On 09/12/03 12:52 PM, John Andersen wrote:

On Thursday 03 December 2009 09:21:37 am John Andersen wrote:

Don't bother with this if you have a Radeon model less than 2000. It STILL broken. fglrx still detects xorg 7.1 when you are actually running 7.4, and fails to load.

Hopeless bunch of bozos those AMD guys.

That's because frglx does not support older cards like that anymore. ATI dropped support for them in frglx and said "use the opensource solutions such as radeon or radeonHD". Dean -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 09/12/03 3:11 PM, John Andersen wrote:

Actually, my Radeon 1400 card is on the supported list. Still it does not work and the Catalyst 9.3 package (the latest released for my card) does not build on 11.2.

The opensouce "Solutions" should be called fall-back solutions because the are FAR from satisfactory.

Never the less, ATI fglrx dumps a message saying Xorg 7.1 was detected and it requires 7.4. Yet Clearly Opensuse 11.2 is running 7.4.

Sorry John but your card is not supported according to the official release notes. http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/catalyst_911_linux.pdf Dean -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 21:16, John Andersen wrote:

On 12/3/2009 1:12 PM, Dean Hilkewich wrote:

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On 09/12/03 3:11 PM, John Andersen wrote:

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Actually, my Radeon 1400 card is on the supported list. Still it does not work and the Catalyst 9.3 package (the latest released for my card) does not build on 11.2.

The opensouce "Solutions" should be called fall-back solutions because the are FAR from satisfactory.

Never the less, ATI fglrx dumps a message saying Xorg 7.1 was detected and it requires 7.4. Yet Clearly Opensuse 11.2 is running 7.4.

Sorry John but your card is not supported according to the official release notes.

http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/catalyst_911_linux.pdf

Yup it is. See: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Legacy/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.4.2&product=2.4.2.3.9&lang=English

9.3 is the version supporting my card, however it won't build under 11.2. I just checked the page you listed and your card is definitely not on the list. Mine is (X1650) tho that is of no help to you. You card seems to be last supported by the 9.2 series.

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On 09/12/03 4:46 PM, John Andersen wrote:

No, you misread that list. That lists cards that have been MOVED out of this driver into the Legacy driver. (what ever the hell that one is).

If you scroll down to Documentation and check the release notes you find this pdf: https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/catalyst_9... Which lists my card (x1400) on page 3 as well as your card as being SUPPORTED.

So this driver SHOULD work, but unfortunately, none of the installation methods work because it does not recognize xorg 4.7. Even after hacking a few build scripts I can get it to at least START compiling, but then it craps out with stuff beyond my pay grade.

John, the 9.3 Catalysts will not compile on any kernel newer then 2.6.27 (or with some hacking up to 2.6.29) but will not compile for 2.6.31 kernels. You have two real choices here, run openSUSE 11.1 with the ATI blobs or run the opensource drivers on 11.2. Heck even on non-legacy ATI cards (2000+) support for 11.2 was just added in the 9.11 Catalysts. Dean -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 15:44 -0800, John Andersen wrote:

On Thursday 03 December 2009 03:19:23 pm Dean Hilkewich wrote:

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John, the 9.3 Catalysts will not compile on any kernel newer then 2.6.27 (or with some hacking up to 2.6.29) but will not compile for 2.6.31 kernels. You have two real choices here, run openSUSE 11.1 with the ATI blobs or run the opensource drivers on 11.2. Heck even on non-legacy ATI cards (2000+) support for 11.2 was just added in the 9.11 Catalysts.

Dean

I'm pretty much stuck with the open source radeon driver at this time which means no google earth, and totally unusable 3D effects in KDE.

I agree about google earth. I filed a bug at http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=559871 Nothing much has happened yet. Glad (in a left-handed sort of way) that the google earth issue is not mine alone. However, I have no trouble with the KDE effects via the radeonhd driver. I have a FireGL V3300, which IMHO is too new to have been dropped by ATI. Let me qualify 'no trouble': 1) there are a few artifacts sometimes. They go away rather fast and are not really a problem. 2) In some editing widgets (I think gnome-based) the cursor often goes away. I see this in evolution and firefox (e.g., editing a Trac wiki page). This is the main issue I have. Editing is a real PITA when you have no cursor part of the time. Aside from that, radeonhd in 11.2 has made great strides over that in 11.1. I wonder how much further it will go without docs. It is amazing it has gone so far as it has as a basically reverse-engineering effort. Be sure to upgrade your radeonhd from the one in the 11,2 distro. The distro one crashes the system when KDE effects are on. The updated one does not.

Its a toss up which is more unlikely, the opensource driver becoming capable or AMD fixing the 9.3 driver.

Luckily this is a Dell 9400 laptop, and I can swap the video out for something better supported, which I may well do.

Same here. I did this. But the card self-destructed just after the warranty. I am investigating which NVIDIA card to get next. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 09/12/03 3:11 PM, John Andersen wrote:

Actually, my Radeon 1400 card is on the supported list. Still it does not work and the Catalyst 9.3 package (the latest released for my card) does not build on 11.2.

The opensouce "Solutions" should be called fall-back solutions because the are FAR from satisfactory.

Never the less, ATI fglrx dumps a message saying Xorg 7.1 was detected and it requires 7.4. Yet Clearly Opensuse 11.2 is running 7.4.

I should probably clarify my response more, the only drivers that will compile with the newer kernel and xorg are the 9.11 drivers and they do not support your card. Your only option is to use the opensource solutions. Dean -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 12/03/2009 12:21 PM, John Andersen wrote:

On Thursday 03 December 2009 01:03:39 am Fred A. Miller wrote:

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If this has been posted already, then I missed it....SORRY! Earlier tonight, I added http://www2.ati.com/suse/11.2/ to the repositories on a client laptop I mentioned here about a week ago that has the ATI HD-3100 chipset. I installed the site that covers that series, rebooted into init 3, ran sax2, saved the new config., and then issued init 5. Acceleration and 3D now work! Thanks to whomever in the openSUSE community or Novel who got things moving at ATI!

Fred

Great news Fred. I hope it includes drivers for all the cards that used to work with the ATI because even tho some of them were on ATIs site, they wouldn't build under 11.2.

David Rankin will be happy to hear this if it works. I'm trying mine now.

Great! There's 2 "unified" drivers there, depending on the chipset. I'm not that familiar with ATI, so I don't know how many of the older cards are supported. Fred -- "A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." --George Washington -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 12/3/2009 9:39 AM, Clayton wrote:

One question... why run sax2? Are you aware that sax2 is being phased out, replaced by xrandr and the associated GUI apps in Gnome/KDE4? In theory, all you should have to do is start the GUI Display config app. The old xorg.conf config thing is going away - you can still use it for custom configs that the X autodetect does no get quite right, but.. in most cases is unnecessary with 11.2 now.

C

Why run Sax2? Because you have no xorg.conf for ATI to modify unless you do. As for xorg.conf going away, I think you mis-understand. Its not going away. Opensuse gens one up on the fly at boot time if none exists. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 12/03/2009 12:39 PM, Clayton wrote:

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If this has been posted already, then I missed it....SORRY! Earlier tonight, I added http://www2.ati.com/suse/11.2/ to the repositories on a client laptop I mentioned here about a week ago that has the ATI HD-3100 chipset. I installed the site that covers that series, rebooted into init 3, ran sax2, saved the new config., and then issued init 5. Acceleration and 3D now work! Thanks to whomever in the openSUSE community or Novel who got things moving at ATI!

Sadly that repo is very unlikely to cover the "legacy" ATI hardware like the x1200 I have. Annoying that they did the whole drop support for all cards thing. The open source driver is not good enough yet... I get loads of graphical artifacts on screen with my 1200 and the os driver.

One question... why run sax2? Are you aware that sax2 is being phased out, replaced by xrandr and the associated GUI apps in Gnome/KDE4? In theory, all you should have to do is start the GUI Display config app. The old xorg.conf config thing is going away - you can still use it for custom configs that the X autodetect does no get quite right, but.. in most cases is unnecessary with 11.2 now.

I'm well aware of all that, however, we're talking ATI here.....I'd rather take the extra step of running sax2 just to make certain all right before bring up the desktop. Fred -- "A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." --George Washington -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org