On Fri, 12 May 2006 22:17:12 -0400, you wrote:

Darryl Gregorash wrote:

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On 12/05/06 19:12, James Knott wrote:

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How does OpenSUSE, with the "Addon" CD, compare with the boxed SUSE 10.1?

tnx jk

Are you saying you've solved the problem of how to download a printed manual? (hide :-D )

Yes. All you need is thick ethernet, to allow the books enough room to come through. ;-)

It works best if the book is printed in 1 point type. Mike- -- If you're not confused, you're not trying hard enough. -- Please note - Due to the intense volume of spam, we have installed site-wide spam filters at catherders.com. If email from you bounces, try non-HTML, non-encoded, non-attachments,

Andreas Jaeger wrote:

James Knott writes:

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How does OpenSUSE, with the "Addon" CD, compare with the boxed SUSE 10.1?

In a nutshell: * Physical Media * Extra DVD9 with more packages * Printed Manual * installation support

Is there a list somewhere of those extra packages on DVD9? Are they not on the addon cd?

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In a nutshell: * Physical Media * Extra DVD9 with more packages * Printed Manual * installation support

By "Printed Manual" you mean the "Administration Guide"? That's some thing that would interest me, certainly. - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFEZciOtTMYHG2NR9URAqfDAJ9BjSnDve4N8Du/VroVbxiBXJw8PwCfW1pG t3yK6VyEeGyRnuQ+jNgodQ0= =AcBp -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On 5/16/06, Mark H. Harris wrote:

Yes yes I know... the manual is on the media... I also have a copy (pdf) on my HD... but I like books... real paper books. And I am willing to PAY for them... so think about it guys.

so if you are willing to PAY for it, then take it to a copy shop and have them PRINT it. I prefer NOT to HAVE TO pay for a manual. When I want one, I will buy one. Or, I will buy one of the after-market 3rd party books. Peter

On Tuesday 16 May 2006 21:25, Mark H. Harris wrote:

On Tuesday 16 May 2006 12:38, Peter Van Lone wrote:

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I prefer NOT to HAVE TO pay for a manual.

Good point... so, the Novell people, sharp as they are, should have more than one boxed set option... SuSE Lite... and SuSE Professional. ...Let the market decide which set they prefer...

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Haven't followed this thread too thoroughly.. But why not just make TWO boxes? One with the full set of DVD's and one with the full set of CD's. And have the manual as a "side order". "One SuSE 10.1 DVD box and a manual to go please...." That way there is no problems of "This or that package aren't supplied with the Retail box i need the full Pro version for just this one package." And those who want the hardcopied manual can get it in shiny print and color. Just my $0.02 worth of strange ideas... --          /Rikard ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- email   : rikard.j@rikjoh.com web     : http://www.rikjoh.com mob: : +46 (0)763 19 76 25 ------------------------ Public PGP fingerprint ---------------------------- < 15 28 DF 78 67 98 B2 16 1F D3 FD C5 59 D4 B6 78  46 1C EE 56 >

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2006-05-16 at 16:54 -0400, suse_gasjr4wd@mac.com wrote:

Just print the thing out. With the stupid cheapness of laser printers today, doesn't everyone have one?

No, I don't.

This way you can control how big of small you want it. What type of binding, etc. We do that here, but Staples, Office Depot, Office Max, Kinko's, or your favorite office supply super store can do it for a few bucks.

Nothing of those shops here. I certainly can not bind a manual in a professional manner. - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFEamZJtTMYHG2NR9URAk2vAJ4xiIho1UUoFU4XxYFkyNSi7oafWwCaA5yj rRIN5vXgqNLfFHQtcS47Tqw= =qaKN -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On Tuesday 16 May 2006 23:06, Jerry Feldman wrote:

On Tuesday 16 May 2006 4:27 pm, Rikard Johnels wrote:

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Haven't followed this thread too thoroughly..

But why not just make TWO boxes? One with the full set of DVD's and one with the full set of CD's. And have the manual as a "side order". "One SuSE 10.1 DVD box and a manual to go please...." That way there is no problems of "This or that package aren't supplied with the Retail box i need the full Pro version for just this one package." And those who want the hardcopied manual can get it in shiny print and color.

Just my $0.02 worth of strange ideas...

When they had Professional, Professional Upgrade and Personal, it was very confusing to some people. The difference between the Professional and Professional Upgrade was that the boxed set for the Upgrade had fewer books. The Personal had less data.

I think that they are moving in the right direction. Novell sells a boxed set containing the DVDs and CDs with a manual. The DVD and CD isos are available for download. Additionally, network installs are available.

Are there any problems with java and other non opensource stuff? Like it took me several hours to download the rest of the non free license stuff from packman for 10.0. And even then it wasn't complete. In the end I wish I'd waited for the retail version with all the time I'd wasted. Just another 0.02 Euros. Steve.

On Thursday 18 May 2006 06:49 am, Kevanf1 wrote:

On 17/05/06, steve wrote:

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Are there any problems with java and other non opensource stuff? Like it took me several hours to download the rest of the non free license stuff from packman for 10.0. And even then it wasn't complete. In the end I wish I'd waited for the retail version with all the time I'd wasted.

Just another 0.02 Euros. Steve.

Hasn't Java just gone open source? Or is that a part of it?

Java considers their product to be "open source" since they believe anyone can find the source code if they want. (That's their concept, not mine.) There's a GCC version of Java installed with the OSS cd set. (Kind of like what you get these days with Fedora.) However, the real Java stuff (SDK, JRE, Ant...) is still found on the "extra" CD and not included with the original five. I simply added the extra yast sources and went on and installed java 1.5 from there. I have it running on my two 10.1 systems no problem along with NetBeans on one of them. -- kai - www.perfectreign.com www.filesite.org - The FileNet Community 43...for those who require slightly more than the answer to life, the universe and everything.

On 5/16/06 7:51 PM, "Carlos E. R." wrote:

If I don't get something extra that I can't obtain for free, why should I buy any of it?

It's called support. I download it first, if I like it, I go and buy it. That way the people that did the work can get paid and eat. If you don't support SUSE, they may fade away... Then what will you have? -- Thanks, George "My girlfriend always laughs during sex---no matter what she's reading." -- Steve Jobs (Founder: Apple Computers)

On Tue, 2006-05-16 at 12:38 -0500, Peter Van Lone wrote:

On 5/16/06, Mark H. Harris wrote:

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Yes yes I know... the manual is on the media... I also have a copy (pdf) on my HD... but I like books... real paper books. And I am willing to PAY for them... so think about it guys.

so if you are willing to PAY for it, then take it to a copy shop and have them PRINT it.

I prefer NOT to HAVE TO pay for a manual.

When I want one, I will buy one. Or, I will buy one of the after-market 3rd party books.

What books do you recommend? Personally I would like the option of a disks only set and not from some knock off house on the web. As to the books they do provide they are somewhat thin. It should be possible to get official recommendations from Novell as to third party treeware or even buy through them. I beleive there is one publisher of RH books which has recently turned its hand to Suse but I forget the link. It was on Amazon as I remember. -- ___ _ _ _ ____ _ _ _ | | | | [__ | | | |___ |_|_| ___] | \/

Carl William Spitzer IV wrote:

On Tue, 2006-05-16 at 12:38 -0500, Peter Van Lone wrote:

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On 5/16/06, Mark H. Harris wrote:

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Yes yes I know... the manual is on the media... I also have a copy (pdf) on my HD... but I like books... real paper books. And I am willing to PAY for them... so think about it guys.

so if you are willing to PAY for it, then take it to a copy shop and have them PRINT it.

I prefer NOT to HAVE TO pay for a manual.

When I want one, I will buy one. Or, I will buy one of the after-market 3rd party books.

What books do you recommend? Personally I would like the option of a disks only set and not from some knock off house on the web. As to the books they do provide they are somewhat thin. It should be possible to get official recommendations from Novell as to third party treeware or even buy through them.

I beleive there is one publisher of RH books which has recently turned its hand to Suse but I forget the link. It was on Amazon as I remember.

Even though it is targeted at Suse 10, Suse Linux 10 Unleashed by Michael McCallister (Sams Publishing 2006) is an excellent starting point. It does the basics but also gets into the gritty details of modifying the system and troubleshooting. I am a relative Linux newbie but I have had computers since the days of CPM and I found the book very understandable and useful. Ralph Ellis