbird under another name and update the profile.ini. I'll check next time I run it. Your not seeing them may be Gtk theme related of all things. I'm not sure, but many apps roll-over-and-die unless you have the gnome default Adwaita theme in use (that's a whole additional issue how Gtk has gone to hell in +3 and 4) The loss of preview could also simply be due to feature removal from Gtk. That will continue until at least 4.14 or so. There are planned breaks of backwards compatibility through that point. If "Gnome" doesn't use a feature anymore, they just chop it from Gtk. That has screwed a number of apps and why gimp still makes use of gtk+2 to a large degree. (rulers were removed in gtk+3) It would be nice to know why the previews no longer work. If you use the default Adwaita bland vanilla theme (even in dark mode), then it is likely a feature removal issue. It may also be work disabling the hardware acceleration use and restarting tbird to see if that may be related. (if I915 is going through a rough patch there) Good news is 102 looks like it actually provides so nice new summary displays to pull everything together on one page. At least it looked like good thought went into it. Better part is tbird still looks like it does now if you don't want the summary page up (that shows sanity in this version jump at least) I'm not sure what the next esr will be, but if it's 102 based, it looks like a good thing. (even if I can't get gpg figured out with the loss of enigmail) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
On 6/5/22 00:14, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2022-06-04 22:48, David C. Rankin wrote:
I'm not sure what the next esr will be, but if it's 102 based, it looks like a good thing. (even if I can't get gpg figured out with the loss of enigmail)
Does "Tools/Migrate enigmail settings" not work for you?
Never used it. Just let Tbird do whatever it did to my 68 profile when I moved to 15.4. Felix and I went back and forth a bit with trying to sort out signatures and encryption which opened another whole can of worms with most all keyservers no longer being functional or being synced (after an incident a couple of years ago where an attack on the keyservers generated new keys until they quit -- and exposed many not having been maintained in years) I'll get it sorted eventually, it's just such a royal pain in the ass to not only get my end working, but to try and have whoever is on the other end of the conversation get theirs working too, it's almost more trouble than it's worth. Enigmail sure made things easy for both ends. Now with the keyservers hosed, you pretty much need to attach your signature as part of your e-mail to ensure the other end has access to it. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
Am 03.06.22 um 23:55 schrieb David C. Rankin:
All,
As part of https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1772023 I tested with Thunderbird 102 Beta. There are a number of changes between 91 and 102 (for the good, new address book format -- no more Mork!, etc.) that will make irreversible changes to your thunderbird profile.
If you are considering "checking out" a new version of tbird, make a backup of your current profile before trying the new version (thunderbird wisely creates a new profile, but for testing CPU use, I needed to use the same account setup).
The downside of the new profile creation is if you have a number of mail and calendar accounts to integrate, creating a new profile from scratch will be tedious and the sync of all mail headers, indexing, etc.. can be extensive if you have a large mail-store. So after backup, you can point thunderbird to your existing profile with the '-profile /path/to/your/profile' option and it will use and convert your existing profile to the new format. (but without a back, you will be unable to use the old version of thunderbird with that profile)
The good new is High CPU use is gone in 102 beta...
So simply making a backup of ~/.thunderbird and copying the content of ~/.thunderbird/<profile old>/* to ~/.thunderbird/<profile new>/. does not work anymore? Thanks in advance PM
On 6/10/22 15:13, Peter Maffter wrote:
So simply making a backup of ~/.thunderbird and copying the content of ~/.thunderbird/<profile old>/* to ~/.thunderbird/<profile new>/. does not work anymore?
Thanks in advance PM
It will work fine, but after you start the new Tbird, you will not be able to go back to Tbird 91 using ~/.thunderbird/<profile new>/. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
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