[opensuse] Re: Beagle eats my CPU
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:00:51 -0300, Gabriel Stein wrote:
I can´t see a program which works perfectly
I'd have stopped there, personally. No program ever works *perfectly*, even "Hello World" could stand some improvements. :-) Jim -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I'd have stopped there, personally. No program ever works *perfectly*, even "Hello World" could stand some improvements. :-)
Sure.. but in some emails of this thread I read something about
another thread about beagle.
If this problems occurs, why not ask to community about packages in
openSUSE? My dream is find on openSUSE wiki a survey, like:
"Hey people, on last version of openSUSE we made a deploy of new
packages like x,y,z... what do you think about? There´s some
suggestions?"
Cheers.
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 6:34 PM, Jim Henderson
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:00:51 -0300, Gabriel Stein wrote:
I can´t see a program which works perfectly
I'd have stopped there, personally. No program ever works *perfectly*, even "Hello World" could stand some improvements. :-)
Jim
-- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-- /\ Gabriel Stein gabrielstein@gmail.com MSN: gabrielstein@hotmail.com Administrador de Redes - Network Administrator Linux User #223750 +55 51 9357 3886 Porto Alegre - RS - Brasil -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Gabriel Stein
"Hey people, on last version of openSUSE we made a deploy of new packages like x,y,z... what do you think about? There´s some suggestions?"
Cheers.
This is a very interesting concept. One could use an automated tool to gather each package list that had been installed, and if a-time was not disabled, it could even determine if those packages has been used since installation. (I know there are things on my machines that have never been used but were merely installed because the group they were included in was installed). Another approach might be a general purpose usage counting package that could wrap each launch of an application (would only apply to user launched applications, not daemons). Such a thing could live in KDE/Gnome and be user selectable, with submission being anonymous. As it is, packages tend to be included in the main DVD image based on someone's assessment of need/popularity, and they tend to get dropped only when someone finds a security flaw or the maintainer has died or occasionally something approaching a whim. -- ----------JSA--------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:07:05 -0300, Gabriel Stein wrote:
Sure.. but in some emails of this thread I read something about another thread about beagle.
If this problems occurs, why not ask to community about packages in openSUSE? My dream is find on openSUSE wiki a survey, like:
"Hey people, on last version of openSUSE we made a deploy of new packages like x,y,z... what do you think about? There´s some suggestions?"
I don't disagree at all that this would be a good idea. Or, put another (slightly more coherent way), I agree, that's a good idea. :-) Jim -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 10 June 2008 06:57:57 pm Jim Henderson wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:07:05 -0300, Gabriel Stein wrote:
Sure.. but in some emails of this thread I read something about another thread about beagle.
If this problems occurs, why not ask to community about packages in openSUSE? My dream is find on openSUSE wiki a survey, like:
"Hey people, on last version of openSUSE we made a deploy of new packages like x,y,z... what do you think about? There´s some suggestions?"
I don't disagree at all that this would be a good idea. Or, put another (slightly more coherent way), I agree, that's a good idea. :-)
Jim
It was here few times in the past that users were asked for opinion about changes and sometimes it was good, sometimes useless. You know the rules, length of a discussion is reverse proportional to subject complexity, and the quality of discussion is reverse proportional to its length :-) -- Regards, Rajko http://en.opensuse.org/Portal needs helpful hands. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
It was here few times in the past that users were asked for opinion about changes and sometimes it was good, sometimes useless.
You know the rules, length of a discussion is reverse proportional to subject complexity, and the quality of discussion is reverse proportional to its length :-)
Yes, I agree. But there´s thousands of ways to make this kind of
survey. More honestly, if you make a survey with engagement, you can
discover some special gaps in your distribution.
There´s a lot of work to make. But I think is so important to listen
the community. Distribution is nothing without community.
Cheers.
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Rajko M.
On Tuesday 10 June 2008 06:57:57 pm Jim Henderson wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:07:05 -0300, Gabriel Stein wrote:
Sure.. but in some emails of this thread I read something about another thread about beagle.
If this problems occurs, why not ask to community about packages in openSUSE? My dream is find on openSUSE wiki a survey, like:
"Hey people, on last version of openSUSE we made a deploy of new packages like x,y,z... what do you think about? There´s some suggestions?"
I don't disagree at all that this would be a good idea. Or, put another (slightly more coherent way), I agree, that's a good idea. :-)
Jim
It was here few times in the past that users were asked for opinion about changes and sometimes it was good, sometimes useless.
You know the rules, length of a discussion is reverse proportional to subject complexity, and the quality of discussion is reverse proportional to its length :-)
-- Regards, Rajko http://en.opensuse.org/Portal needs helpful hands. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-- /\ Gabriel Stein gabrielstein@gmail.com MSN: gabrielstein@hotmail.com Administrador de Redes - Network Administrator Linux User #223750 +55 51 9357 3886 Porto Alegre - RS - Brasil -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 10 June 2008 08:05:58 pm Gabriel Stein wrote:
Yes, I agree. But there´s thousands of ways to make this kind of survey. More honestly, if you make a survey with engagement, you can discover some special gaps in your distribution.
There´s a lot of work to make. But I think is so important to listen the community. Distribution is nothing without community.
I agree that there is a lot of work ahead in all areas of openSUSE, and gathering data is one of them. Installing latest Ubuntu to see what they offer, I noted this to think about: + popularity contest: package usage survey + short explanation on Synaptic start that software is organized in packages etc. + bug-buddy + hwdb-client hardware devices, logs, QA data collection There were some bugs too, but they don't belong here. BTW, probably more appropriate place for discussion like this would be opensuse-project mail list, instead of branching existing thread. It's hard to find discussion later on. -- Regards, Rajko http://en.opensuse.org/Portal needs helpful hands. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Yes. Nice work Rajko!
The opensuse project list is public? If not, please post a little
suggestion about surveys, its so important.
Cheers.
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:33 PM, Rajko M.
On Tuesday 10 June 2008 08:05:58 pm Gabriel Stein wrote:
Yes, I agree. But there´s thousands of ways to make this kind of survey. More honestly, if you make a survey with engagement, you can discover some special gaps in your distribution.
There´s a lot of work to make. But I think is so important to listen the community. Distribution is nothing without community.
I agree that there is a lot of work ahead in all areas of openSUSE, and gathering data is one of them.
Installing latest Ubuntu to see what they offer, I noted this to think about: + popularity contest: package usage survey + short explanation on Synaptic start that software is organized in packages etc. + bug-buddy + hwdb-client hardware devices, logs, QA data collection
There were some bugs too, but they don't belong here.
BTW, probably more appropriate place for discussion like this would be opensuse-project mail list, instead of branching existing thread. It's hard to find discussion later on.
-- Regards, Rajko http://en.opensuse.org/Portal needs helpful hands. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-- /\ Gabriel Stein gabrielstein@gmail.com MSN: gabrielstein@hotmail.com Administrador de Redes - Network Administrator Linux User #223750 +55 51 9357 3886 Porto Alegre - RS - Brasil -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 10 June 2008 08:39:59 pm Gabriel Stein wrote:
Yes. Nice work Rajko!
The opensuse project list is public?
It is public list, you can subscribe using links on: http://en.opensuse.org/Communicate
If not, please post a little suggestion about surveys, its so important.
I did that too :-) -- Regards, Rajko http://en.opensuse.org/Portal needs helpful hands. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Snoopy the only beagle its safe to have on your system, and he was written by Charles Schultz. CWSIV -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:42:43 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
It was here few times in the past that users were asked for opinion about changes and sometimes it was good, sometimes useless.
Well, I think as users we all have to keep in mind that *listening* doesn't always equate to getting what we want, either. Sometimes suggestions come in that conflict and could never be implemented together, so someone's going to feel they weren't "listened" to because the change wasn't made that they wanted. That doesn't mean nobody's listening, that just means that there were other factors in play.
You know the rules, length of a discussion is reverse proportional to subject complexity, and the quality of discussion is reverse proportional to its length
That's certainly true. Jim -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 10 June 2008 10:48:44 pm Jim Henderson wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:42:43 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
It was here few times in the past that users were asked for opinion about changes and sometimes it was good, sometimes useless.
Well, I think as users we all have to keep in mind that *listening* doesn't always equate to getting what we want, either. Sometimes suggestions come in that conflict and could never be implemented together, so someone's going to feel they weren't "listened" to because the change wasn't made that they wanted. That doesn't mean nobody's listening, that just means that there were other factors in play.
I'm fine with amount of listening that we get from developers. When proposal is backed with right arguments they really try to find time to implement it. For instance looking in zypper and YaST development lists I can see that they starting work on some stuff that was discussed long ago. The paragraph below is just explanation why discussion was "sometimes good, sometimes useless".
You know the rules, length of a discussion is reverse proportional to subject complexity, and the quality of discussion is reverse proportional to its length
That's certainly true.
Jim
-- Regards, Rajko http://en.opensuse.org/Portal needs helpful hands. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 23:24:27 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
I'm fine with amount of listening that we get from developers. When proposal is backed with right arguments they really try to find time to implement it. For instance looking in zypper and YaST development lists I can see that they starting work on some stuff that was discussed long ago.
Oh, I wasn't saying you *specifically* here, sorry if it came across that way. Over the years I have witnessed (and been on the receiving end of) "you don't listen" being equated to "you didn't implement my solution", and I just wanted to point out in general that those two are not equivalent, but are frequently conflated by people who don't get their suggestions implemented (though not always).
The paragraph below is just explanation why discussion was "sometimes good, sometimes useless".
That makes sense. Jim -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
participants (5)
-
Carl Spitzer
-
Gabriel Stein
-
Jim Henderson
-
John Andersen
-
Rajko M.