One thing, though - it has "internet radio" support but I'm not sure what this means in terms of formats. I usually listen to BBC Radio 1 using xmms on my PC, which is a RealAudio stream. However, Rhythmbox doesn't like this - it complains with one of the following errors:

It doesn't support Real, as there isn't a working Real plugin for GStreamer (this ticks me off too a bit as well John, I'm a BBC Radio 4/5/6 addict). However, one of the GStreamer team has started work on a pluginn wrapper to use Xine plugins in GStreamer. It's for the currently unstable 0.7 tree (which I may package at some point when they produce a version of gst-player that uses it - RB and Sound Juicer already do...), which will become 0.8 when it's deemed stable. It's in GStreamer Plugins version 0.7.5, marked as 'experimental', I don't know what it's status will be by the time 0.8 "goes gold" -- James Ogley, Webmaster, Rubber Turnip james@rubberturnip.org.uk http://www.rubberturnip.org.uk Jabber: riggwelter@myjabber.net Using Free Software since 1994, running GNU/Linux (SuSE 9.0) GNOME updates for SuSE: http://www.usr-local-bin.org

On Monday 01 March 2004 12.04, James Ogley wrote:

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One thing, though - it has "internet radio" support but I'm not sure what this means in terms of formats. I usually listen to BBC Radio 1 using xmms on my PC, which is a RealAudio stream. However, Rhythmbox doesn't like this - it complains with one of the following errors:

It doesn't support Real, as there isn't a working Real plugin for GStreamer (this ticks me off too a bit as well John, I'm a BBC Radio 4/5/6 addict).

However, one of the GStreamer team has started work on a pluginn wrapper to use Xine plugins in GStreamer. It's for the currently unstable 0.7 tree (which I may package at some point when they produce a version of gst-player that uses it - RB and Sound Juicer already do...), which will become 0.8 when it's deemed stable.

Rhythmbox has a xine backend. Why don't you just use that in the mean time?

Rhythmbox has a xine backend. Why don't you just use that in the mean time?

Well, I've generally taken the view that RB is primarily a GStreamer app, so I would build it with the GStreamer backend. Totem (included in SuSE) also has GStreamer and Xine backends, but it's primarily a Xine app, so I use Totem for listening to the BBC. Would people prefer to have RB packages built with the Xine backend rather than GStreamer? -- James Ogley, Webmaster, Rubber Turnip james@rubberturnip.org.uk http://www.rubberturnip.org.uk Jabber: riggwelter@myjabber.net Using Free Software since 1994, running GNU/Linux (SuSE 9.0) GNOME updates for SuSE: http://www.usr-local-bin.org

I did see an rtsp plugin listed by gst-inspect as part of ffmpeg, but this doesn't seem to work :-(

RTSP is just the transport/protocol used by Real Player, it doesn't do any decoding... -- James Ogley, Webmaster, Rubber Turnip james@rubberturnip.org.uk http://www.rubberturnip.org.uk Jabber: riggwelter@myjabber.net Using Free Software since 1994, running GNU/Linux (SuSE 9.0) GNOME updates for SuSE: http://www.usr-local-bin.org

Yes, when you compile rhythmbox you pass --enable-xine to the configure script to enable xine and by implication disable gstreamer Since then gstreamer has improved a lot, but IMHO xine is still better and more functional (unless you really need that pipelining stuff gstreamer does)

Okay, I've now added additional packages (still in the GStreamer section - with the main Rhythmbox packages) called rhythmbox-xine which are built with the Xine backend. Installing it will replace the rhythmbox package, but it's named differently so that users using APT won't get confused by it suddenly switching to the Xine backend when they upgrade. Yes, I know the 'GStreamer' section is horribly misnamed now, at some point, I'll make it simply 'Multimedia', but I can't be bothered right now :) -- James Ogley, Webmaster, Rubber Turnip james@rubberturnip.org.uk http://www.rubberturnip.org.uk Jabber: riggwelter@myjabber.net Using Free Software since 1994, running GNU/Linux (SuSE 9.0) GNOME updates for SuSE: http://www.usr-local-bin.org