Mike McMullin wrote:

On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 12:14 -0400, James Knott wrote:

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http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/16017.html

Barfed out in Netscape 7.1. Page with side menus and no content. :(

Works fine with Mozilla 1.7 and Konqueror.

Randall R Schulz wrote:

James,

On Wednesday 21 September 2005 09:14, James Knott wrote:

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http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/16017.html

Amazon.com is selling SuSE Linux 10.0 for 10% off list (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000BD1R8U) and if you're an Amazon Prime customer, 2nd-day shipping is free and overnight is $3.99 (less, by a couple of bucks, than the amount of the 10% discount).

That's Amazon in the U.S. Amazon Canada doesn't even list 9.3 yet.

Randall R Schulz wrote:

James,

On Thursday 22 September 2005 05:05, James Knott wrote:

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Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Amazon.com is selling SuSE Linux 10.0 for 10% off list (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000BD1R8U) and if you're an Amazon Prime customer, 2nd-day shipping is free and overnight is $3.99 (less, by a couple of bucks, than the amount of the 10% discount). That's Amazon in the U.S. Amazon Canada doesn't even list 9.3 yet.

Get a friend in the U.S. to buy it for you and hand it across the border...

And the costs keep mounting. I'd have to drive about 70 miles, just to get to the border. Nearest friend in the U.S. is hundreds of miles further in. All this to save what, $6???

Nick Zentena wrote:

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Amazon.com is selling SuSE Linux 10.0 for 10% off list (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000BD1R8U) and if you're an Amazon Prime customer, 2nd-day shipping is free and overnight is $3.99 (less, by a couple of bucks, than the amount of the 10% discount). That's Amazon in the U.S. Amazon Canada doesn't even list 9.3 yet. Get a friend in the U.S. to buy it for you and hand it across the border... And the costs keep mounting. I'd have to drive about 70 miles, just to get to the border. Nearest friend in the U.S. is hundreds of miles further in. All this to save what, $6???

Have Amazon US ship it to you. They won't charge PST/GST [Don't tell] and they ship quicker then Amazon Canada. They even ship Canada Post!

I see that it can even be added to a wedding registry. I should have mentioned this to my niece, who's getting married on Saturday. ;-) I just tried to place an order and found they don't ship software to Canada. They will ship books, DVDs etc.

Mike McMullin wrote:

As a FYI, I had one version shipped from the SuSE store in California some time back. It was shipped by FedEX and I had to pay Duty and GST. Camelot doesn't have that problem.

You should be paying GST etc., no matter which way it comes. Either you pay it directly or as part of the price to Camelot. How does the bottom line cost compare?

Mike McMullin wrote:

On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 16:42 -0400, James Knott wrote:

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Mike McMullin wrote:

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As a FYI, I had one version shipped from the SuSE store in California some time back. It was shipped by FedEX and I had to pay Duty and GST. Camelot doesn't have that problem. You should be paying GST etc., no matter which way it comes. Either you pay it directly or as part of the price to Camelot. How does the bottom line cost compare?

Cheaper to order from Camelot, there's no duty to pay the GST on top of. If they actually hit the stores in a decent amount of time, I'd pick one up in a bookstore over in the US and get it even cheaper.

If there's duty on the package, then Camelot or their supplier will pay it, when it enters the country. At Camelot it would be included in their price, not a separate item. The question remains, what is the total cost from Camelot vs importing it from the U.S. I bought 9.3 via Camelot and their price was much higher than the U.S. price, even after exchange. They also weren't able to ship, for several weeks after it shipped in the U.S..

James Knott wrote:

If there's duty on the package, then Camelot or their supplier will pay it, when it enters the country.

this is usually not a good idea, as custom-duties don't always open the packets, so one in a while one can escape duties :-) better chance is a friend ship it to you in a bulk envelope, without the real (unusefull) box. jdd -- pour m'écrire, aller sur: http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.net http://arvamip.free.fr

James,

On Wednesday 21 September 2005 09:14, James Knott wrote:

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http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/16017.html

Amazon.com is selling SuSE Linux 10.0 for 10% off list (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000BD1R8U) and if you're an Amazon Prime customer, 2nd-day shipping is free and overnight is $3.99 (less, by a couple of bucks, than the amount of the 10% discount).

Randall Schulz Randall, What's your projected ship date? My updated info looks like they aren't

On September Wednesday 21 2005 11:03 pm, Randall R Schulz wrote: planning to get it here til mid Nov. Tho, from past experience w/ them their shipdates seem to have a huge +/- variance. last time it was way earlier.. but time before that I had to threaten to keep hold of the laughing guy's throat before I got a sensible answer.. ( Which , of course, was: I have no freekin' clue.. ) Hence the overstatement of ship dates heavily on the plus side of expected real date, no doubt atol. -- j registered linux user #363029 Mornings: Evolution in action. Only the grumpy will survive.

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* jfweber@bellsouth.net [09-22-05 14:41]:

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What's your projected ship date?

I'm not Randall, but Amazon says around 11 Oct 2005. Note: with _free_ shipping, 7 to 10 days ground. if it is what you asks for, suse Linux 10.0 (box) is due october 6. It's already shipped to the box maker. for real shipment oversea, I don't know

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JF, On Thursday 22 September 2005 12:36, jfweber@bellsouth.net wrote:

On September Wednesday 21 2005 11:03 pm, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Amazon.com is selling SuSE Linux 10.0 for 10% off list (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000BD1R8U) and if you're an Amazon Prime customer, 2nd-day shipping is free and overnight is $3.99 (less, by a couple of bucks, than the amount of the 10% discount).

Randall Schulz

Randall, What's your projected ship date?

Order Date: September 16, 2005 Order #: ###-#######-####### Recipient: Randall Schulz Items not yet shipped: Delivery estimate: October 5, 2005 * 1 of: SuSE Linux 10.0

My updated info looks like they aren't planning to get it here til mid Nov. Tho, from past experience w/ them their shipdates seem to have a huge +/- variance. last time it was way earlier.. but time before that I had to threaten to keep hold of the laughing guy's throat before I got a sensible answer.. ( Which , of course, was: I have no freekin' clue.. )

That sounds quite pessimistic. Perhaps Amazon Prime members are given preference when there's a backlog or advance orders accepted, though I'd doubt it. Actually, now that you mention this, I noticed just the other day that the stated delivery date was the better part of a month off (late): Order Date: September 17, 2005 Order #: ###-#######-####### Recipient: Randall Schulz Items shipped on September 21, 2005: Delivery estimate: October 11, 2005 - October 19, 2005 1 package via UPS with tracking number ################## * 1 of: Linear Algebra This package arrived today. Given that it was shipped with second-day service, this seems like a completely erroneous estimate. Maybe that's what's happening with your order.

Hence the overstatement of ship dates heavily on the plus side of expected real date, no doubt atol.

My experience with Amazon, which is getting to be quite a bit, is that most of the time they're on-time or ahead of time w.r.t. these projections. On rare occasion, they've been late. This is mostly true when the order was accepted far in advance of the projected availability date. There was one item (neither book nor software) that was on back-order. I gave them two extensions on the delivery date and the called it quits. Randall Schulz

Glenn Holmer wrote:

On Wednesday 21 September 2005 11:14, James Knott wrote:

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http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/16017.html

Heh, I thought it was a bug when I changed shipping to FedEx and it was still free :)

If you are in South Africa shipping is certainly not free! Shipping costs (Fedex because UPS is only available for lower 48 states): Africa: $105.95!!!! Alaska & Hawai: Free Australia & New Zealand: Free Canada: Free Europe: Free Japan and Asia: Free Lower 48 states: Free Mexico and Caribbean: Free Middle East: Free South America: Free So I ask you: WTF? Maybe I forgot that although I'm only 45 minutes from Johannesburg International (one of the busiest airports in Africa) I'm living in a 3rd world / developing country and must possibly subsidize the shipping costs for the guy living in the Okavango delta where you need to hire a helicopter to make the delivery. Africa: The forgotten continent. [quote] Remember, this offer is only available to our most valued customers and is for a limited-time only. After 30 September, the price will still be $59.95 but shipping will be on you! [/quote] Good to know I'm not a "most valued customer" Enjoy your free shipping! Albert -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.4/109 - Release Date: 2005/09/21

On Thursday 22 September 2005 06:40, Alex Daniloff wrote:

Don't forget that Africa is the most prominent beggar in the world. Developed countries are sending billions of $$$ and humanitarian aid to your region. I'm partially subsidizing your live-hood with my taxes, although my solution would be simple - to let you sink of float on you own. If you're worthy of something you'll survive. If not, then God bless Darwin's theory. Try to correct this mistake of your fate by moving to the 1st world countries. Then shipping for you is going to be free also :)

To quote a bumper sticker I see on a car frequently parked in my neighborhood: "Too bad ignorance isn't painful." To "ignorance" I'd add "stupidity," "hatefulness" and "greed." Randall Schulz

On Thursday 22 September 2005 03:40, Alex Daniloff wrote:

Don't forget that Africa is the most prominent beggar in the world. Developed countries are sending billions of $$$ and humanitarian aid to your region. I'm partially subsidizing your live-hood with my taxes, although my solution would be simple - to let you sink of float on you own. If you're worthy of something you'll survive. If not, then God bless Darwin's theory. Try to correct this mistake of your fate by moving to the 1st world countries. Then shipping for you is going to be free also :)

On Thursday September 22 2005 05:09, Albert wrote:

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If you are in South Africa shipping is certainly not free!

Shipping costs (Fedex because UPS is only available for lower 48 states): Africa: $105.95!!!! Alaska & Hawai: Free Australia & New Zealand: Free Canada: Free Europe: Free Japan and Asia: Free Lower 48 states: Free Mexico and Caribbean: Free Middle East: Free South America: Free

So I ask you: WTF? Maybe I forgot that although I'm only 45 minutes from Johannesburg International (one of the busiest airports in Africa) I'm living in a 3rd world / developing country and must possibly subsidize the shipping costs for the guy living in the Okavango delta where you need to hire a helicopter to make the delivery. Africa: The forgotten continent.

[quote] Remember, this offer is only available to our most valued customers and is for a limited-time only. After 30 September, the price will still be $59.95 but shipping will be on you! [/quote]

Good to know I'm not a "most valued customer"

Enjoy your free shipping!

Albert

I think you'll find, if you look, that the developed countries have gotten far more billions of $$$ in resources out of Africa then they will ever give back. Poverty and wealth are just as much a function of initial conditions as ability and desire. Jerome

Glenn Holmer wrote:

On Wednesday 21 September 2005 11:14, James Knott wrote:

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http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/16017.html

Heh, I thought it was a bug when I changed shipping to FedEx and it was still free :)

I refuse to deal with UPS on imported itmes, as they have incredibly high charges for bringing stuff across the border. I've never had any problems with Fedex (perhaps because my cousin used to work there? <g>).