Re: [opensuse] OpenOffice freezes the system
Hi Nate, thanks for your reply. I also have a nVidia card both at home and at work with, apparently, the latest drivers... could it be the problem? Is this then related to OpenOffice or to nVidia?? Cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ---- From: Nate Pearlstein <npearl@sgi.com> To: Martin Mielke <m_mlk@yahoo.com> Cc: OpenSuSE <opensuse@opensuse.org> Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2007 3:36:54 PM Subject: Re: [opensuse] OpenOffice freezes the system On Tue, 2007-10-02 at 06:27 -0700, Martin Mielke wrote:
Sorry... I use OpenSuSE 10.2 so far.
Cheers Martin
----- Original Message ---- From: Kevin Dupuy <kevindupuy@bellsouth.net> To: Martin Mielke <m_mlk@yahoo.com> Cc: OpenSuSE <opensuse@opensuse.org> Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2007 3:23:35 AM Subject: Re: [opensuse] OpenOffice freezes the system
You didn't mention which version on SUSE you were using, but I agree that 10.2 specifically seemed unstable.
On Mon, 2007-10-01 at 07:56 -0700, Martin Mielke wrote:
Hi all,
since some days ago I have to create more documentation as part of my work but I'm experimenting something *very* annoying with OpenOffice, specially the first time it's launched although it might also happen (at random?) after the 2nd or 3rd run: the system completely freezes. Even the keyboard is 100% dead; the caps-lock or num-lock don't even work either, and the only way to get it back to life is by restarting it... so everything is lost and I must start over.
These are the OpenOffice packages on my system now (the same applies for the one at home): --- martin@styx:~> rpm -qa | grep -i openoffice OpenOffice_org-2.2.1-43.1 OpenOffice_org-kde-2.2.1-43.1 OpenOffice_org-Quickstarter-1.0-514 ---
This happens with all kind of document formats and for a nerd like me who (almost) uses the 20 desktops it's a good way to learn and use new bad words when everything disappears on this end...
Anyway, I also noticed that the recent versions of OpenSuSE are rather more unstable (I'm a SuSE'r since version 5.3 IIRC)... this could be labeled just as a personal perception if I were using OpenSuSE in only one system but I have it installed in more than one "modern" system (i.e. dual-core CPU -both AMD and Intel- , xx GB of RAM, big SATA-2 hard disks, etc) at home and at work...
Unfortunately I can't tell you a way to reproduce the problem so please bear with me... and therefore I wanted to ask here if someone has been experimenting such annoyances as well and what, if any, solutions can be applied to get rid of them.
As usual, thanks in advance for your time!
There is a bugzilla open on this, 245711. The work around that has been working for me is, after the machine starts and I first log in, I launch one of the open office programs. It doesn't seem to matter which one. Then I go to any one of the menu items so that the menu appears. After that I leave it running, never quit. So far I have not had the machine freeze. The problem seems to effect systems with nvidia cards the most. I don't speak for SGI or Novell in this forum. Just relating my personal experience. -- Sent from my wired giant hulking workstation Nate Pearlstein - npearl@sgi.com - Product Support Engineer ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Martin Mielke wrote:
Hi Nate,
thanks for your reply. I also have a nVidia card both at home and at work with, apparently, the latest drivers... could it be the problem? Is this then related to OpenOffice or to nVidia??
Cheers, Martin
I've never had anything BUT nVidia cards; I am running 10.2 and I am not having a single problem with OO (of any flavour or version). Cheers. -- Past experience, if not forgotten, is a guide for the future. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Onsdag 03 oktober 2007 07:46 kvad Basil Chupin:
thanks for your reply. I also have a nVidia card both at home and at work with, apparently, the latest drivers... could it be the problem? Is this then related to OpenOffice or to nVidia??
I've never had anything BUT nVidia cards; I am running 10.2 and I am not having a single problem with OO (of any flavour or version).
No OOo broblems here. OpenSUSE 10.2 (x86/32 bit) + Nvidia GeForce 7300LE + the distro's standard OOo (2.0.4). Best regards :o) Johnny :o) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 03 October 2007 06:46, Basil Chupin wrote:
I also have a nVidia card both at home and at work with, apparently, the latest drivers... could it be the problem? Is this then related to OpenOffice or to nVidia??
I've never had anything BUT nVidia cards; I am running 10.2 and I am not having a single problem with OO (of any flavour or version).
OOo froze pretty consistently here, on 10.2 with the NVidia 100.14.11 drivers. It did that with the original install version (2.0.4), and also with the 2.3.0 version - it happened only an hour ago this morning (foolish me - I thought I'd try it again, just to see), and required a hard reboot. I'm now avoiding OOo indefinitely in favour of KOffice, which is lighter and easier to use anyway - I'm pretty impressed with it. I advise others with this problem to do the same. -- Pob hwyl / Best wishes Kevin Donnelly www.kyfieithu.co.uk - KDE yn Gymraeg www.klebran.org.uk - Gwirydd gramadeg rhydd i'r Gymraeg www.eurfa.org.uk - Geiriadur rhydd i'r Gymraeg www.rhedadur.org.uk - Rhedeg berfau Cymraeg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Onsdag 03 oktober 2007 10:13 kvad Kevin Donnelly:
On Wednesday 03 October 2007 06:46, Basil Chupin wrote:
I also have a nVidia card both at home and at work with, apparently, the latest drivers... could it be the problem? Is this then related to OpenOffice or to nVidia??
I've never had anything BUT nVidia cards; I am running 10.2 and I am not having a single problem with OO (of any flavour or version).
OOo froze pretty consistently here, on 10.2 with the NVidia 100.14.11 drivers. It did that with the original install version (2.0.4), and also with the 2.3.0 version - it happened only an hour ago this morning (foolish me - I thought I'd try it again, just to see), and required a hard reboot.
Ah. If it hasn't been said already, then it could be an issue with the NVidia driver. Mine is 100.14.09, and I have no OOo problems (OOo 2.0.4). Have you tried downgrading your NVidia driver? Best regards :o) Johnny :o) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2007-10-03 at 09:13 +0100, Kevin Donnelly wrote:
OOo froze pretty consistently here, on 10.2 with the NVidia 100.14.11 drivers. It did that with the original install version (2.0.4), and also with the 2.3.0 version - it happened only an hour ago this morning (foolish me - I thought I'd try it again, just to see), and required a hard reboot.
OOo has some 3D effects: try dissabling them. I guess they use some vdeo card gadgetry. Otherwise, try using the open driver instead of the closed source one. Look at OOo / Tools / 3D view: use open GL, dithering, refresh, and specially "hardware acceleration". - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFHA2M5tTMYHG2NR9URAn00AJ9eXzzX9w+TNRgQAmgIwKOj808mVQCeJQ1s NkR1YyBKRQiD7+Q3yPwcDas= =DADn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 03 October 2007 10:38, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Wednesday 2007-10-03 at 09:13 +0100, Kevin Donnelly wrote:
OOo froze pretty consistently here, on 10.2 with the NVidia 100.14.11 drivers. It did that with the original install version (2.0.4), and also with the 2.3.0 version - it happened only an hour ago this morning (foolish me - I thought I'd try it again, just to see), and required a hard reboot.
OOo has some 3D effects: try dissabling them. I guess they use some vdeo card gadgetry. Otherwise, try using the open driver instead of the closed source one.
Look at OOo / Tools / 3D view: use open GL, dithering, refresh, and specially "hardware acceleration".
That's certainly interesting to know about, but I'm not going to risk another reboot, particularly when KOffice works fine :-) And Johnny's suggestion of a driver downgrade might also have merit, but I'm too lazy to try it ... -- Pob hwyl / Best wishes Kevin Donnelly www.kyfieithu.co.uk - KDE yn Gymraeg www.klebran.org.uk - Gwirydd gramadeg rhydd i'r Gymraeg www.eurfa.org.uk - Geiriadur rhydd i'r Gymraeg www.rhedadur.org.uk - Rhedeg berfau Cymraeg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Kevin Donnelly wrote:
<snip> .... certainly interesting to know about, but I'm not going to risk another reboot, ... <snip>
*this* is the epitome of the Linux mentality vs the Windows mentality being demonstrated graphically. With Windows, you reboot to cure everything, to install anything, to reset everything, to reclaim leaking memory, someone sneezed. With Linux, to reboot is almost like selling your soul to the devil, something done only when replacing the motherboard or a memory stick or a sunspot induced power failure :) Richard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 03 October 2007 12:59, Richard Creighton wrote:
*this* is the epitome of the Linux mentality vs the Windows mentality being demonstrated graphically. With Windows, you reboot to cure everything, to install anything, to reset everything, to reclaim leaking memory, someone sneezed. With Linux, to reboot is almost like selling your soul to the devil, something done only when replacing the motherboard or a memory stick or a sunspot induced power failure :)
Hehe - I don't know whether this is praise or scorn :-) The main reason for not rebooting is that I usually have about 50 windows open, and reopening them all is a pain ..... Re Basil's point, this is a nVidia GeForce 7600 GT. -- Pob hwyl / Best wishes Kevin Donnelly www.kyfieithu.co.uk - KDE yn Gymraeg www.klebran.org.uk - Gwirydd gramadeg rhydd i'r Gymraeg www.eurfa.org.uk - Geiriadur rhydd i'r Gymraeg www.rhedadur.org.uk - Rhedeg berfau Cymraeg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Kevin Donnelly wrote:
On Wednesday 03 October 2007 12:59, Richard Creighton wrote:
*this* is the epitome of the Linux mentality vs the Windows mentality being demonstrated graphically. With Windows, you reboot to cure everything, to install anything, to reset everything, to reclaim leaking memory, someone sneezed. With Linux, to reboot is almost like selling your soul to the devil, something done only when replacing the motherboard or a memory stick or a sunspot induced power failure :)
Hehe - I don't know whether this is praise or scorn :-) The main reason for not rebooting is that I usually have about 50 windows open, and reopening them all is a pain ..... :) Shucks...Windows would run out of system resources and never get to 50 open windows.... 50 open windows is only a Linux problem :)
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2007-10-03 at 12:29 +0100, Kevin Donnelly wrote:
Look at OOo / Tools / 3D view: use open GL, dithering, refresh, and specially "hardware acceleration".
That's certainly interesting to know about, but I'm not going to risk another reboot, particularly when KOffice works fine :-) And Johnny's suggestion of a driver downgrade might also have merit, but I'm too lazy to try it ...
Ha! There goes the scientific spirit out by the window ;-P You could do the change before opening the other 49 windows. Or you could switch to the open version of the driver, that doesn't have hw accel, for a while, to do the change in OOo config. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFHA7TYtTMYHG2NR9URAhiSAJ42PQicAq6TM8ROw0XNRehHtiAw4QCfQqWr MpGOPE+vfKeOYAmoQbT8/KM= =NmE5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I have been seeing this problem for a long time. For me, it is only ever triggered when I "click" on a menu item. Mostly the "File" menu item. However, as I read this comment, I froze it up on the "Tools" menu, as suggested. I have nVidia driver (commercial), using "Twinview" with an amd_64 running the generic version of OOo (not a specific SuSE version). This has been happening with upgrades of SuSE, OOo, and nVidia. Nothing seems to handle it. From watching this thread, I'm suspect of non-SuSE versions. The system doesn't actually freeze though. You (I) can connect via ssh, and see that what is happened is that the Xorg thread is using all CPU making keyboard, etc. un-responsive. ssh session seems to be full speed though. All I ever have to do is kill -s 09 Xorg (from another PC, ssh'ed into frozen machine) and system comes back. Interesting part is that when I re-open the OOo calc sheet, the recovery wizard comes up, and shows documents that I ~had~ closed that it must have thought was still open. I'm going to try and only access the menu items with keyboard shortcuts, instead of mouse clicks. I'm suspect that it is the original "click" on the menu item (not even enough time for 'release' of mouse) that is causing Xorg to loop, blocking other processes. B-) On Wednesday 03 October 2007 3:38 am, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Wednesday 2007-10-03 at 09:13 +0100, Kevin Donnelly wrote:
OOo froze pretty consistently here, on 10.2 with the NVidia 100.14.11
drivers.
It did that with the original install version (2.0.4), and also with the 2.3.0 version - it happened only an hour ago this morning (foolish me - I thought I'd try it again, just to see), and required a hard reboot.
OOo has some 3D effects: try dissabling them. I guess they use some vdeo card gadgetry. Otherwise, try using the open driver instead of the closed source one.
Look at OOo / Tools / 3D view: use open GL, dithering, refresh, and specially "hardware acceleration".
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
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Basil Chupin wrote:
Martin Mielke wrote:
Hi Nate,
thanks for your reply. I also have a nVidia card both at home and at work with, apparently, the latest drivers... could it be the problem? Is this then related to OpenOffice or to nVidia??
Cheers, Martin
I've never had anything BUT nVidia cards; I am running 10.2 and I am not having a single problem with OO (of any flavour or version).
I never had any problems with OO on my ATI machine but it froze up just recently on my brand new nVidia machine. I wasn't sure at all what to attribute it to, as I had a bunch of things opened. But this is almost certainly it, as the mouse behaved very strangely (would only move to certain places on the screen and no clicks at all registered). I have version 100.14.09 of the nVidia driver. I just opened OO Calc and was looking at a very simple spreadsheet when my system took a dive. -- Jonathan Arnold (mailto:jdarnold@buddydog.org) Linux Brain Dump - Linux Notes, HOWTOs and Tutorials: http://www.linuxbraindump.org Daemon Dancing in the Dark, an Open OS weblog: http://freebsd.amazingdev.com/blog/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Jonathan Arnold wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
Martin Mielke wrote:
Hi Nate,
thanks for your reply. I also have a nVidia card both at home and at work with, apparently, the latest drivers... could it be the problem? Is this then related to OpenOffice or to nVidia??
Cheers, Martin
I've never had anything BUT nVidia cards; I am running 10.2 and I am not having a single problem with OO (of any flavour or version).
I never had any problems with OO on my ATI machine but it froze up just recently on my brand new nVidia machine. I wasn't sure at all what to attribute it to, as I had a bunch of things opened. But this is almost certainly it, as the mouse behaved very strangely (would only move to certain places on the screen and no clicks at all registered). I have version 100.14.09 of the nVidia driver. I just opened OO Calc and was looking at a very simple spreadsheet when my system took a dive.
Did you actually mean 100.14.09 or should this be 100.14.19? The latter is the latest driver for nVidia cards. Of course, simply referring to nVidia without naming the card being used won't help solve anything :-) . I am using the 6600 in one computer and the 5500 in another and OO is behaving perfectly. Cheers. -- Past experience, if not forgotten, is a guide for the future. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
2007/10/3, Basil Chupin <blchupin@tpg.com.au>:
Did you actually mean 100.14.09 or should this be 100.14.19? The latter is the latest driver for nVidia cards.
Of course, simply referring to nVidia without naming the card being used won't help solve anything :-) . I am using the 6600 in one computer and the 5500 in another and OO is behaving perfectly.
I'm using 100.14.19 with a FX 5200. No problems with OO. Regards. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Basil Chupin wrote:
Jonathan Arnold wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
Martin Mielke wrote:
Hi Nate,
thanks for your reply. I also have a nVidia card both at home and at work with, apparently, the latest drivers... could it be the problem? Is this then related to OpenOffice or to nVidia??
Cheers, Martin
I've never had anything BUT nVidia cards; I am running 10.2 and I am not having a single problem with OO (of any flavour or version).
I never had any problems with OO on my ATI machine but it froze up just recently on my brand new nVidia machine. I wasn't sure at all what to attribute it to, as I had a bunch of things opened. But this is almost certainly it, as the mouse behaved very strangely (would only move to certain places on the screen and no clicks at all registered). I have version 100.14.09 of the nVidia driver. I just opened OO Calc and was looking at a very simple spreadsheet when my system took a dive.
Did you actually mean 100.14.09 or should this be 100.14.19? The latter is the latest driver for nVidia cards.
Hmm, I have the .09 version for my 8600GT. I suppose I could try getting the latest version. Mind you, it doesn't happen that often. But twice over the last couple of weeks. -- Jonathan Arnold (mailto:jdarnold@buddydog.org) Linux Brain Dump - Linux Notes, HOWTOs and Tutorials: http://www.linuxbraindump.org Daemon Dancing in the Dark, an Open OS weblog: http://freebsd.amazingdev.com/blog/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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