Re: [opensuse-offtopic] Re: [opensuse] URGENT!! (and don't be angry for the Subject of this mail)
Carl Hartung wrote:
On Mon January 28 2008 10:01:25 pm Stevens wrote:
Carl:
Understand that Al Gore, a corrupt American politician who is also dumb as a rock, will make tons of money off of people stupid enough to go along with his scam. There is a difference between pollution and global warming. Our 0.15% contribution to greenhouse gasses does nothing to warm the planet but does lots to foul our nest. Please keep those two things separate as you watch this video:
These people also produced a documentary asserting that breast implants were GOOD for women. What credentials! Then came "Against Nature," a documentary which aired on the BBC which then had to issue a public apology for showing it.
Get some SCIENCE not blather, Fred. And PLEASE post to the list!
Carl.....you need better glasses!! I didn't post this....someone else did. Fred -- Steve Ballmer is no more able for the art of persuasion than the Abrams tank is for delivering meals on wheels. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 28 January 2008 05:44:17 pm Fred A. Miller wrote:
Carl Hartung wrote:
On Mon January 28 2008 10:01:25 pm Stevens wrote:
Carl:
Understand that Al Gore, a corrupt American politician who is also dumb as a rock, will make tons of money off of people stupid enough to go along with his scam. There is a difference between pollution and global warming.
How absolutely pitifully true. Still, if something is actually accomplished, perhaps we can get a portion of it back with some tax...
Our 0.15% contribution to greenhouse gasses does nothing to warm the planet
that is as asinine are Gore's propaganda. Where on earth is there space for some truth?
but does lots to foul our nest. Please keep those two things separate
perhaps you want to wait for a pollution documentary alone before anything gets done about that? perhaps then you can just divert attention to the shortcomings of the messenger again?
as you watch this video:
These people also produced a documentary asserting that breast implants were GOOD for women. What credentials!
Mainstream media and government have had decades of opportunity to objectively present the true cost of various aspects of our technology. When "non professionals" try to undertake the task, there is much more roughness and error in the message. To just take the ridicule route or to say "it is not proven harmful yet" are extremely negative approaches, driven by anything but conservatism. There is nothing conservative if your doctor tells you that since you have no lung cancer, you could keep on smoking, why / how would it be conservative to use exactly the same reasoning and words about global warming?
Then came "Against Nature," a documentary which aired on the BBC which then had to issue a public apology for showing it.
Get some SCIENCE not blather, Fred. And PLEASE post to the list!
I absolutely agree. Yet it is a fact that the time scale for the real science re global warming is not exactly defined yet. And is is absolutely ludicrous that the likes of you refuse to err on the side of caution while the science actually goes about it's sciencing. Should YOU be wrong, a simple "sorry" would definitely not do in 5, 10 or 20 years. Should the likes of Gore be wrong, we could always "off with their head or their money or both", our grandchildren would actually get a little bigger share of "our" oil and they might even get a chance to visit some remote south pacific atoll before the sea covers it. wannabe a real conservative? dimitris <small clip...> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
kanenas@hawaii.rr.com a écrit :
I absolutely agree. Yet it is a fact that the time scale for the real science re global warming is not exactly defined yet
some remarks here (but may be we should go to the OT list?) * scientists have no evidence of why the climate warm nor how fast * but the evidence IS the climate warm :-( * who cares of why? the only thing we can do is act on *our* warming causes (we can't shut down volcanoes :-() so make as many efforts as you can, prepare for storms and pray if you beleive in god... jdd -- http://www.dodin.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue January 29 2008 03:19:33 am kanenas@hawaii.rr.com wrote:
Our 0.15% contribution to greenhouse gasses does nothing to warm the planet
that is as asinine are Gore's propaganda. Where on earth is there space for some truth?
Right here. Thanks for asking! :-) note: "AIT" = An Inconvenient Truth - - - - - 8< - - - - - The England and Wales High Court (Administrative Court) Decisions: Justice Burton: " I turn to AIT, the film. The following is clear: i) It is substantially founded upon scientific research and fact, albeit that the science is used, in the hands of a talented politician and communicator, to make a political statement and to support a political programme. ii) As Mr Chamberlain [note: the *Plaintiff*] persuasively sets out at paragraph 11 of his skeleton: “The Film advances four main scientific hypotheses, each of which is very well supported by research published in respected, peer-reviewed journals and accords with the latest conclusions of the IPCC: (1) global average temperatures have been rising significantly over the past half century and are likely to continue to rise (”climate change”); (2) climate change is mainly attributable to man-made emissions of carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide (”greenhouse gases”); (3) climate change will, if unchecked, have significant adverse effects on the world and its populations; and (4) there are measures which individuals and governments can take which will help to reduce climate change or mitigate its effects." - - - - - 8< - - - - - Now, a closer look at the opposition: - - - - - 8< - - - - - "Revealed: the man behind court attack on Gore film - Fuel and mining magnate backed UK challenge to An Inconvenient Truth" http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2190770,00.html - - - - - 8< - - - - - I do not understand your meaning, below. Be more precise and succinct. (I don't know you, or your motivations, but "muddying the waters" is a common tactic of the right. IOW, sowing confusion into the debate, like this: a) appearing to agree with both sides, b) leading up to clear conclusions then stating the opposite, c) incorporating vague and maladapted analogies, etc. Is this what you are engaging in?)
Mainstream media and government have had decades of opportunity to <blather snipped> reasoning and words about global warming?
Then came "Against Nature," a documentary which aired on the BBC which then had to issue a public apology for showing it.
Get some SCIENCE not blather, Fred. And PLEASE post to the list!
I absolutely agree. <more blather snipped>
Then leave it there!
wannabe a real conservative?
What is the scientific definition of "conservative"? I am engaged here in an exchange concerning established scientific method and facts vs. politically motivated and dishonest junk and pseudo science. Give me science, please, and stuff your politics! Carl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Where are all the apoplectic, anal retentive dickheads on this list that were ready to crucify me for posting off-topic material and why aren't they in here screaming about this obviously way off topic discussion? Hypocrite bastards. Fred -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hi, this thread stops now. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
participants (6)
-
Carl Hartung -
Fred A. Miller -
Henne Vogelsang -
jdd -
kanenas＠hawaii.rr.com -
Stevens