[opensuse] OpenOffice.org forked....
It is official... http://www.documentfoundation.org C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 9/28/2010 12:54 AM, C wrote:
It is official... http://www.documentfoundation.org
C.
Wow. But is this really a fork? The FAQ http://www.documentfoundation.org/faq/ makes it sound like they are the new main branch, and were more or less given the boot by Oracle. Does Oracle have anyone left capable to maintain OOo? -- _____________________________________ At one time I had a Real Sig. Its been downsized. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:28, John Andersen wrote:
On 9/28/2010 12:54 AM, C wrote:
It is official... http://www.documentfoundation.org
Wow. But is this really a fork? The FAQ http://www.documentfoundation.org/faq/ makes it sound like they are the new main branch, and were more or less given the boot by Oracle.
Does Oracle have anyone left capable to maintain OOo?
It's being called a fork in most news feeds.... for example: http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Productivity-Sauce-Dmitri-s-open-... C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 28/09/10 09:38, C wrote:
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:28, John Andersen wrote:
On 9/28/2010 12:54 AM, C wrote:
It is official... http://www.documentfoundation.org
Wow. But is this really a fork? The FAQ http://www.documentfoundation.org/faq/ makes it sound like they are the new main branch, and were more or less given the boot by Oracle.
Does Oracle have anyone left capable to maintain OOo?
It's being called a fork in most news feeds.... for example: http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Productivity-Sauce-Dmitri-s-open-...
C.
I suppose technically it is a fork, but as far as I can tell, there are no developers who will continue to be developing on the Oracle branch. Oracle has been invited to donate the brand name to the new Foundation so that they can continue using the name "OpenOffice"; otherwise they will switch to "LibreOffice". http://lwn.net/Articles/407383 I wonder what this means for go-oo that Novell used to run? Will those changes get merged? Regards, Tejas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:24, Tejas Guruswamy wrote:
I wonder what this means for go-oo that Novell used to run? Will those changes get merged?
According to the FAQ on the OfficeLibre site..... Q: What does this announcement mean to other derivatives of OpenOffice.org? A: We want The Document Foundation to be open to code contributions from as many people as possible. We are delighted to announce that the enhancements produced by the Go-OOo team will be merged into LibreOffice, effective immediately. We hope that others will follow suit. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2010-09-28 at 12:32 +0200, C wrote:
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:24, Tejas Guruswamy wrote:
I wonder what this means for go-oo that Novell used to run? Will those changes get merged?
According to the FAQ on the OfficeLibre site.....
Q: What does this announcement mean to other derivatives of OpenOffice.org?
A: We want The Document Foundation to be open to code contributions from as many people as possible. We are delighted to announce that the enhancements produced by the Go-OOo team will be merged into LibreOffice, effective immediately. We hope that others will follow suit.
So I guess this will be in the OBS soon, and perhaps could be used as a replacement for openOffice? At least for those willing to see how well it works compared to the OO code? Perhaps it should be a parallel install with programs like loffice instead of ooffice, and so on, allowing openOffice to remain until it is not needed? -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 9/28/2010 4:23 AM, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Tue, 2010-09-28 at 12:32 +0200, C wrote:
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:24, Tejas Guruswamy wrote:
I wonder what this means for go-oo that Novell used to run? Will those changes get merged?
According to the FAQ on the OfficeLibre site.....
Q: What does this announcement mean to other derivatives of OpenOffice.org?
A: We want The Document Foundation to be open to code contributions from as many people as possible. We are delighted to announce that the enhancements produced by the Go-OOo team will be merged into LibreOffice, effective immediately. We hope that others will follow suit.
So I guess this will be in the OBS soon, and perhaps could be used as a replacement for openOffice? At least for those willing to see how well it works compared to the OO code? Perhaps it should be a parallel install with programs like loffice instead of ooffice, and so on, allowing openOffice to remain until it is not needed?
Its the same code. At least today. The version number system remains intact and everything. Since it was GPL they could just take it and go. So could you. So it should be and look identical with maybe a name change. But just because Larry is such a nice guy my bet is there are lawyers swarming all over it looking for things they can contest. All and all I feel much better having this project back in the hands of a small focused organization with nothing better to do. -- _____________________________________ At one time I had a Real Sig. Its been downsized. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 28/09/2010 18:28, John Andersen wrote:
On 9/28/2010 12:54 AM, C wrote:
It is official... http://www.documentfoundation.org
C.
Wow. But is this really a fork? The FAQ http://www.documentfoundation.org/faq/ makes it sound like they are the new main branch, and were more or less given the boot by Oracle.
Does Oracle have anyone left capable to maintain OOo?
Make up your own mind, John: http://www.infoworld.com/d/applications/openofficeorg-developers-break-ties-... BC -- Sound that shatters silence is called noise. Sound that enhances silence is called music. Chinese proverb -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2010-09-29 at 17:59 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:
http://www.infoworld.com/d/applications/openofficeorg-developers-break-ties-...
And a paragraph or so in to this article, in the text as though it was part of the article, is an advertisement for MS office... Sheesh. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2010-09-29 at 10:19 +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Wed, 2010-09-29 at 17:59 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:
http://www.infoworld.com/d/applications/openofficeorg-developers-break-ties-...
And a paragraph or so in to this article, in the text as though it was part of the article, is an advertisement for MS office... Sheesh.
Noticed that huh? :( Certainly a number of distros will be looking at which version of OOo they include, and perhaps change to this one. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2010-09-29 at 08:34 -0400, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Wed, 2010-09-29 at 10:19 +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Wed, 2010-09-29 at 17:59 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:
http://www.infoworld.com/d/applications/openofficeorg-developers-break-ties-...
And a paragraph or so in to this article, in the text as though it was part of the article, is an advertisement for MS office... Sheesh.
Noticed that huh? :( Certainly a number of distros will be looking at which version of OOo they include, and perhaps change to this one.
I bet if MS Office was available for Linux, it would be popular. At least in certain camps. But as MS Office is so integrated into non-document parts of Windows, I doubt this will happen. Of course, they have managed to lift out enough to get it to port to Mac OS/X. But MS just can't compete on price. Still, I wonder if people who want to use MS Office on Linux would pay the same price for it there as they do on, say, Mac OS/X? But if MS Office were available for Linux, I think one big stumbling block to using Linux would be gone. And MS could never allow that to happen. Even if they do allow that for Mac OS/X. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
I bet if MS Office was available for Linux, it would be popular. At least in certain camps. But as MS Office is so integrated into non-document parts of Windows, I doubt this will happen. Of course, they have managed to lift out enough to get it to port to Mac OS/X. But MS just can't compete on price. Still, I wonder if people who want to use MS Office on Linux would pay the same price for it there as they do on, say, Mac OS/X?
Personally I wouldn't mind provided I get the kind of support ooo provides as well as the scripting abilities. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (15.6°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2010-09-29 at 15:31 +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Wed, 2010-09-29 at 08:34 -0400, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Wed, 2010-09-29 at 10:19 +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Wed, 2010-09-29 at 17:59 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:
http://www.infoworld.com/d/applications/openofficeorg-developers-break-ties-...
And a paragraph or so in to this article, in the text as though it was part of the article, is an advertisement for MS office... Sheesh.
Noticed that huh? :( Certainly a number of distros will be looking at which version of OOo they include, and perhaps change to this one.
I bet if MS Office was available for Linux, it would be popular. At least in certain camps. But as MS Office is so integrated into non-document parts of Windows, I doubt this will happen. Of course, they have managed to lift out enough to get it to port to Mac OS/X. But MS just can't compete on price. Still, I wonder if people who want to use MS Office on Linux would pay the same price for it there as they do on, say, Mac OS/X?
I often see people in stores hefting the MsOffice package and looking at the price, I normally butt in and ask them exactly what they want to do, what do they really need it for, Office is feature rich, and for the majority of users, we'll never need those features, so I've been recommending OpenOffice.
But if MS Office were available for Linux, I think one big stumbling block to using Linux would be gone. And MS could never allow that to happen. Even if they do allow that for Mac OS/X.
Would your IT department prefer one vendor or two for support? Our IT guys will not roll out FireFox to the desktops because we "cannot get a support contract" for it, even though IE keeps crashing at startup. I figure that many IT departments in SMB are probably in the same mindset, keep the support simple even if it means paying more than you have to. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2010-09-29 at 10:08 -0400, Mike McMullin wrote:
Would your IT department prefer one vendor or two for support? Our IT guys will not roll out FireFox to the desktops because we "cannot get a support contract" for it, even though IE keeps crashing at startup. I figure that many IT departments in SMB are probably in the same mindset, keep the support simple even if it means paying more than you have to.
Not just SMB. We are a 9000+ employee company. Just this past month Novell file server was replaced by MS. The IT group want everything to be MS. I would guess it simplifies support in that they need only get familiar with one brand of strangeness. But you can't help but think that the choice of MS is to a large extent job security. And they have these neat etched glass certificates from MS that show they 'know their stuff'. A wall full of these surely is impressive to the folk that approve this direction. Hell, if they know the MS stuff, then we would be fools not to use it... -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Wed, 2010-09-29 at 10:08 -0400, Mike McMullin wrote:
Would your IT department prefer one vendor or two for support? Our IT guys will not roll out FireFox to the desktops because we "cannot get a support contract" for it, even though IE keeps crashing at startup. I figure that many IT departments in SMB are probably in the same mindset, keep the support simple even if it means paying more than you have to.
Not just SMB. We are a 9000+ employee company.
I run an SMB - I think SMBs are far more flexible and nimble than the big massive companies. The latter have people employed only to determine policy. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (15.0°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2010-09-29 at 17:35 +0200, Per Jessen wrote:
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Wed, 2010-09-29 at 10:08 -0400, Mike McMullin wrote:
Would your IT department prefer one vendor or two for support? Our IT guys will not roll out FireFox to the desktops because we "cannot get a support contract" for it, even though IE keeps crashing at startup. I figure that many IT departments in SMB are probably in the same mindset, keep the support simple even if it means paying more than you have to.
Not just SMB. We are a 9000+ employee company.
I run an SMB - I think SMBs are far more flexible and nimble than the big massive companies. The latter have people employed only to determine policy.
We have a whole department. Official fonts, text colors, document layouts. You name it. And the sad thing here is that these official templates (and documents derived from them) seldom render properly in OO. Not little things. Whole sections disappearing when they are in some text box. It is really frustrating. It would be great if there was a tool to tell if a layout is properly specified. It would not surprise me if the docs look this way because they rely on errors in Word. Or, errors in docs that Word continues to support. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
HI all,
Would your IT department prefer one vendor or two for support? Our IT guys will not roll out FireFox to the desktops because we "cannot get a support contract" for it, even though IE keeps crashing at startup. I figure that many IT departments in SMB are probably in the same mindset, keep the support simple even if it means paying more than you have to.
Why does your IT department need any support contracts? If they will not use any software (or write it) without support why are they needed? If they have contracts for everything, then get rid of everyone but one guy to call the support suppliers. JIM -- The US was colonized by the religious, political, economic, and criminal rejects of every country in the world. We have been carefully breeding insane, obsessive, fanatic lunatics with each other for over 400 years, resulting in the glorious strain of humanity known as "Americans". You have to expect some... peculiarities. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 23:35, James Hatridge wrote:
Why does your IT department need any support contracts? If they will not use any software (or write it) without support why are they needed? If they have contracts for everything, then get rid of everyone but one guy to call the support suppliers.
I've lost track of the number of companies I've dealt with that had a policy that ALL software in use, had to have a support contract (which often cost thousands or tens of thousands per year) which they never used once in the entire lifecycle of the application. These same companies would blacklist all open source applications regardless of merit or OS they ran on... simply because they did not have to pay for them, and could not purchase a service contract they never used. One company I worked for would sell service contracts to these companies... on any and all software that the customer wanted... didn’t' matter what it was... they would support it... gambling (and winning) on the fact that 99.9999% of all contracts would never ever be used. While I worked there we had exactly one software service call.... and it was a no-brainer to resolve... the rest... well it was a license to print money. The best one we sold was similar to the Microsoft support contract...a fixed yearly fee, and then a $50 per service call rate. Since the service call cost $50, the techs would never call it even if they were in a situation where it would have helped them resolve the problem quickly. If they did call they'd have to expense the $50... so instead they'd spend a week researching and fixing the problem on their own. When you question the IT guys why they must have support contracts, it almost always ends up with some pointy haired boss somewhere in the chain that inherited the policy from his predecessor who inherited it etc etc... no one questions it, they just mindlessly enforce it because it's policy. http://doh-san.blogspot.com/2005/10/five-monkeys.html pretty much explains it. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2010-09-29 at 23:35 +0200, James Hatridge wrote:
HI all,
Would your IT department prefer one vendor or two for support? Our IT guys will not roll out FireFox to the desktops because we "cannot get a support contract" for it, even though IE keeps crashing at startup. I figure that many IT departments in SMB are probably in the same mindset, keep the support simple even if it means paying more than you have to.
Why does your IT department need any support contracts? If they will not use any software (or write it) without support why are they needed? If they have contracts for everything, then get rid of everyone but one guy to call the support suppliers.
Apparently it's the IT managers policy, it doesn't hit the desktop without some kind of paid support. I've groused several times to the IT kiddies that FireFox is to be preferred over IE, but they keep barfing rote. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2010-09-29 at 23:35 +0200, James Hatridge wrote:
HI all,
Would your IT department prefer one vendor or two for support? Our IT guys will not roll out FireFox to the desktops because we "cannot get a support contract" for it, even though IE keeps crashing at startup. I figure that many IT departments in SMB are probably in the same mindset, keep the support simple even if it means paying more than you have to.
Why does your IT department need any support contracts? If they will not use any software (or write it) without support why are they needed? If they have contracts for everything, then get rid of everyone but one guy to call the support suppliers.
Apparently it's the IT managers policy, it doesn't hit the desktop without some kind of paid support. I've groused several times to the IT kiddies that FireFox is to be preferred over IE, but they keep barfing rote.
It seems to me as the "boss" I hired them for the support. Why should I pay twice? I'd get rid of one or the other. JIM -- The US was colonized by the religious, political, economic, and criminal rejects of every country in the world. We have been carefully breeding insane, obsessive, fanatic lunatics with each other for over 400 years, resulting in the glorious strain of humanity known as "Americans". You have to expect some... peculiarities. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 29/09/2010 22:34, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Wed, 2010-09-29 at 10:19 +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Wed, 2010-09-29 at 17:59 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:
http://www.infoworld.com/d/applications/openofficeorg-developers-break-ties-...
And a paragraph or so in to this article, in the text as though it was part of the article, is an advertisement for MS office... Sheesh.
Noticed that huh? :( Certainly a number of distros will be looking at which version of OOo they include, and perhaps change to this one.
Personally, I already have switched over to LibreOffice. (Looks very much like StarOffice and OpenOffice, BTW :-D .) BC -- I am not rich enough to buy cheap goods. Leonid Chupin © -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2010-09-30 at 00:14 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 29/09/2010 22:34, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Wed, 2010-09-29 at 10:19 +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Wed, 2010-09-29 at 17:59 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:
http://www.infoworld.com/d/applications/openofficeorg-developers-break-ties-...
And a paragraph or so in to this article, in the text as though it was part of the article, is an advertisement for MS office... Sheesh.
Noticed that huh? :( Certainly a number of distros will be looking at which version of OOo they include, and perhaps change to this one.
Personally, I already have switched over to LibreOffice.
(Looks very much like StarOffice and OpenOffice, BTW :-D .)
<smack> I had StarOffice for both Lin and Win, great printer drivers for Lin. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
C
It is official... http://www.documentfoundation.org
Great news. I fully support this. Charles -- "I once witnessed a long-winded, month-long flamewar over the use of mice vs. trackballs...It was very silly." (By Matt Welsh)
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